Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I hope Flash runs like a proper sprinter.

I hope he runs like Steven Seagal

 

[GasparZizou]

That's more likely

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

If I have one nit to pick in an otherwise excellent piece of entertainment, it's this:

Spoiler

Why would Tony's first pick for a new recruit be a little boy we've never met before in this continuity? Surely Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Daredevil must be on everyone's radar by now. A brief, attempt-at-recruitment montage before meeting Spidey would've made the MCU feel that much larger. If not that, then a throwaway line would've helped immensely.

I get not wanting the audience to get bogged down by TV continuity, but if they can shoehorn in new characters to make things feel more epic, it wouldn't hurt to shoutout the characters already established in this larger universe.

I genuinely wonder if there's some sort of legal/contactual barrier between the theatrical and television departments.

 

[e30ernest]

The writers went on record saying the problems they have of using TV characters is that they plan well in advance for the movies while the TV department moves so fast. It is making it very difficult for them to sync up with the small screen because they don't know where the TV characters will be at the point the movie eventually gets released.

 

[Dr.Mirakle32]

I respect that, but at the same time, Spidey himself seemed shoehorned in. They easily could have left his entire appearance on the cutting room floor and it would have little effect on the rest of the plot. I'm still happy to see him, but they could have just as easily brought in the Netflix actors for one or two days during pick ups, for cameos, if not full-blown appearances.

The writers went on record saying the problems they have of using TV characters is that they plan well in advance for the movies while the TV department moves so fast. It is making it very difficult for them to sync up with the small screen because they don't know where the TV characters will be at the point the movie eventually gets released.

 

[JAWS]

Civil War Freaking Rocked... Best time I have had in the theater since CA:TWS... I was never a huge Cap fan by my goodness the Russo brothers make him my fav Marvel Cinematic Universe character and that is saying something because I am a Huge Hulk fan (Comics and movies). The action and dialogue were perfect... Never once was I bored.. Bucky is was fantastic again, freaking Falcon was great, Ant Man was fun, Spider-man... WOW perfect.. Russo's rule and I cant wait to see how the handle Hulk and Thor in the Avengers films. Two times now the Russo's did something I would have thought impossible for a Comic movie... They made it exciting and made me worry about the safety for the characters. That to me is an achievement all to itself. Easily a 10 out of 10.

Now I am team Marvel.. But I love Batman and really like Superman. They are my two fav DC characters. Bats is my second fav comic character after HULK. But while watching this I started to become bitter about BvS... Not because I thought it was awful (I did not) but because of what a missed opportunity it was. Civil War just did everything right to get to this point of Hero vs hero. Marvel took its time. So it meant something when Cap and IM went at each other. DC did not earn it. The battle meant nothing between Bats and Superman. A 7 min sequence spent with those two iconic characters going against each other was all we get.. But that is all we could get because WB did not take their time and had to hurry to catch up with Marvel. I have said it before... Unless BvS R rated cut really saves that film it will go down as a big fail because IMO it will not stand the test of time. Sure it will to some but to the majority it will always be the missed opportunity. An Ugly movie that was a somewhat chore to watch with a good Batman but little else.

Not to let Marvel off the hook... I found myself thinking of AOU also and just how bad that was. I watched the opening action scene in Civil War and all I could think was how much better it was then the corny poorly done CGI opening of AOU. How the airport battle when it was going from Hero vs hero was so much better then the slow mo camera circular pan in AOU when all the Avengers where taking on the drones. AOU much like BvS was a mess of a film... BvS had the benefit of some better scenes and a MOS film that put all our expectations in check. AOU failed to deliver on all fronts.


I feel bad but I got to refute some of your points Gasperzizou and I know we are just taking opinions but you gave yours as fact so I have to do the same

Also understand that I left CW even more frustrated with what WB and DC did with MOS and BvS and your was the first post I saw defending that film over the two Captain America movies. So it's nothing personal

You're damn right because that last comment was wrong

Yes it had more action, most of it was pretty good. But it's no BvS or MoS when it comes to action.

