Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Technically, all of the stuff from the Dent act happened prior to that night. Harvey put them away with his R.I.C.O. case. It's kind of funny because it goes into that gray area, again; Batman and Gordon abused the system, yes, but it's a broken system, as he said in Begins. If there was even a hint of mental incompetence in the air, all of those criminals would've been back out on the street, even though Harvey was completely sound of mind when he put them away. Then, it would've been the criminals abusing the system for their own gain.

The point isn't that Batman "won," it's that he leveled the playing field. To try to put it into perspective, I'll make an analogy. Batman is the greatest soldier on the battlefield. He could keep fighting, but he'll always be fighting for the losing side. The question becomes "if removing your greatest asset from the battlefield is what it takes to, potentially, put your army on the winning side, would you do it?" Batman knew there would be sacrifices, but, at the end of the day, he also knew that, if he continued to fight, it would undo all of what he and Gordon and Dent had accomplished. It's about weighing your options. Tackle the rapists and the muggers and the killers and let the plague that infected Gotham flood the streets again, or leave the others to the police, now that they can handle it, and, possibly, save the city's soul in the process?

You know I'll actually give all this to you because I really do believe that it's basically what Nolan was trying to say but he apparently just had no clue on how to structure the events to actually make that feasible and certainly didn't communicate it to the audience in anything other than lip service from the characters. "The streets are clean." Khev: "Um, okay, and how again?" Nolan: "Don't ask--look! A cool Batcopter!" Khev: "ooooooh."

Keep in mind that unlike these other hooligans here () I actually really, really like TDKR. I just do. So I take those areas where the execution just SUCKS and I can ride it out because of all the other cool stuff.

Something that I find really funny though is that for all the the things that I do like about TDKR and even TDK I feel that both movies just kind of drag for good periods of time. For that reason I actually find myself getting sucked into the *Schumacher* films easier when they're on TV. If TDK or TDKR are on TV and I flip to it and the Joker isn't talking, a semi isn't flipping over, or Catwoman isn't walking toward the bike I just go "eh" and move on. But if Batman Forever or Robin is on I just have this sick compulsion to tune in and enjoy the absurdity. So make of that what you will.

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

Where are Kilmer and Clooney in your avatar yo?

 

[morphosis]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

You know I'll actually give all this to you because I really do believe that it's basically what Nolan was trying to say but he apparently just had no clue on how to structure the events to actually make that feasible and certainly didn't communicate it to the audience in anything other than lip service from the characters. "The streets are clean." Khev: "Um, okay, and how again?" Nolan: "Don't ask--look! A cool Batcopter!" Khev: "ooooooh."

Keep in mind that unlike these other hooligans here () I actually really, really like TDKR. I just do. So I take those areas where the execution just SUCKS and I can ride it out because of all the other cool stuff.

Something that I find really funny though is that for all the the things that I do like about TDKR and even TDK I feel that both movies just kind of drag for good periods of time. For that reason I actually find myself getting sucked into the *Schumacher* films easier when they're on TV. If TDK or TDKR are on TV and I flip to it and the Joker isn't talking, a semi isn't flipping over, or Catwoman isn't walking toward the bike I just go "eh" and move on. But if Batman Forever or Robin is on I just have this sick compulsion to tune in and enjoy the absurdity. So make of that what you will.

i cannot watch Forever or Robin at all. Forever is so painful. The acting, the dialogue, is just not my cup of tea at all. absurdity you call it, yes, and not in a cool way for me. If its on TV, as big a batman fan I am, I cannot watch Forever. And I never even seen Robin. After Forever, I was done with those films until they rebooted it. The comics and animated shows are a zillion times better. Didn't want to waste my time with the Schumy films anymore.

Again, only my opinion, im sure others can enjoy them. Just not me.

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I can't wait to hear your opinion on Batfleck.

 

[morphosis]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I can't wait to hear your opinion on Batfleck.

Not sure if you were talking to me, but I am looking forward to him as Bruce. I think Ben looks like a Bruce Wayne more than any previous actor given the role. He looks like a Bruce from the comics or animated series. And he's made some great films in his career both acting and directing. He's made some bad ones as well, just like most actors have. Michael Cain, Morgan Freeman have bad films under their belt in their long careers. Ben has them too, but also great ones, so i give him respect.

I think some people have already judged the film though without even seeing anything and its clouding them right now. I wish there was a way to record everyone who has bashed Ben, and then when the film comes out if its great, then see what they say. I just think its silly to judge a movie before its been made. But i guess some people don't like Ben from the start, no matter what movie he is in. People get like that with certain actors. Its a little unfair sometimes because we don't know these people personally, we judge them on characters they play in movies. But its all part of making movies i guess.

All i know is I would love a great Batman vs. Superman movie, and since I loved MoS, i am looking forward to it.

 

[a-dev]

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Speaking for myself I've never bashed the idea of Ben Affleck as Batman. I've only bashed the studio and its approach to this whole thing.

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I wish there was a way to record everyone who has bashed Ben, and then when the film comes out if its great, then see what they say.it.

I bashed Marvel for picking Joe Johnston to direct TFA, Johnston for casting Evans, Marvel for going to the Winter Soldier story so quickly and them again for hiring the Russo brothers. I clearly know what's best.

 

[crows]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I've been defending Affleck as batman since the day it was announced...

 

[Entropy]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

While Affleck has made good movies I've never seen him in a role that I was impressed by. He isn't horrible but at best just adequate for the role, like a Mark Wahlberg or Ryan Reynolds, but he hardly disappears into a character like a Gary Oldman or even Christian Bale. But does he have the chops to play Batman/Wayne? sure. This film has bigger issues going on than Batfleck, imo.

