Beware the Recaster(s)

[thenammagazine]

They owned the sculpt in its entirety though. The artist had voluntarily given up all ownership to those who purchased it. The motivation for creating casts for sale is irrelevant at that point IMO. And I don't think you would call it a recasting effort any more than you would a second run of Walter White heads by Trevor Grove. Both are legitimate in my eyes.

Your POV is oxymoronic. So by your rational, everyone who owns a group commissioned piece by Rainman has the right to recast it. The only difference here is the amount of people in on the commission.

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Bottom line,
Recasts sold for profit = Q = #1 Scumbag
Recasting a headsculpt to keep in your collection = Odell = Bad but not that bad
Recasting and saying you changed most of the sculpt = Stoooopid, "insert Carries mom" they're all gonna laugh at you

Recasting for profit is wrong

 

[Ironman1188]

There seems to be an underlying "threat" being made by the pro-recaster party on this thread. The Threat: if you have the talent to make an awesome HS and you either don't make duplicates available - or you don't make enough duplicates available - or if you charge too much for them; we have the RIGHT to recast your work.

That claim of entitlement and seemingly blatant claim of ownership of someone else's hard work just baffles me.

I can't believe some of these posts of people justifying recasting and the entitlement they feel they have to own a sold out HS.

If you miss out on something, for whatever reason, tough ****. We all miss out on things at one time or another. It's part of the hobby. You either bide your time and hope someone sells theirs, go in with a group of people to commission a new sculpt or ask the sculptor if they would consider re-releasing a head. Recasting is wrong, wrong, wrong and the idea that people would try to justify it because they think they deserve a sculpt or because the original is not licensed is truly baffling and sad.

As far as what I was trying to convey, I will state , again, that I DO NOT justify or support recasting. I do, however, understand how their place in the hobby came/comes to be. I, for one, was not claiming entitlement to a sculptors work, but it seems....odd that sculptors would deny a buyer their work and get angry when a person feels that the only way they can get it is from a recasted source. Is it right to do that? No. But I can see that is how recasters got their foothold in the hobby to begin with.
Like someone else said earlier, its supply and demand. The sculptors won't supply heads to hobbyists who want them and the recasters step in to meet the demand. Again, not justifying it just pointing out how it comes to be. Of course, its now mushroomed way past that where you get ebay recasters selling recasts of evrything form what a sculptor just finished last week all the way back to 1960's Gilbert Man from U.N.C.L.E. heads.
I cannot agree however that a solution is to commission a sculptor to sculpt a new head. That simply doesn't always work. Look at how many WGP interest threads didn't hit the required number to get a sculpt done. And that was for group commissions. If the head that was wanted was a bit more obscure, then, admittedly, there will be less interest. So, when the original limited run is closed and the sculptor says no to casting more the options are severly limited. For one person to commission a sculpt on his own can cost several hundred dollars and really isn't an option at all.
I have very diverse genre interests. I love sci-fi, spy figures, monsters, etc... To that end I have quite a few custom heads. As someone who cannot sculpt I truly value the work that the custom sculptor does, but I still cannot understand how the sculptor wants complete loyalty from the hobbyist but sometimes refuses to sell what he made to be sold. It almost like saying, "No, I'm not casting anymore, check ebay there are recasts there"
Now, before everyone jumps on me again, I'm not justifying recasting OR claiming entitlement to a sculptor's work, I'm trying to comprehend why a sculptor wouldn't sell their work when they are aware of the threat the recaster poses?
I know if I could sculpt and someone wanted my work, like I've also said, they could get one.

Sure I do. You own the PF Indy head that was Hydrospanned down to 1:6. Modding to fix what didn't take the shrinking accurately doesn't count as an original sculpt. That's still supporting recasting. You also trolled Rocco's thread when he resculpted a TDKR Batman that you felt looked too close to the one you commissioned from him. So as you see, I know exactly what I'm talking about. But as I said earlier, we get it. Unless it's something you commissioned personally, you wholly support recasting.

