Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[JAWS]

Meh. :

Oh come on I was just picking.

That is pretty good.

I wonder if the same person made one with people screaming and sirens blaring in the background at the end of AVENGERS when Cap says "We won." and Tony quips "Yay! Let's get some schwarma." Something tells me they probably didn't, though.

Ya know I thought about this before and I think I know what the difference is... MOS relished in the destruction. It was almost Destruction Porn... It went out of it's way to show what great destruction was going on... then take a hero like Superman who we are use to seeing save people and make him a part of that Destruction and you get funy scenes like this.

Avengers managed to stay away from that plus it showed people being saved. Also it seemed to go out of it's way to not show our hero's being partly responsible for the death. Although someone may have been killed in the train station after Thor and Hulk killed one of the space slugs... I can't remember... Of course there are people that died in that city but the film did not have a nuclear crater at the end of the fight were the hero's all hugged (or Kissed) either.

Watching Superman save people is one of the things that we love about the character. It's the hope that he gives. MOS took that away and made a disaster film instead.

But all is not lost. It gave us the best part of BvS... That opening scene with Wayne is Awesome and as good as anything in Comic book movies.

Hulk ate all those people. It'll be in the R rated version released for the 10th anniversary edition. By then most Marvel fans will be old enough to handle it.

 

[ironwez20]

Superman had Zod in space right? That's where the satellite was, why didn't he keep him there?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Oh come on I was just picking.





Ya know I thought about this before and I think I know what the difference is... MOS relished in the destruction. It was almost Destruction Porn... It went out of it's way to show what great destruction was going on... then take a hero like Superman who we are use to seeing save people and make him a part of that Destruction and you get funy scenes like this.

Avengers managed to stay away from that plus it showed people being saved. Also it seemed to go out of it's way to not show our hero's being partly responsible for the death. Although someone may have been killed in the train station after Thor and Hulk killed one of the space slugs... I can't remember... Of course there are people that died in that city but the film did not have a nuclear crater at the end of the fight were the hero's all hugged (or Kissed) either.

Watching Superman save people is one of the things that we love about the character. It's the hope that he gives. MOS took that away and made a disaster film instead.

That looks like an empty parking lot, so I doubt people died there. Also, he was shown saving people in the film...just not during the final fight against Zod. He did save the whole planet before the Zod fight started

 

[crows]

I Will never understand what their point was with that scene.... I just dont get it why that was done that way... im not bashing or hating but why would anyone just jump over something that you can stop from crashing? that truck wasn;t going to hurt him.... wasnt going to do anything to him, stopping it actually seems easier than jumping over it.

it wasnt even going in the air... the wheels were still in the ground. it just... does not make sense in any way

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Superman had Zod in space right? That's where the satellite was, why didn't he keep him there?

Because Zod took the fight back to earth.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I Will never understand what their point was with that scene.... I just dont get it why that was done that way... im not bashing or hating but why would anyone just jump over something that you can stop from crashing? that truck wasn;t going to hurt him.... wasnt going to do anything to him, stopping it actually seems easier than jumping over it.

it wasnt even going in the air... the wheels were still in the ground. it just... does not make sense in any way

True, he should have stopped that truck, just like he shouldn't have killed that terrorist in Africa in the beginning of BVS. I think that's just Snyder's lack of understanding of the character because he likes cool images like a big "cool" explosion behind superman or superman putting a human through a brick wall.

 

[chewblacca]

One of my favorite parts of BvS I that Snyder admitted to all of the destruction that took place in MOS. So many of the movie's fans argued that no one was hurt in all of that destruction. I was like, the city was leveled. There is no way someone did not get hurt.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

One of my favorite parts of BvS I that Snyder admitted to all of the destruction that took place in MOS. So many of the movie's fans argued that no one was hurt in all of that destruction. I was like, the city was leveled. There is no way no one got hurt.

I think most of the movie fans argued that Superman wasn't the one who killed those people....which is what the MOS haters claimed, saying that Hopeman killed thousands...even when he was fighting Zod, and that's not the case.

 

[e30ernest]

So many of the movie's fans argued that no one was hurt in all of that destruction.

There were actually people who believed that?

 

[chewblacca]

Oh yeah. I remember going back and forth with a few people, Irishjedi too. Although I will admit that Irish said that Superman was still new and did not know what he was doing.

 

[karamazov80]

I hadn't watched that scene (or the unedited version of it, anyway) since watching it in the theaters. CG is worse than I remembered.

 

[crows]

True, he should have stopped that truck, just like he shouldn't have killed that terrorist in Africa in the beginning of BVS. I think that's just Snyder's lack of understanding of the character because he likes cool images like a big "cool" explosion behind superman or superman putting a human through a brick wall.

