Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier (SPOILERS)

[Irvy]

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As long as they improve the visual effects, write a decent ending and there is no sign of a copout stormtrooper clone army, then whatever they do will be infinitely better than the first.

 

[karamazov80]

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They've already stated that the only reason Cap survived was the serum. So Bucky, without it, would be bubblegum.

There are no substances in the Marvel Universe that can be used to allow for survival in a frozen state beyond the Super Soldier Serum? Or there are no processes for putting someone in an induced hibernation beyond freezing them in an ice cube?

 

[thenammagazine]

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There are no substances in the Marvel Universe that can be used to allow for survival in a frozen state beyond the Super Soldier Serum? Or there are no processes for putting someone in an induced hibernation beyond freezing them in an ice cube?

Meaning they've already set their own stipulations. For Bucky to survive 80+ years frozen solid would be unbelievable unless injected with the serum. Even still though, as Khev said, if they're going to go that route, it might be best to build up to it vs. just BAM! Bucky's back. There's a rumor they're working Falcon into the script, so that'll be interesting as well. I don't remember who suggested it, but having a US Agent build-up storyline would be great with Rogers stepping down, Walker stepping into the role, proving psychotic, and Rogers taking back the shield.

 

[iron.jedi83]

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Meaning they've already set their own stipulations. For Bucky to survive 80+ years frozen solid would be unbelievable unless injected with the serum. Even still though, as Khev said, if they're going to go that route, it might be best to build up to it vs. just BAM! Bucky's back. There's a rumor they're working Falcon into the script, so that'll be interesting as well. I don't remember who suggested it, but having a US Agent build-up storyline would be great with Rogers stepping down, Walker stepping into the role, proving psychotic, and Rogers taking back the shield.

well in the movie when Stark told Cap that he wasnt marching to Fury's fife Cap agreed with him but he set that aside to focus on the team battling Loki. so the US Agent storyline could be where they are going.

 

[Niltusk]

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I guess I should be thankful that Ratner, Sommers, or the guy who did Daredevil and Ghost Rider weren't offered the job.

 

[Darklord Dave]

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In TFA they even had the other guy who Tommy Lee Jones wanted to give the serum too - the bully who hid when the grenade was thrown. He could be US Agent, Bucky could be Winter Soldier - they could bring back Red Skull - there are lots of different directions they could go.

As for the directors - Favreau was an odd choice too - he was known for Elf before Iron Man - but he pulled it off. Branagh was less of a surprise, but still kind of off-center choice and Whedon was just brilliance.

I'm sure part of it is not having a big ego director that Feige can't push around, but his choices have been pretty cool so far, so I'm not calling "sky is falling" quite yet.

 

[Khev]

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John Cena might for a decent punk Walker. It'd be awesome to see Evans face him as "The Captain" clad in red and black.

 

[karamazov80]

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As for the directors - Favreau was an odd choice too - he was known for Elf before Iron Man - but he pulled it off.

I assumed Favreau got the nod because of Zathura, which had some great action scenes and was a nice fantasy tale.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whfg26yGPx4[/ame]

And Branagh was unconventional because he never handled a straight up action movie, but I think familiarity with Henry the V was better preparation for Thor than more conventional action movies could have been--the behavior and motivations of royalty, conflict and war, the frailty of man and treachery, big, lofty speeches in English accents, etc.

Love this scene:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK4K7CV_PGY[/ame]

Having said that, I do think the guys responsible for Arrested Development could do a mean movie with Scarface:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYhSLTgyAY&feature=related[/ame]

or Frost Giants as the antagonist, though:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHe_BVY_9c[/ame]

 

[thenammagazine]

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That joke wasn't funny the first time you told it.

 

[Khev]

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Favreau was an odd choice too - he was known for Elf before Iron Man - but he pulled it off.

But only for one movie. IM2 was very mediocre. You really never know how these things are going to go and all you can do is hope that the studio hedges their bets to the best of their ability. It doesn't appear that they did that with the directors they chose for Cap 2.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Please don't tell me you're not gonna go all OT OCD on the Marvel movies.

 

[Khev]

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I don't even know what that means.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I don't even know what that means.

Star Wars BluRay thread. 'nuff said.