When it comes to heavy hitters.

I seriously cant believe you are comparing the mostly in camera action of TWS and CW with MOS and BvS CG fest. The problem with MOS and BvS is there was never a feeling of danger or excitement. The action became boring. I did like the Smallville fight and some of the BvS fight but it begins and ends there and neither of those scenes holds a candle to the Nick Fury Car chase, or first two Cap vs WS in TWS.. or just about any scene in CW...

Smallville fight, Zod vs Hopeman, Derpsday vs Trinity > Any heavy hitter action from the MCU. Which there's none in this movie, well, maybe that little snippet with Wanda vs Vision, but it was way too small a bit.

By heavy hitters I guess you mean Big CGI and things blowing up... Because never once was the action exciting in those films... Neat to look at.. Sure but that was the beginning and end of it.

Street level action.

Batman vs thugs > Any street level action in the MCU, this movie included, Bucky vs Cap included.

I will say that Batman vs Thugs was good but nowhere near as exciting as TWS and CW. Not even close. They really should not be mentioned in the same discussion. Again Batman's fight looked cool but it was not exciting. I would take the Cap vs Winter Soldier street fight (with the knife) any day over that scene..

Oh yeah and the Cap Elevator fight was far better then anything in the Snyder films...

Batmobile chase > WS chase.

I don't know what to say here. While I will say that the CW car chase was probably the weakest action scene of the two films I still found it better and more original then close ups of Batmans face and then long shots of him driving though stuff.

Oh and the Nick Fury Car chase in TWS was FAR better then anything and I mean anything in MOS or BvS. Nick Fury chase was a wonderful action moment and a highlight of any comic based film.

At this point you can say "well those movies suck and I don't care for the characters so it makes me not care for the action", fair enough, but everything in the "DCEU" (as little we have compared to the MCU) is just better choreographed and better shot, there's more "kinetics" Jye talks about, and more weight in those, than in anything in the MCU.

The is no Choreographed fighting in DCEU.. Because its all GGI... Now I guess you could say there is computer Choreography and you would be write but it's not the same as real actors and stunt men doing it. The only reason I will give you the weight argument is because we are dealing with Superman and it's hard to judge the weight of the matter. But yeah there is some bad CGI weightlessness in CW and TWS.. But most of the action is in camera and thus the weight is there for the most part.

The wire work in the MCU is noticeably bad, even in this movie, that BP spinning kick to Cap was particularly bad, honestly it made me chuckle, I don't know if it was CGI or CGI-enhanced wire-work, but there are a couple of bits like that in all the fights throughout the movie.

Again will give you that... But again I don't care how it looked.. I gave a crap and that helps erase some of that... I mean MOS looked like CGI plenty of times and the CGI was not spot in in BvS either.. So I ask... Whats the difference?

And I know CGI sucks nowadays in all movies, but Hopeman flying around still looks miles better than Vision flying around, and I love Vision.

Going to have to disagree... I don't think either look bad.

I will give you this:

The airport scene is MASSIVE, 15 WHOLE minutes of pure action, with a dozen characters.

That is nothing short of impressive, in terms of cogs in motion and actually making it work at that scale, it is superior to any DCEU action set piece.

Thanks for the honest assessment

There's really nothing to compare it to in the DCEU though

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That is true.. But the Batman Superman, Wonder Woman vs Cave Troll tried to be a great huge action scene and failed IMO... WW was cool but that was it.

But some of that was because I really hated Cave Troll and his loud obnoxious screaming... So that did not help but there was nothing that really stood out in that fight.

I'll give you that one spinning kick from BP, it stuck out.

It was CGI was it not?? I know it stuck out.

But MOS/BvS doesn't come close to TWS/CW in the action department.

