Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[DiFabio]

Not just Joker.

Bugged the hell out of me that key secondary characters like Coleman Reese and Ramirez were conveniently dropped from the story by Rises even though they had huge question marks over their head. I still don't see how that cover up and lie worked for 8 years, it's ridiculous even for a superhero movie. Gordon even says that you just can't sweep something like that up in TDK, and yet he manages it. It just hit me and I'm remembering now that Gordon's family moved to Ohio.

That's one thing I thought was interesting about Batman v Superman. Minor MoS characters like the Jenny girl from the Daily Planet, the "he's kinda halt girl", and the general, and soldier guy all returned to reprise their roles for BvS.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

To be fair, TDK ended the unnecessary Coleman Reese subplot by having Bruce save his life when they both look at each other for a moment like, "Yeah, I just saved your worthless ass, so you owe me." And Ramirez basically committed a crime by working for the mob so she was either arrested or she avoided jail time since only Gordon knew about her involvement and she stayed quiet because she had nothing to gain from telling people it was Dent who kidnapped Gordon's family.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

That's one thing I thought was interesting about Batman v Superman. Minor MoS characters like the Jenny girl from the Daily Planet, the "he's kinda halt girl", and the general, and soldier guy all returned to reprise their roles for BvS.

They probably wanted to remind the audience that there were actual survivors from the events of MoS.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

They probably wanted to remind the audience that there were actual survivors from the events of MoS.

The only survivors What happened to Lois co worker, you know the one that asked the girl out on a date at the end of MOS and she was like, "screw you...you have no chance with me", even though he risked his life and didn't abandon her when she was about to die.

 

[cmiller99]

Of course, if you build a movie around the Joker but take the Joker out of the movie, the movie won't work. But if Joker wasn't there the movie would be fundamentally different, so you can't really evaluate a movie that way.

The whole 'take the joker out' argument is pathetic. Never understand that.

It's like 'take Red out of shawshank redemption'. Nonsensical.

Yeah... whenever someone brings that up I can't help but laugh.

You can't just take a primary antagonist out of a film and expect it to hold up...

 

[DiFabio]

To be fair, TDK ended the unnecessary Coleman Reese subplot by having Bruce save his life when they both look at each other for a moment like, "Yeah, I just saved your worthless ass, so you owe me." And Ramirez basically committed a crime by working for the mob so she was either arrested or she avoided jail time since only Gordon knew about her involvement and she stayed quiet because she had nothing to gain from telling people it was Dent who kidnapped Gordon's family.

It's 2016 bro, it's BvS time. It's not 2012 anymore. Don't make me do this anymore, that's the old me that died a long time ago!

Spoiler

The thing about Coleman Reese though is, within the next 48 hours Batman is a wanted man wanted for multiple accounts of murder. Everyone in the city knows that this weasel named Coleman Reese knows who he is after he went on live television bragging about how he knew who Batman was before being protected by the cops when the Joker makes his threat. To the city and GCPD, Batman killed cops and their beloved district attorney, surely an investigation would be underway with Reese being brought in for questioning.

And that's a lot of assumptions to make about Rameriez. She got pistol whipped by Dent, how do we know she didn't want to blab (intentionally or by accident)? Maybe she felt guilty about Gordon's family getting abducted because of her? Maybe she wanted to turn herself in? Did Gordon get to her first? There's drama there that is just skipped right over.

You also had Mike Engel there. He was anti-Batman throughout the movie, but then at the end, Batman saves him and he witnessed it first hand. How did Batman kidnap and kill Harvey Dent during that time when he was busy saving hostages and tieing up the SWAT team? The story just skims over the fact that Batman and Gordon think Dent is one of the Joker's hostages . . . until Dent calls Gordon on his phone (in front of his SWAT team snipers no less) telling him he has his family. If people did a little digging, it would show Batman couldn't have possibly kidnapped Gordon's family and I guess Dent.


I guess that's really the Dark Knight's problem with incoherent loose ends (Joker being the biggest), but I think the expectation was that these things would be smoothed over for the third movie instead of this obnoxious TIME JUMP that introduces all new problems.

Like everyone has already stated, the "what if" sequel if Ledger never died would probably have been a lot better than the obligatory sequel they made instead 4 years later.

 

[DiFabio]

The only survivors What happened to Lois co worker, you know the one that asked the girl out on a date at the end of MOS and she was like, "screw you...you have no chance with me", even though he risked his life and didn't abandon her when she was about to die.

Oh yeah, the bald dude. Jenny should have banged him, he owed her one. What a *****.

 

[pturtle]

Not just Joker.

Bugged the hell out of me that key secondary characters like Coleman Reese and Ramirez were conveniently dropped from the story by Rises even though they had huge question marks over their head. I still don't see how that cover up and lie worked for 8 years, it's ridiculous even for a superhero movie. Gordon even says that you just can't sweep something like that up in TDK, and yet he manages it. It just hit me and I'm remembering now that Gordon's family moved to Ohio.

That's one thing I thought was interesting about Batman v Superman. Minor MoS characters like the Jenny girl from the Daily Planet, the "he's kinda halt girl", and the general, and soldier guy all returned to reprise their roles for BvS.

Coleman's story I thought ended fine. Ramires obviously wouldn't talk because she'd only get herself in trouble so it make sense not seeing her again, but to be honest TDKR takes place 8 years after TDK, we can just make our on assumptions on what happened with some of the minor loose ends from TDK.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's 2016 bro, it's BvS time. It's not 2012 anymore. Don't make me do this anymore, that's the old me that died a long time ago!

