Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[JAWS]

Wait, I made the separation because of it, there's no comparison. Why would you compare a CGI slugfest with full choreography?

The way you were going on about MOS and BvS action I thought you were comparing them.

MoS action =/= TWS action.

Just cant get behind that statement... Lack of caring for story and characters effects the action scenes.. Plus its just pushing and shoving into buildings.. Smallville was great after it got to be more of the same over and over. Plus that whole Teraformer scene was awful. I don't mind a CGI slug fest (I am a hulk fan after all) but MOS lacked excitement and originality.. I think its why I liked the Smallville scene.. It had some original moments and it was a bit more exciting because it was fresh.. But then it just became more then same. I never felt any sense of danger to Superman.. Again it's the one thing I really give credit to the Russo's for.. they made the me worry for the characters even though we know nothing is going to really happen to our heros.

MoS action >>>>> Any MCU heavy hitter action.

Again I am going to come back to the fact that the lack of caring or excitement effects the film.

Now I am a Hulk fan... So I know I am biased... But I liked everything with him in Avengers was pretty damn great.... I also liked the Action in TIH better then MOS. Though it was far too short.. If only TIH had the budget of MOS. But it helped that I cared about Betty Ross and that she was in some danger during those moments (allowing Hulk to preform his thunderclap ) MOS tried that with the Daily planet crew but failed miserably because of lack of development. Hulk's first appearance in the Bottle factory was some great comic book geekness payoff also.

Again if MOS had a better script and characters perhaps the action would have come across better. But even watching them from just a "action for action sake" frame of mind I find nothing thrilling or cool after the Smallville fight.

The only comparable thing to TWS fight in the entire DCEU is the Batman vs thugs.

Maybe I'm being a bit dismissive of TWS fight while comparing it, but I do think the Batman one is better choreographed and shot.

Agree to disagree there... But Bats vs thugs is better then anything else in BvS and MOS.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree on that. But, with Doctor Strange introducing magic, maybe Ragnarok will feature a more "savage" and "primal" Thor. I would pay good money to see a Warrior's Madness Thor unleashed on the big screen.

I have no problem with the magic is science we don't get, I mean, you can actually levitate stuff with sound. That could look like magic to ancient people.

It's just.
-Stories lack any mythical feel, it's all lmao you're an aylmao with muscles XDDD
-Supporting charactes are bland
-Designs are just blergh
-Fake ass hair and half assed beard, I want beardless Thor and metalhead hair dammit.
-Action is sooooo lightweight for such a heavy weight character.
-Hemsworth doesn't do a bad job, but he doesn't look like Thor imo, between him and his costume, none are good enough to look at imo.

Fake magic is the least of Thor's problems, and I can't say they're being inaccurate because Thor's lore is kinda there in an "adapted for movies" kinda way, it's just all so very weak and uncommitted.

 

[JAWS]

Let me put it this way, THor is my favorite Marvel character, I like THor almost as much as I like Supes, if not the same, and I'm soooo apathetic about MCU Thor because he doesn't feel like a god of the vikings imo, he's just generic sci-fi warrior.

And a big part of that is the action, there's a shot in AoU, where Thor impales an Ultron bot, jumps and a bunch of bots jump at hims and Thor spins around in the air, it looks soooooooo stupid. That's Thor action in a nutshell for me.

I agree... Thor gets short changed for sure... I guess it's why I like the Ice giant scene... He gets to slam his Hammer and he takes out that Ice beast.. Both moments are very cool..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHXpmcwSsZE&feature=youtu.be&t=395

Oh god I hate it so much




Yeah, Thor vs Iron Man was cool, just because of the headbutt alone

Cheers :

Thor vs IM is on of my fav MCU moments.

Anyways I love this back and forth...Good to know you are taking it in stride like I am... I get worried about offending if I go back and forth to much





Edit.... Just watched your youtube post... Basically all action in AOU sucks but Thor was treated really poorly... As bad as that was his into at the beginning of the film was worse IMO when he lands on the tower and he basically is just fighting a bunch of CGI soldiers and the fight has no weight... His kick of the first soldier is just awful.



Edit Edit.. Just watched the Ice Giant scene.. I don't see any wire work really but its not as good as I remember.. I still like the Hammer slam, the killing of the Ice Beast and all the Hammer spinning he does.. but yeah.. Not that great overall.

 

[Victοr]

I have no problem with the magic is science we don't get, I mean, you can actually levitate stuff with sound. That could look like magic to ancient people.

