Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You don't think Eisenberg's casting was a "blow"?

I forgot about that one....because people wanted the Breaking Bad actor because he was bad and bald in a tv show. Jesse was also a problem, but I think people were optimistic because he was an Oscar nominated actor, but yeah...that was a small "blow" too.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

You don't think Eisenberg's casting was a "blow"?

That'd be beating a dead horse

 

[Khev]

That trailer 2 spoiled absolutely everything, I remember the damage control was like "oh you guys have no idea, you've seen nothing yet". Nah, it was pretty much the entire movie

Yep that trailer was terrible and definitely impacted the enjoyment of seeing the finished film for the first time. Poor Zack felt that he had to basically come out and straight up lie about there still being huge reveals that hadn't been spoiled. What reveals? Flash appearing in a confusing dream for 10 seconds? Superman's straight-from-the-world-famous-comics death?

 

[crows]

HP was dethroned it's second week by the debut of Captain America: The First Avenger. Cap's opening wasn't exactly huge for a superhero film ($65 million) but it was definitely bigger competition than God's Not Dead 2.

Cap took over? Damn. Gods not dead was a great movie

 

[DiFabio]

I was actually going to ask you when the turning point was for you when you went from "still hopeful" to "okay I don't like this." Were you hopeful even when watching it for the first time or had you seen enough to suggest that you wouldn't like it by that point and the theatrical experience simply confirmed that? Not a loaded question, I'm often curious as to where those "turning" points are for fans of certain types of films. I've obviously had a few of those moments myself with regard to certain SW films.

Well I had a full synopsis (knew everything that was going to happen, in detail, except for Superman's death and the funeral) and got to see key scenes like the Batman/Superman fight and Martha rescue pretty early on, about 5 months before the movie came out last Fall. Out of context and on paper, it seemed great. I actually was trying to reassure a few members on here (you know who you are) that it was going to be great via PM and phone. Boy was I naive.

The first time I saw the watermarked, black and white footage of the Justice League laptop surveillance footage something felt wrong but I shrugged it off as "oh, Aquaman looks cool, these are small, harmless cameos that I'm sure are going to work in the movie". Come time for the final product, I didn't expect to be treated to the scene at random when Bruce is trying to prepare for his fight against Superman. Before that insider info? I had doubts as soon as it was announced that Wonder Woman (in full costume) was going to be in this. I'm not going to go back and dig up my old posts, but I'm pretty sure I said something like "man, they should just focus telling a story about Superman and Batman, they're big enough for one movie as it is".

I was still optimistic going right into release though. Then those CGI leaves were falling in the logos, and kid Bruce was rising up the hole (in the cut I saw way back when, the Wayne murder/funeral/cave scenes weren't edited like they were in the film and there wasn't that shot of the kid rising, probably because it still required CGI bats). Then all the scenes felt disjointed, probably around the Africa/terrorist scene and Luthor/jolly rancher montage. I was pretty frustrated by the whole thing, then when you get to the third act and you have to endure a barrage of concepts (Superman leaving, Batman preparing, Martha hostage, Justice League set up, Wonder Woman stuff, etc. etc.) within the span of 5 minutes, I was just like "lets get this over with". I felt nothing during the Doomsday fight and was completely apathetic to Superman "dying".

 

[Khev]

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Obviously I had a different experience (literally since I didn't see so much beforehand) but still even though I disagree about the movie I can't say that your take doesn't make sense.

Out of curiosity do you always seek out spoilers before watching big movies? It seems like it'd be much harder to enjoy them that way and if memory serves you seem to know what's going to happen story-wise before opening day (especially for event films) more often than not.

 

[crows]

I forgot about that one....because people wanted the Breaking Bad actor because he was bad and bald in a tv show. Jesse was also a problem, but I think people were optimistic because he was an Oscar nominated actor, but yeah...that was a small "blow" too.

Is not just cuz he was bald... Not just that.
He was great in the x files as a bad guy and he wasn't bald there
He can be serious and scary but can be silly and goofy like in Malcolm in the middle

He can be both, he can be scary but if they wanted a joker/ riddler comedy relief he could do that too.

