Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[GasparZizou]

Capt America trilogy is now the best superhero trilogy ever made (so far). The only weaknesses are the lack of great or good villains and no real conclusion to the story because it's just another chapter with no real ending, but other than that, it's pretty solid as a trilogy. It has the best action from any superhero franchise, arguably the best and most likable hero, they're entertaining, and the storytelling is pretty good as well.

That's a big problem if there's no conclusion.

Will leave us all with blue balls.

There needs to be a conclusion, preferably in another Cap movie, but most likely it will be on IW.

 

[Victοr]

I don't know, I keep hearing the CW comic was pretty bad.

And the fight of Iron Man vs Cap because of IM's mommy was pretty emotional.

I understand the fixation with deaths but I don't think this movie needed any to pack a punch.

Nah, CW was dang good. Folks were just pissed it turned them against themselves and ruined some friendships. There were a couple of OOC moments in there, but the whole thing was believable. Tony's inner monologues were gold. For a man such as him to pray, even for a while, is a sign that things have gone awry. Still, I never expected the book to be perfectly translated. If that was the case, thenwe should be expecting Osborn and the Skrulls. Too many pieces that made CW are missing. The Negative Zone, the F4, the Illuminati, Ragnarok, Osborn, Spider-Man as a staple of New York, etc, etc. To translate it perfectly, it'd need to be something like the 20th or so movie, and have the afformentioned already exist in the MCU.

 

[moose]

I don't know, I keep hearing the CW comic was pretty bad.

And the fight of Iron Man vs Cap because of IM's mommy was pretty emotional.

I understand the fixation with deaths but I don't think this movie needed any to pack a punch.

I started to re read my copies of civil war to get hyped for this movie but stopped at issue 3 because I knew if would have finished it I would come out this movie hating it even more because I can already tell they as pulling out the emotional core of the movie . It's makes for good action but zero emotional attachment OK bucky killed tones parents but it would have been way better if war machine bought it and bucky did it in front of everybody

 

[GasparZizou]

Okay I'm getting mixed signals here guys

 

[xipotec]

Glad to see such overwhelming positive reviews.....sorta washing the bad taste that I still have trying to force myself to find something to like in BVsS.

I am selectively reading right now because I cant see this for. 2 weeks.....but its amazing that the Marvel hero I was least interested din has slowly became my favorite...good Ol Cap'

Winter Soldier surprised me, was a real solid sequel. .......

cant wait to see this, and read the DC fanboys reactions to what is an overwhelming positive response so far.....reminds me of a little Space Opera film from last year that everyone wanted to be the first to hate on...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That's a big problem if there's no conclusion.

Will leave us all with blue balls.

There needs to be a conclusion, preferably in another Cap movie, but most likely it will be on IW.

I don't think there's ever going to be real ending to the story in the MCU. They will just go on and on...recast at some point and the story and characters keep moving forward.

This is a temporary trilogy because it literally has 3 films, but not because the story has a beginning, a middle, and an ending like TDKT or other trilogies like The Matrix or LOTR. However, if I judge them as just 3 films in terms of the overall quality and entertainment value, it might be the best "trilogy" at the moment...although I might still give TDKT the edge because of the villains. Still, the Capt films might be more entertaining.

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't think there's ever going to be real ending to the story in the MCU. They will just go on and on...recast at some point and the story and characters keep moving forward.

This is a temporary trilogy because it literally has 3 films, but not because the story has a beginning, a middle, and an ending like TDKT or other trilogies like The Matrix or LOTR. However, if I judge it as just 3 films in terms of the overall quality and entertainment value, it might be the best "trilogy" at the moment...although I might still give TDKT the edge because of the villains. Still, the Capt films might be more entertaining.

Yeah but all of those have a narrative ending, maybe not in the big context of their universe but on their story.

Cap movies are 2 cliffhangers in a row now.

There needs to be a narrative ending imo.

 

[JAWS]

I said Jye was wrong as a taunt, not literally, but you are wrong, literally. :

There's camera work involved in CG stuff too, which is done better by MoS/BvS

Going to have to agree to disagree there... Perhaps you could be right.. But I cared so little most of the time it was hard to appreciate the camera work.

Like I said you can say "I didn't like it so the action is boring" and it's fair, but doesn't change that it's better made.