I am glad that this was brought up. How exactly does hydrospanning and hydroshrinking fit into this equation. There are a number of nice sculpts from non-one sixth pieces that would look great as 1:6 figures. Is that taboo too. What is the concensus on that?

 

[thenammagazine]

I am glad that this was brought up. How exactly does hydrospanning and hydroshrinking fit into this equation. There are a number of nice sculpts from non-one sixth pieces that would look great as 1:6 figures. Is that taboo too. What is the concensus on that?

It's just as bad as recasting. You make a mold of the initial product. Then you recast it in the Hydrospan product and let it sit out until it's the proper scale you want (whether growing or shrinking) and then recast the end product it a second time to produce an in-scale mold. It's no different than recasting. Especially when the end product is offered for sale.

 

[LipSmack]

It's just as bad as recasting. You make a mold of the initial product. Then you recast it in the Hydrospan product and let it sit out until it's the proper scale you want (whether growing or shrinking) and then recast the end product it a second time to produce an in-scale mold. It's no different than recasting. Especially when the end product is offered for sale.

And yet tons of boardies buy recasted HT Heads (bruce wayne, tony starke etc...) and no one bats an eyelid

 

[pixletwin]

And yet tons of boardies buy recasted HT Heads (bruce wayne, tony starke etc...) and no one bats an eyelid

Who are these "tons of boardies". I am curious to know.

 

[LipSmack]

Who are these "tons of boardies". I am curious to know.

skim through the threads for dx 12, customisng your dx 12, mms 123, 132 etc... someone posts comparison pics of originals and the recast and multiple people go order one as its cheap and looks on par...

 

[Mr. EcKo]

It's very simple to know who buys Scumbag Q's heads.

Just look at his feedback on ebay, alotta ebayers have the same name there as here.

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

It's very simple to know who buys Scumbag Q's heads.

Just look at his feedback on ebay, alotta ebayers have the same name there as here.

 

[carbo-fation]

Anyone have Q's ebay account info?

 

[Jen]

Bottom line,
Recasts sold for profit = Q = #1 Scumbag
Recasting a headsculpt to keep in your collection = Odell = Bad but not that bad
Recasting and saying you changed most of the sculpt = Stoooopid, "insert Carries mom" they're all gonna laugh at you

Recasting for profit is wrong

Odell was selling as well. They weren't purely for his collection.

 

[LipSmack]

Anyone have Q's ebay account info?

I think its on pg 1

 

[carbo-fation]

Thanks.

Q is making a killing off of the recast. What scum!

 

[thenammagazine]

Odell was selling as well. They weren't purely for his collection.

It's funny how I pointed that out a year ago and nobody did anything then.

 

[pixletwin]

It's funny how I pointed that out a year ago and nobody did anything then.

The truth from you doesn't count.

 

[LipSmack]

It's very simple to know who buys Scumbag Q's heads.

Just look at his feedback on ebay, alotta ebayers have the same name there as here.

only person that bought from him I recongnize is Emarae (dont know if hes on here but has a youtube chanel) do you see any others?

ps I only looked through 5 pages of feedback

 

[thenammagazine]

The truth from you doesn't count.

Apparently not.

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Odell was selling as well. They weren't purely for his collection.

I didn't know that. I thought he casted Adams Bale head for himself and his LOL nephew. Didn't know he sold stuff.

only person that bought from him I recongnize is Emarae (dont know if hes on here but has a youtube chanel) do you see any others?

ps I only looked through 5 pages of feedback

Did deeper, there's lots of Freaks on his feedback page.

This was a few months ago
I stopped at page 6 or something, and I already counted at least 8 Freaks

 

[pixletwin]

List them Ecko.

 

[Jen]

It's funny how I pointed that out a year ago and nobody did anything then.

Several people pointed it out. Once there was proof it was taken care of.