 

[Deckard]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I can't behind it. Even if he ends up being awesome you don't cast Batman based on needing a viable future with an all of the sudden flavor of the month director. How many people were saying Ben Affleck is talented before he made Argo? What's he done since?

Josh Brolin or Jon Hamm would have been far better candidates.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

This sounds like the biggest train wreck of a movie ever.

 

[morphosis]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I bashed Marvel for picking Joe Johnston to direct TFA, Johnston for casting Evans, Marvel for going to the Winter Soldier story so quickly and them again for hiring the Russo brothers. I clearly know what's best.

LoL. I wish all comic book movies would use Brubaker as their source material, I mean some have like TDK Trilogy and TWS obviously. I'd love for them to make his Daredevil, Catwoman, UnCanny X-Men, or even his non-super hero books like Criminal, Fatale, and his new Velvet into films.

Unless I am mistaken I don't think Brubaker has written any Superman?

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

You know I'll actually give all this to you because I really do believe that it's basically what Nolan was trying to say but he apparently just had no clue on how to structure the events to actually make that feasible and certainly didn't communicate it to the audience in anything other than lip service from the characters. "The streets are clean." Khev: "Um, okay, and how again?" Nolan: "Don't ask--look! A cool Batcopter!" Khev: "ooooooh."

Keep in mind that unlike these other hooligans here () I actually really, really like TDKR. I just do. So I take those areas where the execution just SUCKS and I can ride it out because of all the other cool stuff.

Something that I find really funny though is that for all the the things that I do like about TDKR and even TDK I feel that both movies just kind of drag for good periods of time. For that reason I actually find myself getting sucked into the *Schumacher* films easier when they're on TV. If TDK or TDKR are on TV and I flip to it and the Joker isn't talking, a semi isn't flipping over, or Catwoman isn't walking toward the bike I just go "eh" and move on. But if Batman Forever or Robin is on I just have this sick compulsion to tune in and enjoy the absurdity. So make of that what you will.

i cannot watch Forever or Robin at all. Forever is so painful. The acting, the dialogue, is just not my cup of tea at all. absurdity you call it, yes, and not in a cool way for me. If its on TV, as big a batman fan I am, I cannot watch Forever. And I never even seen Robin. After Forever, I was done with those films until they rebooted it. The comics and animated shows are a zillion times better. Didn't want to waste my time with the Schumy films anymore.

Again, only my opinion, im sure others can enjoy them. Just not me.

I own BR just because how absurd it is.

When I want a laugh I put it on.

When I want to be depressed I put on TDKR.

When I want to sleep I put on GL.

 

[morphosis]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I can't behind it. Even if he ends up being awesome you don't cast Batman based on needing a viable future with an all of the sudden flavor of the month director. How many people were saying Ben Affleck is talented before he made Argo? What's he done since?

Josh Brolin or Jon Hamm would have been far better candidates.

He kind of won an Academy Award for Good Will Hunting back in 97, for writing of course, but still, the guy is clearly got a lot of talent He just hasn't done a ton of serious roles like Brolin or Hamm have done. Argo and The Town are both great films I think. Watching them i can see both sides to a Bruce Wayne.

and Brolin and Hamm don't really have a huge resume of great roles up until recently. Brolin's big role was No Country for Old Men when people really recognized him. Before that, look at his films, nothing that really stands out other than The Goonies . Hamm got MadMen....before that, no one knew him.

 

[crows]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I own BR just because how absurd it is.

When I want a laugh I put it on.

When I want to be depressed I put on TDKR.

When I want to sleep I put on GL.

batman and robin depresses me too much. there is nothing i hate more than seeing a budget and talent go to waste. all those set desings, all those costumes, too uch waste.

also the movie trying to be funny just makes it that more sad

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I bashed Marvel for picking Joe Johnston to direct TFA

That actually was a mistake, IMO. Average director who crafted an average movie!

How many people were saying Ben Affleck is talented before he made Argo?

People who saw the Town and Gone Baby Gone, I guess?

 

[batfan08]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

I can't behind it. Even if he ends up being awesome you don't cast Batman based on needing a viable future with an all of the sudden flavor of the month director. How many people were saying Ben Affleck is talented before he made Argo? What's he done since?

Josh Brolin or Jon Hammwould have been far better candidates.

I still weep for what could've been, there, but I've supported Affleck since day one, and I'd hardly say he's a "flavor of the month" director. Argo's the one that everyone remembers, but The Town was a sensational film, and the underrated gem in the crown is Gone Baby, Gone. More than anything "Gone" and "The Town" make me hope he's the new director for the Batman franchise because he really knows how to build a world, and fill it with a sense of reality. He's got that dark, gritty thing nailed down more than any other director I know, outside of Fincher. Nolan's always the first name brought up, when it comes to "realistic" filmmaking, but his films have a sweeping, grandiose feel to them. They're a bit too epic to feel totally "real." With that in mind, though, we've already established that this world is far from grounded, so, if Batman/Superman is a success that launches a universe, and Affleck can deliver a Batman film with that signature grit, while also maintaining the level of quality associated with his past films and not straying from using characters like Freeze, Clayface, or Croc, I can see this, potentially, being the prime opportunity for a definitive interpretation of the modern Batman.

 

[batfan08]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

That actually was a mistake, IMO. Average director who crafted an average movie!


People who saw the Town and Gone Baby Gone, I guess?

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

When I want to be depressed I put on TDKR.

When you want to be depressed.

That actually was a mistake, IMO. Average director who crafted an average movie!

 

[Khev]

Re: Batman vs. Superman (2016)

also the movie trying to be funny just makes it that more sad

According to some early script leaks the forced humor in Batman vs. Superman is even worse:

Robin: "It's the car right, chicks dig the car?"

Batfleck: "This is why Superman snaps necks and doesn't save people alone."

Really awkward, hopefully it plays better on screen.