It was BVS time 5 weeks ago, but no one cares about it anymore.

The thing about Coleman Reese though is, within the next 48 hours Batman is a wanted man wanted for multiple accounts of murder. Everyone in the city knows that this weasel named Coleman Reese knows who he is after he went on live television bragging about how he knew who Batman was before being protected by the cops when the Joker makes his threat. To the city and GCPD, Batman killed cops and their beloved district attorney, surely an investigation would be underway with Reese being brought in for questioning.

Well, like I said, Bruce saved his life so that changed Reese's mind I guess, so that ended the subplot. His motivation was money...it's all he wanted, and even then, Lucius Fox told him to go ahead and tell people, because no one was going to believe that one of the richest men in the world fights criminals at night. Even if there was an investigation, what does he gain from telling them the truth? If somehow the police can prove Bruce Wayne is Batman, which is unlikely, Bruce goes to jail and Reese doesn't get a dime. He was probably getting paid by the tv show to talk, which is why he was on Mike Engel's show.

And that's a lot of assumptions to make about Rameriez. She got pistol whipped by Dent, how do we know she didn't want to blab (intentionally or by accident)? Maybe she felt guilty about Gordon's family getting abducted because of her? Maybe she wanted to turn herself in? Did Gordon get to her first? There's drama there that is just skipped right over.

Maybe, she wasn't a bad person. The mob got to her because of her mother's medical bills or something. Gordon and Ramirez seemed to have a good relationship so maybe she made a deal with him...who knows? Those are flaws in the TDK, not TDKR but regardless, she should have been killed in TDK instead to avoid any unanswered questions, but they didn't because she was a woman....probably.

You also had Mike Engel there. He was anti-Batman throughout the movie, but then at the end, Batman saves him and he witnessed it first hand. How did Batman kidnap and kill Harvey Dent during that time when he was busy saving hostages and tieing up the SWAT team? The story just skims over the fact that Batman and Gordon think Dent is one of the Joker's hostages . . . until Dent calls Gordon on his phone (in front of his SWAT team snipers no less) telling him he has his family. If people did a little digging, it would show Batman couldn't have possibly kidnapped Gordon's family and I guess Dent.

It's a good thing Columbo doesn't work in Gotham because they would all be ********. I guess Batman could have killed Dent after he escapes from the hospital, because enough time went by between the hospital explosion and the hostages on the boats. Batman wasn't just blamed for Dent's death, he also "killed" all of Dent's victims. That still leaves Gordon's family...but hey, it's a good thing that Gotham has the worst police detectives in the world. I mean, they left a detective in the interrogation room with a highly dangerous psychopath like the Joker and a bunch of broken glass, you know instead of watching the door from the outside so that Joker can't escape

I guess that's really the Dark Knight's problem with incoherent loose ends (Joker being the biggest), but I think the expectation was that these things would be smoothed over for the third movie instead of this obnoxious TIME JUMP that introduces all new problems.

Like everyone has already stated, the "what if" sequel if Ledger never died would probably have been a lot better than the obligatory sequel they made instead 4 years later.

I can't even imagine a third film with the Joker. Does he escape and finds out Bruce identity by going after Reese and torturing him?

 

[DiFabio]

I don't know, but just imagining a Joker court scene for his crimes in TDK would have been a hoot. Would have loved to have seen that and Arkham again.

As much as I love TDK, even I gotta admit that the ending with Dent dying and Batman taking the blame is heavy handed and kinda dumb. I love the message behind it, that Batman isn't a typical hero and is his own brand of justice as this grey knight, but man is the reasoning weak when you actually think it over. I get why Batman needs to take the blame and it is cool seeing him ride off as "the bad guy", but the reasoning for getting there is just ****ing whacked.

I highly doubt the Affleck Batman would have tried to take the blame for those murders. Could you imagine that? He wouldn't give a **** about Dent. The guy was scum and threatened a child's life.

 

[Khev]

If Batman is known for single-handedly extraditing men surrounded by armed guards on the other side of the world and bringing them back to Gotham AND was believed to have crossed over into full blown murder then I think that would have been reason enough for Reese to never say another word about knowing Batman's identity.

 

[jye4ever]

DiFabio TDKR lite is bringing back some awesome memories.

 

[pturtle]

Oh crap, I been so busy today I been skimming over messages I keep skipped Difabio's responses about not wanting to talk about Baleman

My bad man I finally just settled down and was able to read all the posts in this thread.


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[Khev]

DiFabio TDKR lite is bringing back some awesome memories.

Forget that, I want to know what karamazov thought of Man of Steel! Did you see it buddy? Thoughts?

 

[IrishJedi]

Baleman

 

[pturtle]

What's wrong with Baleman? Isn't that the name this thread's been using?


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[IrishJedi]

What's wrong with Baleman? Isn't that the name this thread's been using?

No. Just you kids who like the cute mashup names that give people like me headaches from all the eyerolls.

 

[crows]

No. Just you kids who like the cute mashup names that give people like me headaches from all the eyerolls.

relax Iridi!

 

[DiFabio]

I just say "Keaton Batman" or "the Bale Batman".

Unfortunately I have used Batfleck. There's something catchy about it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Oh crap, I been so busy today I been skimming over messages I keep skipped Difabio's responses about not wanting to talk about Baleman

My bad man I finally just settled down and was able to read all the posts in this thread.


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Don't call him Baleman! You will upset my grandpa, Khev.