It's just.
-Stories lack any mythical feel, it's all lmao you're an aylmao with muscles XDDD
-Supporting charactes are bland
-Designs are just blergh
-Fake ass hair and half assed beard, I want beardless Thor and metalhead hair dammit.
-Action is sooooo lightweight for such a heavy weight character.
-Hemsworth doesn't do a bad job, but he doesn't look like Thor imo, between him and his costume, none are good enough to look at imo.

Fake magic is the least of Thor's problems, and I can't say they're being inaccurate because Thor's lore is kinda there in an "adapted for movies" kinda way, it's just all so very weak and uncommitted.

Eh, magic is science works for Doctor Strange, but IMO, Thor needs to be a mostly, if not fully, mystical character. But yeah, his movies are the worst of the MCU. They're just... there. IM2, for all its problems had some very cool scenes and is easily rewatchable. IM3, for me a least, is damn good. Thor's flicks are... eh, I guess. I like the beard, personally, but I just want a more... "Viking" look. They tried to mesh classic Thor and Ultimate Thor together, but it didn't work. Let's just hope Ragnarok redeems them.

 

[GasparZizou]

Just cant get behind that statement... Lack of caring for story and characters effects the action scenes.. Plus its just pushing and shoving into buildings.. Smallville was great after it got to be more of the same over and over. Plus that whole Teraformer scene was awful. I don't mind a CGI slug fest (I am a hulk fan after all) but MOS lacked excitement and originality.. I think its why I liked the Smallville scene.. It had some original moments and it was a bit more exciting because it was fresh.. But then it just became more then same. I never felt any sense of danger to Superman.. Again it's the one thing I really give credit to the Russo's for.. they made the me worry for the characters even though we know nothing is going to really happen to our heros.

I don't think you're understanding, I'm not saying MoS action = TWS action, =/= means different.

MoS is a CGI slugfest, TWS is hand to hand choreography. They're not comparable imo.

MoS action did not lack any originality at ALL, what? you're thinking MCU, that's all 2000's wire-work, awkward stunts and weightless CGI (with obvious exceptions)

Beings with superpowers actually move like they have superpowers in the DCEU, which I can't say for the vast majority of the action in the MCU.

Again I am going to come back to the fact that the lack of caring or excitement effects the film.

And again, you can say "I didn't like it so I didn't care for the characters so action was boring because of that" and it's fair, doesn't change that the action was better made.

MoS and BvS action didn't land with you because you didn't care, that's fine, but I think you're judging it too lightly.

Now I am a Hulk fan... So I know I am biased... But I liked everything with him in Avengers was pretty damn great.... I also liked the Action in TIH better then MOS. Though it was far too short.. If only TIH had the budget of MOS. But it helped that I cared about Betty Ross and that she was in some danger during those moments (allowing Hulk to preform his thunderclap ) MOS tried that with the Daily planet crew but failed miserably because of lack of development. Hulk's first appearance in the Bottle factory was some great comic book geekness payoff also.

Again if MOS had a better script and characters perhaps the action would have come across better. But even watching them from just a "action for action sake" frame of mind I find nothing thrilling or cool after the Smallville fight.

What can I tell you? I'm a massive Thor fan and I can tell it's sorely obvious the action with Thor is lazy and unimaginative at best.

I'm not a Hulk fan but I can tell his action has been well made for the most part.

Caring or not caring about a certain movie/character does not make me blind to the fact that something is well or poorly made, in this case, the action, and it's painfully obvious to me how far ahead of the curve Snyder is when it comes to action compared to most of the MCU, Batman vs thugs alone is better choreographed, faster, more brutal and more dynamic than Cap vs Bucky, without relying on heavy shaky cam.

And the rest of the CGI slugfests in the DCU does a much muuuuch better job at portraying exceptional physical skills with consistency, fluency and weight, save for a couple MCU sequences for select few characters, the MCU doesn't come even close to that.

Agree to disagree there... But Bats vs thugs is better then anything else in BvS and MOS.

But it's not comparable, there's nothing that compares to Bats vs Thugs.

Eh, magic is science works for Doctor Strange, but IMO, Thor needs to be a mostly, if not fully, mystical character. But yeah, his movies are the worst of the MCU. They're just... there. IM2, for all its problems had some very cool scenes and is easily rewatchable. IM3, for me a least, is damn good. Thor's flicks are... eh, I guess. I like the beard, personally, but I just want a more... "Viking" look. They tried to mesh classic Thor and Ultimate Thor together, but it didn't work. Let's just hope Ragnarok redeems them.