 

[JAWS]

They won't. It's such a pervasive mindset online. Especially among Millennials. "I have an opinion, and you MUST hear it! (Epecially if it's something I hate)!!" How else to explain all the weird narcissistic YouTube videos, too?

I used to think people just engaged in heated debates from the negative perspective because they cared. But not really. That's just a few. The rest just enjoy having a voice and get off on the snarkiness.

There's no other way to explain it. Or maybe I just don't get it because I'm an old guy who barely had enough time to discuss the things I do enjoy, much less waste it rambling about things I don't.

People think their opinion are far more important then they are... Positive or negative.

I have said it before and I will say it again.. If forums like this were a bunch of people agreeing with each other this would be boring place and no one would post. Discussion and disagreements on things like movies is fun. Nobodies feelings should get hurt just because someone you have never met shares a different opinion then you...

I have enjoyed this thread. It's been fun to read people opinions back and forth.. I just don;t get why people get upset over someone posting their negative views over and over again but are fine with people posting their positive views over and over again. As long as both have some well thought out opinions and it's not just "Your a fan boy" "Your a hater" type talk then I say post away Besides if I thin someone is trolling I just skip over their remarks...


You just better not skip over mine

 

[GasparZizou]

Well I had a full synopsis (knew everything that was going to happen, in detail, except for Superman's death and the funeral) and got to see key scenes like the Batman/Superman fight and Martha rescue pretty early on, about 5 months before the movie came out last Fall. Out of context and on paper, it seemed great. I actually was trying to reassure a few members on here (you know who you are) that it was going to be great via PM and phone. Boy was I naive.

The first time I saw the watermarked, black and white footage of the Justice League laptop surveillance footage something felt wrong but I shrugged it off as "oh, Aquaman looks cool, these are small, harmless cameos that I'm sure are going to work in the movie". Come time for the final product, I didn't expect to be treated to the scene at random when Bruce is trying to prepare for his fight against Superman. Before that insider info? I had doubts as soon as it was announced that Wonder Woman (in full costume) was going to be in this. I'm not going to go back and dig up my old posts, but I'm pretty sure I said something like "man, they should just focus telling a story about Superman and Batman, they're big enough for one movie as it is".

I was still optimistic going right into release though. Then those CGI leaves were falling in the logos, and kid Bruce was rising up the hole (in the cut I saw way back when, the Wayne murder/funeral/cave scenes weren't edited like they were in the film and there wasn't that shot of the kid rising, probably because it still required CGI bats). Then all the scenes felt disjointed, probably around the Africa/terrorist scene and Luthor/jolly rancher montage. I was pretty frustrated by the whole thing, then when you get to the third act and you have to endure a barrage of concepts (Superman leaving, Batman preparing, Martha hostage, Justice League set up, Wonder Woman stuff, etc. etc.) within the span of 5 minutes, I was just like "lets get this over with". I felt nothing during the Doomsday fight and was completely apathetic to Superman "dying".

I remember reading the first leaked plot before your version and now I'm thinking if it was an alternate script or something, because it has the same events in the same order, like Lois in Africa, Congress explosion, Wonder Woman investigating metahumans etc, and the same characters, down to the Senator, Kniazev, Doomsday, etc just happening in a bit differently.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Is not just cuz he was bald... Not just that.
He was great in the x files as a bad guy and he wasn't bald there
He can be serious and scary but can be silly and goofy like in Malcolm in the middle

He can be both, he can be scary but if they wanted a joker/ riddler comedy relief he could do that too.

Yeah, he's very talented. But let's be honest, a lot of people made the Cranston/Lex connection because a was a great "bald" villain in a very popular show

 

[crows]

People think their opinion are far more important then they are... Positive or negative.

I have said it before and I will say it again.. If forums like this a bunch of people agreeing with each other they would be boring and no one would post. Discussion and disagreements on things like movies is fun. Nobodies feeling should get hurt just because someone you have never shares a different opinion then you...

I have enjoyed this thread. It's been fun to read people opinions back and forth.. I just don;t get why people get upset over someone posting their negative views over and over again but are fine with people posting their positive views over and over again. As long as both have some well thought out opinions and it's not just "Your a fan boy" "Your a hater" type talk then I say post away Besides if I thin someone is trolling I just skip over their remarks...


