Beware the Recaster(s)

[Mr. EcKo]

List them Ecko.

I will when I get home. I'm on my phone now

 

[Mr. EcKo]

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[thenammagazine]

Several people pointed it out. Once there was proof it was taken care of.

I PM'd a certain someone proof and even offered options to investigate cases where he was offering recasts in trade for paints on them.

 

[pixletwin]

I PM'd a certain someone proof and even offered options to investigate cases where he was offering recasts in trade for paints on them.

Again, truth from nam doesn't count. Truth has to originate from someone else not named thenammagazine.

Sincerely,

Pixletwin
The NAM Apologist

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Lol ^^^^^^^^

 

[thenammagazine]

Again, truth from nam doesn't count. Truth has to originate from someone else not named thenammagazine.

Sincerely,

Pixletwin
The NAM Apologist

Given all the time I used to spend here, you think that would've held a little weight.

 

[Frank Jaeger]

What's the deal if it's a recast of say a pair hands from a mass produced figure?

 

[thenammagazine]

What's the deal if it's a recast of say a pair hands from a mass produced figure?

What should it matter? Someone is still taking money off of someone else's work.

 

[LipSmack]

What's the deal if it's a recast of say a pair hands from a mass produced figure?

or people buying the knock off truetype bodies...?

ps wicked profile man, how fan of MGS

 

[Frank Jaeger]

I just wasn't sure if it was mainly for head sculpts with likenesses in customs, or mass produced anything even down to like a standard hat?

What should it matter? Someone is still taking money off of someone else's work.

 

[LipSmack]

I just wasn't sure if it was mainly for head sculpts with likenesses in customs, or mass produced anything even down to like a standard hat?

people only really care if its a head sculpt

 

[Frank Jaeger]

That's my point, do people really only care if it's the head sculpt or like a very specific item, weapon, whatever that clearly belongs to a certain character? or is it just any recast of anything is a bogus move

And thanks man!

people only really care if its a head sculpt

 

[LipSmack]

That's my point, do people really only care if it's the head sculpt or like a very specific item, weapon, whatever that clearly belongs to a certain character? or is it just any recast of anything is a bogus move

And thanks man!

I mean some people on here and moreso on OSW hand make weapons so in that regard there would be issue taken with someone recasting someones home made weapon. But for the most part its just headsculpts

 

[galactiboy]

This is an argument with a great deal of grey areas and that tends to be where people get hung up and disagree.

The general rules here on the board as I've seen them play out for casts of any item (heads, hands, weapons, etc.) are these:
1) Straight recasting of any items (licensed or unlicensed) for sale is prohibited.

2) Recasting for personal use or to give to others is frowned upon, but not explicitly prohibited. This is generally an issue between the artist/company and person recasting the item.

3) Custom items can be recast and sold/given away if the person paid for ownership of the item or has an agreement with the artist.

4) Licensed items that have been altered (added to, taken away, size changed) can be offered for sale. The level of alteration is debatable, but something noticeable is generally the rule of thumb. This does not generally apply to unlicensed items, unless there is an agreement between the parties.

5) Unlicensed individual items (a head, accessory, clothing) can generally be produced in any size/amount and sold.

6) Unlicensed full figures can only be produced in a limited amount. Don't know if there is an actual hard number, but under 10 is usually a good number to stay at or below.

7) If a license holder issues a cease and desist then nothing else can be produced or sold for that license.

I'm sure there are some others... but these tend to cover the majority of the issues we've seen. With Q he's clearly violating the 2nd rule by doing a straight recast of an unlicensed item.

 

[LipSmack]

This is an argument with a great deal of grey areas and that tends to be where people get hung up and disagree.

The general rules as I've seen them play out are:
1) Straight recasting of any items (licensed or unlicensed) for sale is prohibited.

2) Recasting for personal use or to give to others is frowned upon, but not explicitly prohibited. This is generally an issue between the artist/company and person recasting the heads.

3) Custom items can be recast and sold/given away if the person paid for ownership of the item or has an agreement with the artist.

4) Licensed items that have been altered (added to, taken away, size changed) can be offered for sale. The level of alteration is debatable, but something noticeable is generally the rule of thumb.

5) Unlicensed individual items (a head, accessory, clothing) can generally be produced in any size/amount and sold.

6) Unlicensed full figures can only be produced in a limited amount. Don't know if there is an actual hard number, but under 10 is usually a good number to stay at or below.

7) If a license holder issues a cease and desist then nothing else can be produced or sold.

I'm sure there are some others... but these tend to cover the majority of the issues we've seen. With Q he's clearly violating the 2nd rule by doing a straight recast of an unlicensed item.

just to add these are general rules on the boards, not anywhere else

but a good guide

 

[galactiboy]

Yes, I meant here on the board... I'll amend that part

 

[LipSmack]

Yes, I meant here on the board... I'll amend that part

hahah no worries, then get a mod to sticky that and lets all be done with it

 

[karamazov80]

Your POV is oxymoronic. So by your rational, everyone who owns a group commissioned piece by Rainman has the right to recast it. The only difference here is the amount of people in on the commission.

So, just to make it clear, you don't believe in the basic capitalist principal of transference of property rights? Also, Rainman doesn't do group commissions that I'm aware of. He creates full figures, head/outfit sets, and individual heads that he reserves the right to re-release later. No different than what Trevor Grove does, or any number of other custom artists. Rainman receives input (usually unsolicited) from collectors, but can choose to ignore or listen to whatever he wants. Some members think of his work as mass commissions, but they aren't.

But yes, if a group commission took place, and Rainman sold a set of 10 heads to 10 boardies, if he didn't specify no recasting as part of the arrangement, and if this group all then decided to recast it for sale later, that's their right as sole collective owners of those sculpts. They could also choose to smash them to smithereens. It's their collective property at that point. This assumes, of course, that you aren't a communist who doesn't put value in property rights. . .are you a communist, Nam?

 

[pixletwin]

So, just to make it clear, you don't believe in the basic capitalist principal of transference of property rights?

I don't think he believes your example is a good example of transference of property rights. Neither do I.

 

[karamazov80]

Please elaborate.