Beware the Recaster(s)

[Hydeous]

I got one...

What if someone re-sculpts a licensed product leaving lets say 15% of the original sculpt stock but the rest has been reworked, then casts it and sells it?


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Its a ok per Dave's rule and I'll go with that. But personally i wouldnt be happy if someone did that to my work, and im guessing most sculptors dot appreciate it either.

 

[SwedishHeat]

The rule is "It's okay to recast a mass produced item, not an individual's item".

Not my rule, but. . . .

 

[TheFiend]

Are you referring to MRM's Joker? I stay away from that thread because i honestly think its a straight recast with the hair ripped off and real hair added

I think I have to disagree with you there. But yeah, I was referring to that one and a few other re-worked projects I've seen around.

 

[annihilate22]

That last post by LipSmack has officially killed this discussion. When you resort to quoting someone else's comments and then editing that quote to make your point... done and done.

Doesn't that call for an infraction ?

Quoting a comment with a UID and significantly modifying what it said, leading the readers to believe that the former poster is distasteful ?

But seriously, that shouldn't be acceptable.

 

[Jen]

Let's try and keep this thread on topic.

 

[SwampYack]

Odell recasted or got an unknown to recast Rocco's Rick Grimes and countless others.

Short Round and Elvis1976 got ashkanls to recast Rocco's Batman Battle Damaged and sold a ton of them on this forum.

Jboy2911 gave "Q" Rocco's Jax Teller and he recasted it.





Above are fact, no dispute needed. Below here is my opinion.



Jax Teller and Rick Grimes were both my commissions. I started out upset, but there is really nothing that can be done. Be more careful to who i sell to, but even selling to select people they could possible resell it to the wrong person. So in the end it isnt worth worrying about.

Maybe the only thing that can possible help is taking pre orders and selling the largest first run of heads you can because after that you know the recasters will have them.

 

[Jen]

I do believe the Batman that ShortRound and Elvis bought was a private commission - therefore I believe they own the casts of it. That's usually how it works with private commissions...or atleast that I have seen.

 

[elvis1976]

Indeed Me and Hector paid for the Batman sculpt as a private commission. Therefore we are free to do anything we want with it.

 

[gdb]

What if Andrew Lincoln bought a sculpt of a Rick Grimes somehow and for whatever reason wanted to recast it?

 

[Jen]

Doesn't that call for an infraction ?

Quoting a comment with a UID and significantly modifying what it said, leading the readers to believe that the former poster is distasteful ?

But seriously, that shouldn't be acceptable.

That post has been deleted. Editing someone's quoted post is frowned upon - though it is often times done in a humorous way where it is not an issue. This however was not acceptable.

 

[SwampYack]

I do believe the Batman that ShortRound and Elvis bought was a private commission - therefore I believe they own the casts of it. That's usually how it works with private commissions...or atleast that I have seen.

Indeed Me and Hector paid for the Batman sculpt as a private commission. Therefore we are free to do anything we want with it.

Exactly right, I reworded my post a few times and must have over looked inserting that small detail, or really I was trying to keep opinions out of it and stick with facts. It all goes together anyway. The head was recasted. i didnt write about it negatively. i just used it as an example. I was more focused on my part of the story with my own trials and tribulations.

 

[annihilate22]

That post has been deleted. Editing someone's quoted post is frowned upon - though it is often times done in a humorous way where it is not an issue. This however was not acceptable.

Yea that's exactly what I meant. I mean we (most of us) know when it's a joke as against what was done here.

 

[LipSmack]

That post has been deleted. Editing someone's quoted post is frowned upon - though it is often times done in a humorous way where it is not an issue. This however was not acceptable.

Yeah its fine as long as your in the gentlemans club of the freaks board, otherwise its frowned upon.

And to Clarify I never once said I support recasters, just saying they shouldn't be flamed if the sculptors arent criticized either, Sculptors do have alot of talent and make some beautiful pieces, as soon as theyre put out into the world they have 0 control over them, just the way she goes boys, They get banned from here and thats fine but what else are you gunna do? anyways sorry for not have the same opinion as others

 

[karamazov80]

The head was recasted. i didnt write about it negatively. i just used it as an example. I was more focused on my part of the story with my own trials and tribulations.

You're misusing the term "recasted" in this sense. When you say that, there is the connotation that it is being done without the owner's permission. Technically, when Rainman, or Rocco, or Trevor, or anyone else creates a new set of casts for a sculpt I suppose you could say they are "recast." However, it is their sculpt to own, so no one really says that. Same thing applies to the Batman sculpts you reference. The only casts produced are owned by those guys, and they paid the full price for them (Rocco was commissioned to produce those sculpts only for those guys, and ownership of the sculpt went totally to them). Therefore, it really isn't recasting in the sense that this term is almost always employed.

 

[pixletwin]

I can take a joke. Was just warning him. Obviously you can't either.

Oh I can take one just fine......you're just not that funny.

Jen

Dammit! My reply was funny and extreeeeemely clever. Why was it deleted?

 

[annihilate22]

Yeah its fine as long as your in the gentlemans club of the freaks board, otherwise its frowned upon.

And to Clarify I never once said I support recasters, just saying they shouldn't be flamed if the sculptors arent criticized either, Sculptors do have alot of talent and make some beautiful pieces, as soon as theyre put out into the world they have 0 control over them, just the way she goes boys, They get banned from here and thats fine but what else are you gunna do? anyways sorry for not have the same opinion as others

I don't know how you deamed up the Pseudo Elitist Club but heres the deal - You don't come out on flame sculptors like you did. A fair bit of this board runs purely on the talent they bring along, it would've been a pretty different atmosphere otherwise. You are entitled to your opinion, but if you prefer to be uncouth and condescending towards people - It's distasteful not humorous.

 

[LipSmack]

I don't know how you deamed up the Pseudo Elitist Club but heres the deal - You don't come out on flame sculptors like you did. A fair bit of this board runs purely on the talent they bring along, it would've been a pretty different atmosphere otherwise. You are entitled to your opinion, but if you prefer to be uncouth and condescending towards people - It's distasteful not humorous.

I was making a point that you cant say bad things about recasters when you don't acknowledge that sculptors are also doing things that are wrong (not saying they're bad people). And I assume you are referring to my quote modification where I switched out the words recaster with sculptor, that was just to illustrate that the pendulum swings both ways, sorry you took such offense to that. the Other guy had the "suck *** " thing in there not me

 

[pixletwin]

The Freaks Board, where a badly expressed opinion is justly ridiculed.

 

[thenammagazine]

I do believe the Batman that ShortRound and Elvis bought was a private commission - therefore I believe they own the casts of it. That's usually how it works with private commissions...or atleast that I have seen.

I dunno. I'd say only so long as the artist is aware of it ahead of time. BD Dark Knight Returns Batman was recasted out of spite because they were chaffed over Rocco sculpting a regular Dark Knight Returns Batman.

What if Andrew Lincoln bought a sculpt of a Rick Grimes somehow and for whatever reason wanted to recast it?

From a purly legal aspect, Andrew Lincoln does not own the rights to Rick Grimes. He may, which I doubt, own some points in merchandising, but that still doesn't give him the right to produce Grimes merchandise with his likeness.

 

[karamazov80]

I dunno. I'd say only so long as the artist is aware of it ahead of time. BD Batman was recasted out of spite.

They owned the sculpt in its entirety though. The artist had voluntarily given up all ownership to those who purchased it. The motivation for creating casts for sale is irrelevant at that point IMO. And I don't think you would call it a recasting effort any more than you would a second run of Walter White heads by Trevor Grove. Both are legitimate in my eyes.