Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[crows]

if you knew batman kills, it would be pretty easy to set him up to kill innocents.

i mean, look at the ending of dark knight with the people in the building dressed as clowns. the cops were ready to shoot everyone, This batman would have no problem with the clowns getting shot and he himself would have killed a couple of those as well (and then everyone would found out they were innocent)

imagine being a villain in this universe and either kidnap or hire random innocent people to accompany one criminal and then batman taking out everyone.

Obviously this batman doesnt care about the police following him but still,

 

[GasparZizou]

Really, I liked that little squirmy creepy *******.

I liked his Silicon Valley evil while playing basketball scene.

No no, me too, loved it.

It's the thought of a perfect Luthor that makes me cry inside, so close yet so far.

if you knew batman kills, it would be pretty easy to set him up to kill innocents.

i mean, look at the ending of dark knight with the people in the building dressed as clowns. the cops were ready to shoot everyone, This batman would have no problem with the clowns getting shot and he himself would have killed a couple of those as well (and then everyone would found out they were innocent)

imagine being a villain in this universe and either kidnap or hire random innocent people to accompany one criminal and then batman taking out everyone.

Obviously this batman doesnt care about the police following him but still,

He's not killing indiscriminately, he's killing war criminals, mercenaries, and if you notice, he only pulls the trigger after they shot first, and he's been tracking these people for a long time, he knows who they are. You'll also notice he didn't kill the defenseless human trafficker,

 

[crows]

im not saying he would shoot a helpless old lady in the street or something like that,

BUT tricking him into killing the wrong person wouldn't be that hard, specially for someone like penguin or Riddler, have the old lady dress up as a mercenary and have her be at the wrong place at the wrong time, have a villain always wear the same outift and then put an innocent person in that outfit as bait.
Im just saying this batman could be tricked that way. it gets tricky when batman is killing a lot of people. even a dirty cop working for the villain would be bad to kill if there was no proof the cop was dirty. Batman would be seen as a cop killer.

Its like imagine the dirty cop from batman begins, the chubby cop, imagine if batman kills him because the cop was shooting at him but then there is no real proof the cop was bad. the entire city would hate batman.

This just reminds me of how Blade kills that human guy in blade 3 that had fake fangs and blade thought it was a vampire and then the entire fbi was after blade

 

[GasparZizou]

That's what I'm saying, he knew that crew, if someone were to put a trap there, I'd like to think Batman would notice. Batman is even familiar with the usual goons of his villains.

Not to mention he has his detective vision from the games

 

[crows]

batman has been tricked in the cartoon before. in the Burton movies he was tricked a couple of times, Even the Penguin made it look like he killed the ice princess lol.

Im just saying, it has happened, batman getting tricked in general has happened.

 

[GasparZizou]

I see it, I'm just saying it wouldn't be that easy if you ask me.

Usually Batman's on top surveying and doing recon before coming down and whooping ass, aaaaand TAS Batman wasn't very bright well, he had his lapses.

 

[DiFabio]

Batman is a dumb **** in all the movies when you think about it. World's greatest detective my ass.

 

[Solidus]

Batman is a dumb **** in all the movies when you think about it. World's greatest detective my ass.

"Where are the other drugs going?!"
"Where is she?"
"Where's the trigger?! Where is it? You wouldn't give it to an ordinary citizen! Where is it?!"

 

[a-dev]

I guess the movie's just too smart for you, buddy. No shame in that. You're not the only one.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yhsdf

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Quite possibly. In any event I'm pumped for the Affleck Batflick.

I might be in the minority in ranking BvS over CW, but I can't imagine having these type of in-depth discussions about CW.

It's a vocal minority.

No no, me too, loved it.

It's the thought of a perfect Luthor that makes me cry inside, so close yet so far.


He's not killing indiscriminately, he's killing war criminals, mercenaries, and if you notice, he only pulls the trigger after they shot first, and he's been tracking these people for a long time, he knows who they are. You'll also notice he didn't kill the defenseless human trafficker,

Nnnnnngh. They sort of establish it in the movie but I've always wondered about vigilantes who kill criminals mistakingly murdering a cop or federal agent who is working under deep cover.

"Where are the other drugs going?!"
"Where is she?"
"Where's the trigger?! Where is it? You wouldn't give it to an ordinary citizen! Where is it?!"

That's not totally fair. Detectives ask questions. He might be the world's worst interrogator in the movies though.