I can say "better made" story wise for sure. As far as Choreography and stunt work goes I can say it there also. If you want to base it on Snyder's ability to make it look slick and glossy and frame everything perfectly I will give you that.. But again it's harder for me to appreciate it because of the pesky story part

Heavy hitters = Superman-tier characters.

Thor fights are laughable by comparison. Hulk's are.... Eh. Hulkbuster vs Hulk was cool.

I thought Thor vs Ice Giants was great and Thor killing the Ice giant beast was better then Superman vs Doomsday

Hulk knocking out the Space slug in Avenger was better then anything in any comic movie

I actually don't care for Hulk vs Hulkbuster.. It was the BvS of comic hero fights in the MCU

I wouldn't.

Well the Batman vs Thugs was a good scene.. I look forward to seeing more of it in the Affleck directed Batman movie... It just was not as exciting as Cap fights IMO

It's a great and original fight scene. Close quarters plus one handed. It's done really well. Exciting and ALL IN CAMERA. It put a smile on my face. Neither of Snyders films managed to get a reaction from me as far as the action went.

I'm tempted to give you Fury's chase, which was better than CW's chase.

It's one of the best scenes in any comic film.

There is, there's plenty, CGI and non-CGI.

You could tell Faora and Zod were far better fighters because of it.

I would not call it plenty. I would say there is some.. But again the chorography has nothing on TWS and CW.

Derpsday fight too a while for me to process, I thought it was a CGI mess at first, but it's pretty well executed.

Its easy to follow... It's just not very good. Again I fault the DC / WB - lets stick as much as we can in the film and to hell with the characters.

I gave BvS a 7 out of 10 with my first viewing. A 6 out of 10 with my second. After watching CW and realizing I should have cared as much about BvS as I did Cap vs IM I give it a 5 out of 10.

I am really pulling for the R rated cut to be a more fulfilling film and just not a more overstuffed film.

Sorry but my opinion (fact) remains the same

 

[Victοr]

Okay I'm getting mixed signals here guys

CW (the comic) was emotional for pretty much the same reason as the movie. Conflicting ideologies. In the movie, Bucky was the catalyst, whereas in the comic it was the New Warriors. Cap's death didn't even happen in CW, but rather in his own title. It didn't even have anything to do with CW. It was a plot by Faustus and Red Skull. Sure, it was part of the fallout, but Cap didn't die due to what happened in CW, he died because of Red Skull's machinations.

Again if you want all that translated perfectly, you need understand that you need a whole lot more of world building. Osborn's T-Bolts, the New Warriors' show and Stamford, Spider-Man as a New York legend, Thor/Ragnarok, Reed and the F4, they're all vital to the story. CW is in no way a direct adaptation, but it could never be one, not at this point, and not at 2.5 hours. I'm just glad we got a great movie.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Yeah but all of those have a narrative ending, maybe not in the big context of their universe but on their story.

Cap movies are 2 cliffhangers in a row now.

There needs to be a narrative ending imo.

Right, but you still looking at it as a trilogy in terms of a story/narrative with a 3 act structure. I'm talking about judging them as simply 3 films...which technically makes it a trilogy, for now anyway, and judging the overall quality of those 3 movies.

 

[JAWS]

Marvel is smart, they edited the hell out of that trailer. I watched all of them and they edited this movie soooo much also, 85% of trailer footage does not exist in the movie or was altered. A lot.

100% agree. All the great stuff they saved for the film.

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I really thought Spidey was going to be in it for only two min. It was a nice surprise to see him take such a part in the fight.

Hate to dump on BvS again but the trailer was awful for that film.. It showed the story and showed whole scenes... The Batman vs Thugs scene was somewhat ruined because so much of it was in one of the trailers.

Why are always robbing these movies of their emotional punch .

This scene https://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/6e6606...76d/1ba41812-f55c-45af-869b-de73f279cb88.jpg in the comic had so much weight marvel movies is just selling itself short. Every one likes to compare DC v Marvel but we as most of us I am assuming are comic book readers should be not really comparing to companies rather stories and good of an adaptation they are.

Man I am tired of this toned down kid friendly crap it's called civil war you had 15 dudes fighting kill one at least. Man they better not tone Thanos down or else he will be a bigger joke then he already is.

I thought it had plenty... IM telling cap to leave the shield was great.

I prefer the choreography in TWS and CW primarily because they used my country's martial art.

The hand to hand scenes on both films is better in my opinion to the stuff from BvS. Every fight scene that had hand to hand combat was in my opinion better in CW and TWS but maybe the long range stuff, or acrobatic stuff was on par wtih BvS.