You just better not skip over mine

Because having a safe space or a hug box is more comfortable than having a place where people have different opinions.
It's easier to deal with like minded people not confronting ur ideas. Specially if u are coming here to just pass the time or just have fun among friends,
Contradictory thoughts and conflict are the last thing some want to read when just coming here to pass the time.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Is not just cuz he was bald... Not just that.
He was great in the x files as a bad guy and he wasn't bald there.

I wouldn't classify him as a bad guy in that episode. He was more desperate than malicious. I agree though, Cranston was great in it. I haven't seen the episode since it aired but it left a helluva impression on me.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So there was a scene of Superman looking for Martha. It's a good thing they cut the scene, because again, they had to go dark with it, with Sups ignoring people asking for help There's just nothing positive about this mother******.

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

“I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.”

 

[crows]

Yeah, he's very talented. But let's be honest, a lot of people made the Cranston/Lex connection because a was a great "bald" villain in a very popular show

Well he does do look a lot like lex... U see him in a suit and that's lex.

Not like lex junior weird clone that resembles the riddler lol

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't think Eisenberg was a good modern Luthor, obviously, but he was a great villain.

If I had to choose between Eisenberg and Cranston now, I'd still pic Eisenberg. At least Eisenberg does a good job as an early mad scientist Luthor, and he's certainly frightening and perverse, but Cranston doesn't even work as a public figure/businessman/pinnacle of human prowess Luthor imo, he just doesn't look it.

If he had been Luthor he would have been just channeling Heisenberg light in a business suit, he would be creepy and modern Luthor can't afford to be creepy. It was just a meme passed around by normies who liked Breaking Bad.

Now, Kevin Spacey, now THAT's Luthor, I would pick him over both.

"Gods are selfish beings who fly around in little red capes and don't share their power with mankind. No, I don't want to be a *god*. I just want to bring fire to the people. And... I want my cut."

brb watching Superman Returns.

 

[DiFabio]

Out of curiosity do you always seek out spoilers before watching big movies? It seems like it'd be much harder to enjoy them that way and if memory serves you seem to know what's going to happen story-wise before opening day (especially for event films) more often than not.

Nope, I never really actively seek out spoilers. It kind of depends. Some movies I'll go in completely unaware, free of spoilers, others I'll know before hand.

I remember reading the first leaked plot before your version and now I'm thinking if it was an alternate script or something, because it has the same events in the same order, like Lois in Africa, Congress explosion, Wonder Woman investigating metahumans etc, and the same characters, down to the Senator, Kniazev, Doomsday, etc just happening in a bit differently.

Yeah. When I told you that stuff, did you think I was BSing? Like I was just looking back at some of those old PMs I sent you guys back in December and "Wally the leg amputee Wayne Employee" sounds so far fetched, like I was trolling. I remember a few people on here thinking I was full of **** and I don't blame them, some of that stuff is whacked when you read it out loud, especially the MAAARTHA?! bit. In the end, none of that stuff was worth keeping the NDA in my opinion.

Despite me not liking them, BvS and TDKR will always have a special place in my heart. They were very unique experiences as far as "the process" goes, so I'll never forget them. With TDKR they were filming in Pittsburgh and I got to be an extra. With BvS, I got all that insider info and footage from a good friend while working on the editing of the movie (albeit unfinished and watermarked to hell). I just wish I got to be a part of the movies that "mattered" to me like Batman '89 or the Dark Knight or something instead of these disappointments. It's a weird feeling to go from seeing Bane fight Batman on some steps at Carnegie Hall or "oh man, I just saw footage of BATMAN and SUPERMAN beat the **** out of each other before the public has seen it!" to see it all play out in the final product and feel bummed about it.

I remember Rorywan posting something about having a bias when you're "a part" of one of these things. I think he mentioned having one for Man of Steel. Boy did I have a "it's gonna be great" bias until opening day. It's such a strange feeling to go from hype to "what the **** did I just watch".

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah. When I told you that stuff, did you think I was BSing? Like I was just looking back at some of those old PMs I sent you guys back in December and "Wally the leg amputee Wayne Employee" sounds so far fetched, like I was trolling. I remember a few people on here thinking I was full of **** and I don't blame them, some of that stuff is whacked when you read it out loud, especially the MAAARTHA?! bit. In the end, none of that stuff was worth keeping the NDA in my opinion.