 

[Jameson Rook]

"Where are the other drugs going?!"
"Where is she?"
"Where's the trigger?! Where is it? You wouldn't give it to an ordinary citizen! Where is it?!"

"Pishy dishsy pasema pasta bra"

Bruce: What does that mean?

Miracle chiropractor: Seriously? It took you a month to ask that?

 

[jye4ever]

 

[Darth Snoopy]

@ the last few pages of the "Martha" debate.

 

[crows]

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[chewblacca]

Yeah, Batman's detective skills are surely lacking in these films. He didn't even figure out what Scarecrows fear gas was made of in Batman Begins, Lucious Fox did. He did some by linking everyone's cell phone together. But in Dark Knight Rises he's pretty useless. In the 89 Batman he figured out Jokers gas that he was killing people with, and he figured out Penguins plan to kidnapp all of the rich people's children, but after that he's pretty useless too. To frame Batman all you really need is a guy in a bat suit doing something crazy. People now a days will believe almost anything they see, hear or read in the news.

 

[pturtle]

I love the no killing rule, it works for a classic Batman.

But murderbats also works here, because Terrio and Snyder sold it well imo. This Batman took a step in the wrong direction and fell off a cliff.


That's one of the things I'm ambivalent about, not that scene, that scene is perfect.

But Eisenberg himself. I can't fault him, because his performance for the character that was written for him is perfectly delivered, and he's an excellent villain.

BUT, I can't help but to think, had they gone with Joaquin Phoenix, bald, and a classic approach to Luthor, he would have been the absolute perfect Luthor in every sense of the character, piss jar, witch writing and all, and that, drives me crazy.

The dialogue, the psyche, everything about this character is 100% Luthor, except Eisenberg.

I think the character should have started out that way, with no killing rule, then drop it. I can't see how in the comics after repeatedly catching and bringing the same villains in to Arkham makes any sense. Joker in the comics has come back like what? 20 times at least? Same for Penguin, Riddler, Two Face, Freeze etc... It just doesn't make sense in my eyes to keep him that way.

I'm with you there!



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I agree that the no killing "rule" benefits the Joker relationship, but you really don't think Batman should have some sort of moral compass?

There's a difference between accidentally or indirectly killing someone while trying to do the right thing knowing that taking a life is not right, and killing people carelessly because you just don't care anymore.

That careless Batman can work briefly if he changes eventually and if that's the character arc they're going with, but it doesn't work as the standard Batman, imo. Because, killing is wrong and a crime, and that's something Gordon can't ignore. Not to mention, I don't think Bruce wants to cross the very line the people he hates cross carelessly

I think after a few years in the comics he should have become an executioner. Think about how many lives would have been saved had he murdered Joker in Detective Comics #1 or whatever. How many people did Burton's Joker kill after the first movie? Didn't seem to bother Keaton Bats one bit.

Plenty of righteous superheros kill without blinking an eye, Cap is definitely one of them. I'm not saying Batman has to be as ruthless as the Punisher, but in the movies and comics I never saw any real incentive to stop him from murdering his foes. For a character like Daredevil, that rule works much better because he's actually part of the law when he's not in costume, and killing, obviously goes against his religious beliefs.


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[LIBBY1957DOG]

just posted this in the neca thread but thought i repost the part possibly relevant to this thread here lol

on a slightly related note
i think the suit they came up with for this movie was the one hollywood were looking for all along ,i could see this with trunks and less pronounced texture working along side reeves superman back in the late 1970s early 1980s when the first attempted modern movie batman was touted
here's what the writer had to say about the batmans appearance back then ,seems zack wasn't the only one to see bats this way ,and this was the guy that "fixed" dickie donner's superman the movie lol

"I want The Batman's outfit to be truly frightening," Mankiewicz told Goldberg. "I hope we can do something with his eyes so he has a penetrating and mesmerizing gaze that will give him a Svengali look. Really, when you look at The Batman character, he's only one step removed from Charles Bronson in DEATH WISH." In 1983 this sounded rather extreme as the true darkening of the Batman character wasn't as far along then and didn't truly occur to the degree we recognize today until Frank Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS was published in 1986.

heres the full thing if anyones interested
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batm...tive-of-tom-mankiewicz-unfilmed-script-a21031

 

[jedijim3002]

https://youtu.be/pTuyfQ5CR4Q

 

[jedijim3002]

Why is it that every time I try to link a YouTube video it's broken?!!!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Did you use the "insert video" tab?

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