Yep.. I think that is a fair assessment

Capt America trilogy is now the best superhero trilogy ever made (so far). The only weaknesses are the lack of great or good villains and no real conclusion to the story because it's just another chapter with no real ending, but other than that, it's pretty solid as a trilogy. It has the best action from any superhero franchise, arguably the best and most likable hero, they're entertaining, and the storytelling is pretty good as well.

It's probably mine even though I am not a huge fan of TFA.. It would be TDK films but TDKR is a frustrating film and actually helped ruin some of my enjoyment of the first two because of the direction they took the story..

I don't know, I keep hearing the CW comic was pretty bad.

And the fight of Iron Man vs Cap because of IM's mommy was pretty emotional.

I understand the fixation with deaths but I don't think this movie needed any to pack a punch.

Agreed

Mine would go something like this:

1) CA:CW - 9.5/10
2) CA:TWS - 9/10
3) Iron Man - 9/10
4) Avengers - 8.5/10
5) GotG - 8/10
6) CA:TFA - 8/10
7) TIH - 7.5/10
8) Ant-Man - 7.5/10
9) Thor - 7/10
10) IM III - 7/10
11) AoU - 6/10
12) TDW - 5/10
13) IM II - 5/10

Nice list... Good to see TIH getting respect.. Seems like a lot of people were against that one for a while.

I don't think there's ever going to be real ending to the story in the MCU. They will just go on and on...recast at some point and the story and characters keep moving forward.

This is a temporary trilogy because it literally has 3 films, but not because the story has a beginning, a middle, and an ending like TDKT or other trilogies like The Matrix or LOTR. However, if I judge them as just 3 films in terms of the overall quality and entertainment value, it might be the best "trilogy" at the moment...although I might still give TDKT the edge because of the villains. Still, the Capt films might be more entertaining.

I love Joker but All other villains were OK.. Two Face was good but not in it enough. Bane was ruined but still decent.

Personally I think Bucky made a great villain in TWS and so did Robert Redford's character.. But Batman did have the better villains.. Too bad it ended the way it did. Just like TDKR less and less each time I watch it.. More for how it effects my enjoyment of the first two (which are almost perfect) then just the film itself.

 

[GasparZizou]

I thought Thor vs Ice Giants was great and Thor killing the Ice giant beast was better then Superman vs Doomsday

Hulk knocking out the Space slug in Avenger was better then anything in any comic movie

I actually don't care for Hulk vs Hulkbuster.. It was the BvS of comic hero fights in the MCU

pleeeease!

Thor action is bad all around, apart from Thor vs Hulk there's nothing salvageable, it should be as visceral as MoS action is and there's none of that, there wire work there is as bad as the Singerverse's

I watched Thor vs Ice Giants the other day on Youtube, and it was as baaaad as I remembered it, and it was hard to remember because of how bland, unimaginative and vanilla it is.

You think Thor fights are good but don't like HB v Hulk? well, alright.

It's a great and original fight scene. Close quarters plus one handed. It's done really well. Exciting and ALL IN CAMERA. It put a smile on my face. Neither of Snyders films managed to get a reaction from me as far as the action went.

What can I tell you? It's good though.

I would not call it plenty. I would say there is some.. But again the chorography has nothing on TWS and CW.

Wait, I made the separation because of it, there's no comparison. Why would you compare a CGI slugfest with full choreography?

MoS action =/= TWS action.

MoS action >>>>> Any MCU heavy hitter action.

The only comparable thing to TWS fight in the entire DCEU is the Batman vs thugs.

Maybe I'm being a bit dismissive of TWS fight while comparing it, but I do think the Batman one is better choreographed and shot.

Good thing it's also

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a fact

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hehe

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's probably mine even though I am not a huge fan of TFA.. It would be TDK films but TDKR is a frustrating film and actually helped ruin some of my enjoyment of the first two because of the direction they took the story.

Well, the trilogy ended the way it started..with Bruce Wayne fighting The League of Shadows and him being legally dead...see just like it all started, full circle

 

[Ropen]

One thing that Snyder gets right is the speed of DC characters. Superman was fast, faora vs superman was the best super human fight of all time, she out fought him and the only way he lost was because he wasn't used to being superman, but I like the scale of his fights. Massive. They toned down hulk and Thor, including vision given their destructive powers. Thor is a god. I wanted him to come over and shut up Ross about how the avengers should left open to free countries since he controls the universe.

