Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[crows]

When are you getting a SS tattoo?

who says i dont already have

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nice.

Here's mine, and the scene from the film the tattoo artist used as reference.

 

[Khev]

yes, i did
different director but the exact same explanation applies (Since the studio decided to go with the trailer company to edit the movie)

A bunch of scenes, a group of moments that dont make as much sense together but look cool.

No. Lots of scenes in SS prior to the big "moments" that allow the film to breathe.

 

[crows]

Nice.

Here's mine, and the scene from the film the tattoo artist used as reference.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

 

[kryptonianmutie]

it is my most hated

Can't watch MI2, all the others are great though.

MI2 is the one movie that I love to watch where I don't understand why people hate it. I can see why people don't like Batman Forever even though it's my second favorite live action Bat film.

 

[a-dev]

<<Bale Gif>>

 

[RIDDICK]

Here's an interesting theory on what went wrong with BvS. Not that I necessarily agree, but this guy probably knows more about filmmaking than I...

This film treats everything like an event, as if there was a lotta previously happend stuff of which the audience should know already (why I love this film despite its flaws). And there's enough of solid story and character study for it not to feel like a slow walk from one cinematic moment to another, so what he said in that regard is just nonsense, especially after using the most painfully draggin' and blatant "character development" scenes from the worst Marvel film as an example.

The only solid point he makes is that there's no distinction between Gotham and Metropolis.

 

[abake]

Here's an interesting theory on what went wrong with BvS. Not that I necessarily agree, but this guy probably knows more about filmmaking than I...

I really enjoyed BvS, but what he says makes a lot of sense. Nice analysis.

 

[chewblacca]

I get what he's saying there was no life to the movie just shots of stuff happening. Nothing to establish it anywhere, put that with some loud bombastic music and you have a loud headache.

 

[SuperJ300]

Here's an interesting theory on what went wrong with BvS. Not that I necessarily agree, but this guy probably knows more about filmmaking than I...

Spot on!!!!!

Snyders 300 movie was great, but that's it!

Like I've said many times he needs another director to tell the story, like he had Nolan to help him do MOS.

The Dark DC cinematic universe would work if they had the right director!!!

 

[Khev]

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about making a stylistic film of sequential "moments" especially if it's a comic book movie. Snyder's moments just so completely transcend everything else in his films that the discrepancy between those and the necessary buildup is greatly magnified. Picking on shots like Lois and the general meeting under the bridge while they are both silhouetted by the rain pouring outside is a bit silly. The guy must have hated every minute of Sin City then.

BvS had a good amount of "scenes," it's just that a number of them weren't that great. Rockpile dad, complaining mom, goofy bathtub, etc. The two best scenes in the film of course were Luthor's party and the senate hearing leading up the bomb going off. The reviewer showed a clip of Superman looking upset with flames behind him as if Snyder was a slave to "dat moment" but he completely ignored the fact that Zack constructed one of the best buildups in any cbm ever which was the pee jar just a few seconds before.

 

[SuperJ300]

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about making a stylistic film of sequential "moments" especially if it's a comic book movie. Snyder's moments just so completely transcend everything else in his films that the discrepancy between those and the necessary buildup is greatly magnified. Picking on shots like Lois and the general meeting under the bridge while they are both silhouetted by the rain pouring outside is a bit silly. The guy must have hated every minute of Sin City then.

The film 300 worked for Snyder but BVS obviously didn't.

 

[ZaCHw117]

The film 300 worked for Snyder but BVS obviously didn't.

If he would have made as just a straight up brawler flick without so much inconsistency in the story, I think it would have gave fans what they wanted, and turned out better.

Imagine the movie taking place in one night, no bruce wayne scenes, no stupid bullet story etc. just a straight up "this man has to go down Alfred" story. That's where Snyder shines, simple stories and crazy flair.

 

[LIBBY1957DOG]

Deb Snyder on Superman in new interview

And it’s all so human, right? It’s about these journeys. I mean, Zack really loves Joseph Campbell and the hero’s journey. And these characters are just so mythic, and their journeys– I always say they’re journeys are what we can relate to. Because we can’t relate to their powers, so what do you have?

That’s the great thing about our Superman. He is more relatable. Someone said, “It’s so dark,” and I go, “Well, is it dark? He’s going through real problems that we go through as people every day.” To me that’s not dark, that’s life. We’re complicated people. And we’re making him in that way more relatable.

So I don’t think that’s dark, I think that’s just who we are. People are complex, we’re not strictly just the good Boy Scout trying to do good. He does want to do good, and I think all of the the things Superman represents are who he is, but he also stumbles along the way and learns from it. To me, that’s so much more interesting."

and a cool manip to round it off

 

[RIDDICK]

More of "our updated version of the character is more relatable" crap, nothing new.

 

[crows]

Deb Snyder on Superman in new interview

And it’s all so human, right? It’s about these journeys. I mean, Zack really loves Joseph Campbell and the hero’s journey. And these characters are just so mythic, and their journeys– I always say they’re journeys are what we can relate to. Because we can’t relate to their powers, so what do you have?

That’s the great thing about our Superman. He is more relatable. Someone said, “It’s so dark,” and I go, “Well, is it dark? He’s going through real problems that we go through as people every day.” To me that’s not dark, that’s life. We’re complicated people. And we’re making him in that way more relatable.

So I don’t think that’s dark, I think that’s just who we are. People are complex, we’re not strictly just the good Boy Scout trying to do good. He does want to do good, and I think all of the the things Superman represents are who he is, but he also stumbles along the way and learns from it. To me, that’s so much more interesting."

and a cool manip to round it off

perfect example of why they STILL dont even understand the character... wow, talk about clueless.

 

[crows]

The film 300 worked for Snyder but BVS obviously didn't.

up until now most of the very successful Snyder movies were stories that OTHER people wrote. 300, Watchmen, had already been lay down. dawn of the dead was a remake,
Man of Steel and BvS had no outside guide, it was all them, thats why it fails. he is best when he is adapting something,
The best parts of BvS are when he is trying to adapt dark knight returns beacuse there is a guide to look at.
when Snyder and Goyer are left to create the story is when the problems happen

 

[GasparZizou]

perfect example of why they STILL dont even understand the character... wow, talk about clueless.

Not really, you want to see what getting Superman wrong REALLY looks like? Read American Alien, that piece of **** does it, and it's praised as a "good" Superman story, now that is some truly pedestrian understanding/rationalization of Superman.

Between what Snyder is doing and what Byrne did, there's really not much difference.

More of "our updated version of the character is more relatable" crap, nothing new.

Pretty much.

 

[RIDDICK]

Heck, in my book "Superman: Earth One" is on par with MoS in terms of gettin' Superman wrong.
And yes, I know they drew inspiration from SEO for MoS but both are different enough.