 

[Buttmunch]

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In TFA they even had the other guy who Tommy Lee Jones wanted to give the serum too - the bully who hid when the grenade was thrown. He could be US Agent, Bucky could be Winter Soldier - they could bring back Red Skull - there are lots of different directions they could go.

As for the directors - Favreau was an odd choice too - he was known for Elf before Iron Man - but he pulled it off. Branagh was less of a surprise, but still kind of off-center choice and Whedon was just brilliance.

I'm sure part of it is not having a big ego director that Feige can't push around, but his choices have been pretty cool so far, so I'm not calling "sky is falling" quite yet.

I definately expect Winter Soldier and the Red Skull popping up. Avengers just confirmed he got teleported somewhere and didn't die. And Bucky's death was really open ended so I don't think either being used would be a surprise.

 

[The Josh]

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I already see a lot of the same things said about this film as was said about TFA. Think we might be a little early in the game to sell it short. Heck, we don't even any real details on this movie yet.

 

[Khev]

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Star Wars BluRay thread. 'nuff said.

All right if I start complaining about Sebulba being retro-actively added to the Cap 2 blu-ray I guess you can call me out on it.

 

[thenammagazine]

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I already see a lot of the same things said about this film as was said about TFA. Think we might be a little early in the game to sell it short. Heck, we don't even any real details on this movie yet.

Given how every off-beat choice has worked out initially (I'll give Khev Favreau and IM2), I think this easily justifies a "wait till we have a script" leniency clause.

All right if I start complaining about Sebulba being retro-actively added to the Cap 2 blu-ray I guess you can call me out on it.

You've already started though, with the Avengers boxed set saying every movie afterward is gonna be horrible so at least you'll have that, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm all for reasonable chicken littling, but that's a bit early and a bit much, wouldn't you say? Marvel Studios is faaaaaaaaaaaaar from Warner Brothers.

 

[karamazov80]

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Well, speculation is all we can do at this point, and historically, across films, guys who have had a track record doing movies of the same genre to a forthcoming geek film well have had more success than those guys who haven't. You can tell a lot about how someone is likely to do based on what they have previously done. Michael Bay made mindless explosion-fests, and that's what Transformers was. Mummy director made crap with the thin disguise of an action movie, and that's what GI Joe was. Joss Whedon did ensemble geek properties well, and Avengers succeeded. Beyond Jumanji, Favreau did movies with witty dialogue and likable characters, which no doubt allowed him to accept and reinforce the positives that RDJ brought to the table. Nolan did dark, complex, broody movies well, and that works for Batman. . .etc.

I think Joe Johnston did a serviceable job with Cap 1. Not great, but pretty good, and he wasn't that strange a choice because he did Rocketeer and one of the Jurassic Park movies. The last truly left field comic movie director I recall was the guy from Barber Shop (who had only done "urban" comedies and dramas prior) being brought on for Fantastic Four. There was nothing in his work to suggest he had any business handling a movie about a comic book team. Not surprisingly, the movie blew.

You never know with these things, but this just seems like a risky move, and my expectations are gonna be reigned in a bit considering the directors' primary experience is with shows like Community and Arrested Development. Good for what they are--no relevance whatsoever to Cap.

That joke wasn't funny the first time you told it.

I thought I only posted that in another forum

 

[The Josh]

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Given how every off-beat choice has worked out initially (I'll give Khev Favreau and IM2), I think this easily justifies a "wait till we have a script" leniency clause.

Right wait and see best approach IMO. I enjoyed IM2 quiet a bit but I agree it's not at the same level as part 1.

 

[Khev]

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You've already started though, with the Avengers boxed set saying every movie afterward is gonna be horrible so at least you'll have that, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm all for reasonable chicken littling, but that's a bit early and a bit much, wouldn't you say? Marvel Studios is faaaaaaaaaaaaar from Warner Brothers.

Well even the Avengers set will include two so-so movies so its not like I'm not open to anything less than perfection. I just like it when stories have beginnings and endings and stop short of being dragged through the mud. With The Avengers we have the pinnacle of everything the previous five movies had specifically been building up to and a satisfying wrap-up to everyone's individual story arc. Everything from here on out is apparently "no man's land" and we're starting to venture off the map with the approach the studio appears to be taking.

I'm up for being pleasantly surprised, just like I was with Evans as Cap. Obviously we'll see over the next couple of years.