My only problem like some of you state, was the ending, it felt like no one other stand alone films will tell us what happens in between infinity wars to unite them again. Unless it's like oh Hey, where did you guys get your uniform and black panther starts providing for everyone on caps team


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[LexiKon318]

I wouldn't be surprised if Panther

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makes cap a new shield

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[JAWS]

pleeeease!

Thor action is bad all around, apart from Thor vs Hulk there's nothing salvageable, it should be as visceral as MoS action is and there's none of that, there wire work there is as bad as the Singerverse's

Admittedly I don't remember the Ice Giant fight that well... I remember liking it when I saw it in the theater and once on Blu ray.. I don't recall wire work but it's been a while. I remember thinking that the film blew it's load because I did not think anything after it was as good...

I watched Thor vs Ice Giants the other day on Youtube, and it was as baaaad as I remembered it, and it was hard to remember because of how bland, unimaginative and vanilla it is.

I will have to check it out again to see how I feel now.

You think Thor fights are good but don't like HB v Hulk? well, alright.

I liked that one Thor fight... Not all fights..

Oh wait... Thor vs Iron Man is Great. I still think that every time I watch it. Thor vs Hulk is OK.. It should have been better. Thor slamming Hulk with his hammer is a great moment though.

AS for Hulk vs Hulkbuster... My issue is that Hulk is in Full rage mode but he can't even break out of the IM prison.. He gets his but kicked the whole fight.. If Hulk was given more to do in that film perhaps I would be more forgiving but it was really his only time to shine and they blew it.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I wouldn't be surprised if Panther

Spoiler

makes cap a new shield

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Or a new

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outfit

I was expecting him to wear a similar suit at the end when he breaks Falcon from prison

 

[GasparZizou]

Admittedly I don't remember the Ice Giant fight that well... I remember liking it when I saw it in the theater and once on Blu ray.. I don't recall wire work but it's been a while. I remember thinking that the film blew it's load because I did not think anything after it was as good...

Let me put it this way, THor is my favorite Marvel character, I like THor almost as much as I like Supes, if not the same, and I'm soooo apathetic about MCU Thor because he doesn't feel like a god of the vikings imo, he's just generic sci-fi warrior.

And a big part of that is the action, there's a shot in AoU, where Thor impales an Ultron bot, jumps and a bunch of bots jump at hims and Thor spins around in the air, it looks soooooooo stupid. That's Thor action in a nutshell for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHXpmcwSsZE&feature=youtu.be&t=395

Oh god I hate it so much

I liked that one Thor fight... Not all fights..

Oh wait... Thor vs Iron Man is Great. I still think that every time I watch it. Thor vs Hulk is OK.. It should have been better. Thor slamming Hulk with his hammer is a great moment though.

AS for Hulk vs Hulkbuster... My issue is that Hulk is in Full rage mode but he can't even break out of the IM prison.. He gets his but kicked the whole fight.. If Hulk was given more to do in that film perhaps I would be more forgiving but it was really his only time to shine and they blew it.

Yeah, Thor vs Iron Man was cool, just because of the headbutt alone

Cheers :

 

[Victοr]

Let me put it this way, THor is my favorite Marvel character, I like THor almost as much as I like Supes, if not the same, and I'm soooo apathetic about MCU Thor because he doesn't feel like a god of the vikings imo, he's just generic sci-fi warrior.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree on that. But, with Doctor Strange introducing magic, maybe Ragnarok will feature a more "savage" and "primal" Thor. I would pay good money to see a Warrior's Madness Thor unleashed on the big screen.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Why are always robbing these movies of their emotional punch .

This scene https://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/6e6606...76d/1ba41812-f55c-45af-869b-de73f279cb88.jpg in the comic had so much weight marvel movies is just selling itself short. Every one likes to compare DC v Marvel but we as most of us I am assuming are comic book readers should be not really comparing to companies rather stories and good of an adaptation they are.

Man I am tired of this toned down kid friendly crap it's called civil war you had 15 dudes fighting kill one at least. Man they better not tone Thanos down or else he will be a bigger joke then he already is.

Brace yourself for impact because the MCU is basically on cruise control now. Feige won't change the formula at this point. They're making too much money and the general audience is happily eating it all up.

Expect good, fun, entertaining movies. Just don't expect anything transcendent like TDK. At least not from the MCU.