Despite me not liking them, BvS and TDKR will always have a special place in my heart. They were very unique experiences as far as "the process" goes, so I'll never forget them. With TDKR they were filming in Pittsburgh and I got to be an extra. With BvS, I got all that insider info and footage from a good friend while working on the editing of the movie (albeit unfinished and watermarked to hell). I just wish I got to be a part of the movies that "mattered" to me like Batman '89 or the Dark Knight or something instead of these disappointments. It's a weird feeling to go from seeing Bane fight Batman on some steps at Carnegie Hall or "oh man, I just saw footage of BATMAN and SUPERMAN beat the **** out of each other before the public has seen it!" to see it in the final product and feel bummed about it.

I remember Rorywan posting something about having a bias when you're "a part" of one of these things. I think he mentioned having one for Man of Steel. Boy I had one until opening day. It's such a strange feeling to go from hype to "what the **** did I just watch".

No, actually, I think I took your version over the old one right away, it sounded more grounded overall as a project, the other one sounded like just ideas flying around, plus I didn't think you'd lie about that stuff, plus, every new "rumor" seemed to fit your description like a glove.... And I loved the Martha thing since I first read it. But now I'm wondering if the other one was an alternative script or something.

Yeah, it was almost like an ARG, a big ass collective experience, it was a cool ride. Fortunately for me I ended up on the other side, liking it.

 

[Khev]

It's a weird feeling to go from seeing Bane fight Batman on some steps at Carnegie Hall

That's pretty cool. Were you one of the cops or Bane's criminal army then?

I could have gotten inside info on The Force Awakens from that one acquaintance I mentioned who did the on-set catering but I just had to see it spoiler-free in the cinema. Only movie I've ever been in was 2000's Men of Honor which thankfully ended up being a pretty good flick. It was definitely a trip seeing the Fox logo and opening fanfare at the theater for a movie I knew I'd be appearing in.

I can't even imagine how cool it must have been for that one "Force for Change" contest winner who got to appear as an extra in Maz' cantina.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Nope, I never really actively seek out spoilers. It kind of depends. Some movies I'll go in completely unaware, free of spoilers, others I'll know before hand.





Yeah. When I told you that stuff, did you think I was BSing? Like I was just looking back at some of those old PMs I sent you guys back in December and "Wally the leg amputee Wayne Employee" sounds so far fetched, like I was trolling.[emoji38]I remember a few people on here thinking I was full of **** and I don't blame them, some of that stuff is whacked when you read it out loud, especially the MAAARTHA?! bit. In the end, none of that stuff was worth keeping the NDA in my opinion.

Despite me not liking them, BvS and TDKR will always have a special place in my heart.[emoji38]They were very unique experiences as far as "the process" goes, so I'll never forget them. With TDKR they were filming in Pittsburgh and I got to be an extra. With BvS, I got all that insider info and footage from a good friend while working on the editing of the movie (albeit unfinished and watermarked to hell). I just wish I got to be a part of the movies that "mattered" to me like Batman '89 or the Dark Knight or something instead of these disappointments. It's a weird feeling to go from seeing Bane fight Batman on some steps at Carnegie Hall or "oh man, I just saw footage of BATMAN and SUPERMAN beat the **** out of each other before the public has seen it!" to see it all play out in the final product and feel bummed about it.

I remember Rorywan posting something about having a bias when you're "a part" of one of these things. I think he mentioned having one for Man of Steel. Boy did I have a "it's gonna be great" bias until opening day. It's such a strange feeling to go from hype to "what the **** did I just watch".

I use to live in Pittsburgh several years ago. We might have met. They were referring to themselves as Hollywood East when I left and I think a Russell Crow movie was being filmed at the time. It's so funny when my wife and I recognize those bridges in movies like TDKR and Jack Reacher.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well he does do look a lot like lex... U see him in a suit and that's lex.

Not like lex junior weird clone that resembles the riddler lol

I liked Jesse's version, but I'd take Cranston over Jeese after seeing the film.