I know it is a small scene and I am sure someone will try to give reasons from the character's point of view or motivation for that action,

But as a writing standpoint, wtf was going trough their minds? Im sure there can be 100 reasonings by fans of "Why the character of Superman would make a choice like that"

But im wondering from a writing and directing point, what made them think of doing that, because it just makes no sense

 

[IrishJedi]

Ya know I thought about this before and I think I know what the difference is... MOS relished in the destruction. It was almost Destruction Porn... It went out of it's way to show what great destruction was going on.

Yeah, it did. But there was a reason for that. If you see it as "destruction porn" in a way that is glorifying that or saying "isn't all of this devastation awesome?" then you're misinterpreting it. The point is to show that if 2 super-powered beings like this are throwing down in the middle of a major city, then it's most definitely NOT a good thing. It wouldn't just be guys tossing each other into billboards... there would be some real devastation. It's also a bit of a nod to what WATCHMEN, MARVELMAN (or MIRACLEMAN) and KINGDOM COME established so well, which is what would really happen if "metahumans" were real and had brawls among us. It would never be a good thing, even if the good guy wins... because there would be casualties. That's not meant to be taken lightly or seen as "cool" at all.

That said...

One of my favorite parts of BvS I that Snyder admitted to all of the destruction that took place in MOS. So many of the movie's fans argued that no one was hurt in all of that destruction. I was like, the city was leveled. There is no way someone did not get hurt.

My position then is the same as it is now: Superman indeed goofed by not doing everything he could to get the fight out of Metropolis. But people are still over-the-top in blaming him for all of that. At the end of the day, all he was trying to do was stop Zod, who he knew was going to kill as many people as he could and likely even the entire world unless Superman stopped him. Sure, maybe the sequence could have used a quick shot of Superman saving a few people from a Starbucks or something. But it would not have changed the point much. Afterall, the thing that made him have to snap Zod's neck (which also throws some people into fantrums) is that he did it to save a family.

That entire sequence isn't meant to be an out-and-out victory. It's also meant to show the costs of a world that has people with powers like this fighting each other.

Also, it's interesting that many people always wanted to see something more like the DC Animated films. Well, the Superman vs Zod fight in MOS is very much like the one in the SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY animated movie (and various episodes of SUPERMAN: TAS and JUSTICE LEAGUE: UNLIMITED). In those, Superman and villains throw each other throw buildings in Metropolis all the time. There is tons of destruction (though you never overtly see people dying... just like in MOS). It's same damned thing. In fact, Zack used a lot of that as the template for the MOS fight because he figured that's what people wanted to see and he also wanted to establish how high the stakes are in super-fights like this.

Can't win for losing, though. Oh well.

 

[crows]

was this ever in the animated films?

 

[IrishJedi]

I no idea. I also don't know what it has to do with what we were discussing.

 

[crows]

i never had a problem with all the destruction of their last fight because, well yeah, thats what would happen if two beings like that would fight each other. that would be exactly what would happen in a Dragon Ball Z situation as well.

But that gas truck scene... i just dont get it. or when Superman throws Zod against buildings... one thing is if Zod is destroying everything but you would think superman wouldn't want to throw zod into buildings in the hopes that there are no people in them...

 

[EVILFACE]

And still crap.

Never read the book, never saw the animated movie, 100% chance of not seeing the new movie as well.

 

[fosing]

was this ever in the animated films?

 

[crows]

 

[e30ernest]

Yeah, it did. But there was a reason for that. If you see it as "destruction porn" in a way that is glorifying that or saying "isn't all of this devastation awesome?" then you're misinterpreting it. The point is to show that if 2 super-powered beings like this are throwing down in the middle of a major city, then it's most definitely NOT a good thing.

This is one of the sources of my biggest gripe about BvS. Don't get me wrong, to me MoS was OK (not good, not bad, just ok). I accept that this was the world created by Snyder and Co and I agree that when 2 super-beings with almost unlimited strength decided to go head to head, it's the little beings (humans) that will suffer.

Because of what happened at MoS, the divisiveness it spawned and the bombing of the Capitol, I fail to feel anything about his untimely demise via Doomsday. I think if it happened in this world, the majority of people will be glad he is gone. Before him, super beings were not in the forefront. To the common observer, he probably brought all of this destruction on the Earth. His death was a good thing, so I don't see that many mourners would come to his funeral.

I just wished that he was established first as a real hero, one that the world in that film would accept and love, that way his death would bear more weight. I felt that part of the story was not given enough due by the writers. They should have just left it out.

I think it would have been more interesting if Batman got to plunge that spear into him "killing" him in the process. Then with Superman's "dying" words, he'd ask Batman to save his mother.