No it did not, at all

Well, judging from what we've been hearing, Ragnarok is just more of the same.... Sigh.

 

[SoGS]

MoS fighting was like watching live action Dragon Ball Z

 

[JAWS]

I don't think you're understanding, I'm not saying MoS action = TWS action, =/= means different.

MoS is a CGI slugfest, TWS is hand to hand choreography. They're not comparable imo.

I get you now.

MoS action did not lack any originality at ALL, what? you're thinking MCU, that's all 2000's wire-work, awkward stunts and weightless CGI (with obvious exceptions)

MoS looked cool sure but pushing and shoving into buildings became boring and not exciting or original.. It was a big special effect sure.. But I see buildings low up and fall down all the time.. Again.. Perhaps I need to watch it again (I just did before BvS) and see if I see something that makes me say wow.. Other then Fiora's fighting of the military, there was noting in the film that made me feel that way.

Beings with superpowers actually move like they have superpowers in the DCEU, which I can't say for the vast majority of the action in the MCU.

Hulk was done perfectly. Cap is done perfectly. Thor not so much.. I still like the Ice Giant scene.. See my edit above for my views on that (I just watched it again)

And again, you can say "I didn't like it so I didn't care for the characters so action was boring because of that" and it's fair, doesn't change that the action was better made.

MoS and BvS action didn't land with you because you didn't care, that's fine, but I think you're judging it too lightly.

I will give it another shot.. But buildings blowing up and falling is not original too me.. There was nothing that blew me away.. That seems to be a major complaint of both MOS and BvS

What can I tell you? I'm a massive Thor fan and I can tell it's sorely obvious the action with Thor is lazy and unimaginative at best.

I'm not a Hulk fan but I can tell his action has been well made for the most part.

Caring or not caring about a certain movie/character does not make me blind to the fact that something is well or poorly made, in this case, the action, and it's painfully obvious to me how far ahead of the curve Snyder is when it comes to action compared to most of the MCU, Batman vs thugs alone is better choreographed, faster, more brutal and more dynamic than Cap vs Bucky, without relying on heavy shaky cam.

I think we agree about Thor and Hulk..

I think you are overstating you shaky cam reliance...

And the rest of the CGI slugfests in the DCU does a much muuuuch better job at ,portraying exceptional physical skills with consistency, fluency and weight save for a couple MCU sequences for select few characters, the MCU doesn't come even close to that.

Well I think the Good marvel films handle that stuff well (Avengers/ TIH/ IM/ TWS/CW)

Perhaps DC handles those things you mention better.. But it's boring the way they do it. That BvS fight was average at best IMO and DC can have all the good portraying of exceptional physical skills with consistency, fluency and weight they want.. But if the action is not very interesting to watch then what good is all that?

Again I will have to try and watch MOS from a different perspective but I am not sure it will make a difference.. I can remember things I like about Action scenes in Marvel films.. I can't remember anything form Superman vs Zod in MOS or any of the action in BvS

I think your enjoyment of the Batman Car chase sums up our difference in opinion here. You found something to like about it.. I hated it even when I still like the film.

But it's not comparable, there's nothing that compares to Bats vs Thugs.

Agree to disagree again.. I find most all of TWS and CW to be as good if not better. That is not taking anything away from Bats vs Thugs because it is a good scene.

 

[GasparZizou]

Well agree to disagree it is then

I do see some of your points, I did read your post, forgive me if I don't quote them though, my eyes are closing in their own. 3 in the morning here, I'm off, have a good night Jaws!

 

[jye4ever]

I hope he runs like Steven Seagal

Capt America trilogy is now the best superhero trilogy ever made (so far). The only weaknesses are the lack of great or good villains and no real conclusion to the story because it's just another chapter with no real ending, but other than that, it's pretty solid as a trilogy. It has the best action from any superhero franchise, arguably the best and most likable hero, they're entertaining, and the storytelling is pretty good as well.

While no doubt that it is an awesome trilogy which only improves as it moves along you do have to keep in mind that they are fully dependent on your knowledge of the other MCU movies, if you go into them cold they will be a confusing mess!

 

[jye4ever]

Glad you loved it as much as I did JAWS.

I almost mentioned Fury's car chase in that post but yeah you're right!

I can't believe how perfectly all these characters were handled by the writing team, producers and the Russo bros!

One character that is always overlooked in a movie that has Captain America is his shield, it's an extension of his character.

The dynamics from his shield alone provides more thrills than most other action movies.

 

[moose]

Brace yourself for impact because the MCU is basically on cruise control now. Feige won't change the formula at this point. They're making too much money and the general audience is happily eating it all up.

Expect good, fun, entertaining movies. Just don't expect anything transcendent like TDK. At least not from the MCU.

Yes I can see their pattern here but the last scene in BVS was so touching and I wanted the equivalent in CW which was there in the comic the shield on top of cap and Tonys confession Steve in jail it's a beautiful scene it's just not family friendly.

Before we were just happy to get these movies so we would not be as harsh of a judge , but now they are pumping them out to the tune of 6 movies a year and maybe even higher the need to elevate themselves. I feel like the last scene was kind of kiss and make up.

But I have a feeling of Infinity War will feature at least two deaths , they have to or else Thanos will be nothing more then a purple hulk.

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[chewblacca]

Saw the movie last night at a midnight showing. Wow did this deliver for great comic book movie. The story, the action, both came together perfectly. I don't know what people are saying about Zemo, imo he was a perfect villain that accomplished what he set out to to, break the avengers. The Sokovia Accords was just a disagreement between Steve and Tony. Zemo setting up Winter Soldier the way he did was the cause of all the fighting because Iron Man wanted to bring him in but cap was protecting him. If cap would have just handed him over to the authorities there would be no airport fight at all. What I thought was kind of unfair was how many were blaming the Avengers for Sokovia. They did not cause any of the destructing but get blamed for it all. I enjoyed this movie a lot. Marvel earned their success with this it was a long time in the making as it brings together many of the characters from mostof the marvel films from the past eight years. Going to see it again today!

 

[evenflow]

Saw the movie last night, enjoyed it very much but Guardians still remains as my favorite Marvel movie.

Spider-Man and Ant-Man were highlights for me. Black Panther was cool.

I know the whole point was "civil war" but i felt like the movie lacked a villain. Zemo was ok but really didn't have a huge villain vibe for me.

 

[JAWS]

Glad you loved it as much as I did JAWS.

I almost mentioned Fury's car chase in that post but yeah you're right!

I can't believe how perfectly all these characters were handled by the writing team, producers and the Russo bros!

One character that is always overlooked in a movie that has Captain America is his shield, it's an extension of his character.

The dynamics from his shield alone provides more thrills than most other action movies.

Saw the movie last night at a midnight showing. Wow did this deliver for great comic book movie. The story, the action, both came together perfectly. I don't know what people are saying about Zemo, imo he was a perfect villain that accomplished what he set out to to, break the avengers. The Sokovia Accords was just a disagreement between Steve and Tony. Zemo setting up Winter Soldier the way he did was the cause of all the fighting because Iron Man wanted to bring him in but cap was protecting him. If cap would have just handed him over to the authorities there would be no airport fight at all. What I thought was kind of unfair was how many were blaming the Avengers for Sokovia. They did not cause any of the destructing but get blamed for it all. I enjoyed this movie a lot. Marvel earned their success with this it was a long time in the making as it brings together many of the characters from mostof the marvel films from the past eight years. Going to see it again today!

I thought Zemo was the perfect villain for this sort of film... This film needed someone to help pit the team together. A major villain would have taken up more screen time and been more of the focal point. His reasons for doing what he did were good ones and he was held to the background so the focus could be on what we paid to see.... Cap vs IM.


Having said that... Unless people got the inside scoop that tony created Ultron.. People should have been blaming the Avegers for Sokovia or anything else... Without them they would have been up crap creek. But people in their grief usually have to blame someone and the enemy was disposed off so The Avengers was all that was left to pin the blame on.

 

[chewblacca]

I agree on Zemo. He's a great villain and shows what one person can do with enough knowledge and time. He breaks apart the avengers without throwing a single punch. The thing about Sokovia, you would think they would have video of all those ultron robots running around somewhere to show that the avengers were there for a reason and not just to blow stuff up.

 

[Mr. Green]

IMAX 3D, so real you can see the girl's leg, in front of you!

 

[kryptonianmutie]

If feels like I'm never going to get to see CW this weekend. Sold out, sold out, sold out.............

 

[YoNoSe]

If feels like I'm never going to get to see CW this weekend. Sold out, sold out, sold out.............

 

[chewblacca]

That's funny a funny pic because BvS is practically gone at all the theatres where I'm at.

 

[jye4ever]