TWS and CW has some of the best action in any comic film.. It has some of the best action in any film period

The best MOS/BvS has to offer is the Faora fight and Batman warehouse fight and while both were decent they still fall way short of the scope, intensity and thrill of the TWS/CW fights

I can't agree more... And if Jye and JAWS agree it is a known fact that it is a fact... That's just a fact

The action in MOS is famously known for 2 things:

1. Put people to sleep.
2. Made people numb to it all.

Bam! Numb to it all is a perfect way to put it because it was that numbness that put people to sleep.. Had they made anyone in MOS likeable and gave us a sense of danger then the action would have been improved.. But it was very weak in the character department.

The action in TWS is famously known for 2 things:

1. Raised the bar in hand to hand combat action scenes.
2. Elevated Cap and Bucky into bad ass status.

And had a freaking great Nick fury car chase.

BvS has 3 action scenes that stand out.

1. BvS
2. Warehouse
3. Trinity v Marshmellow Man

CW has 3 action scenes that stand out in just its first 15 minutes!

BvS had two scenes IMO... The Doomsday moment was not standout to me.

TWS and CW just did everything right in terms of character and action. Like I said I am not even a Huge Cap fan but these movies turned me into one.

 

[JAWS]

I respect that, but at the same time, Spidey himself seemed shoehorned in. They easily could have left his entire appearance on the cutting room floor and it would have little effect on the rest of the plot. I'm still happy to see him, but they could have just as easily brought in the Netflix actors for one or two days during pick ups, for cameos, if not full-blown appearances.

I actually was not all the hyped to see him.. But they did him so well in the fight that I am glad he was there. But yeah.. He was shoehorned in for sure.

 

[JAWS]

I hope he runs like Steven Seagal

Worst action star ever... Never got what the appeal was back then.

 

[e30ernest]

Jaws is happy... and there was no Hulk in it...

Imagine if the Hulk was in it.

 

[JAWS]

All of which with WAY more stuff going on and more characters than Age of Ultron, which is often used as an apology for Whedon.

Yeah... Whedon need to shut up now.. No more excuses.. AOU sucked because villain sucked and action sucked.

 

[ironwez20]

Spidey is so freaking amazing man! This movie was freaking great! The fight at the end was emotional and I felt more for winter soldier than I did for him in the second movie. The fight at the airport was also fun and spidey was inexperienced but kicked ass.

 

[GasparZizou]

I feel bad but I got to refute some of your points Gasperzizou and I know we are just taking opinions but you gave yours as fact so I have to do the same

I said Jye was wrong as a taunt, not literally, but you are wrong, literally. :

I seriously cant believe you are comparing the mostly in camera action of TWS and CW with MOS and BvS CG fest. The problem with MOS and BvS is there was never a feeling of danger or excitement. The action became boring. I did like the Smallville fight and some of the BvS fight but it begins and ends there and neither of those scenes holds a candle to the Nick Fury Car chase, or first two Cap vs WS in TWS.. or just about any scene in CW...

There's camera work involved in CG stuff too, which is done better by MoS/BvS

Like I said you can say "I didn't like it so the action is boring" and it's fair, but doesn't change that it's better made.

By heavy hitters I guess you mean Big CGI and things blowing up... Because never once was the action exciting in those films... Neat to look at.. Sure but that was the beginning and end of it.

Heavy hitters = Superman-tier characters.

Thor fights are laughable by comparison. Hulk's are.... Eh. Hulkbuster vs Hulk was cool.

I will say that Batman vs Thugs was good but nowhere near as exciting as TWS and CW. Not even close. They really should not be mentioned in the same discussion. Again Batman's fight looked cool but it was not exciting. I would take the Cap vs Winter Soldier street fight (with the knife) any day over that scene..

I wouldn't.

Oh yeah and the Cap Elevator fight was far better then anything in the Snyder films...

I don't know what to say here. While I will say that the CW car chase was probably the weakest action scene of the two films I still found it better and more original then close ups of Batmans face and then long shots of him driving though stuff.

Oh and the Nick Fury Car chase in TWS was FAR better then anything and I mean anything in MOS or BvS. Nick Fury chase was a wonderful action moment and a highlight of any comic based film.

I'm tempted to give you Fury's chase, which was better than CW's chase.

The is no Choreographed fighting in DCEU.. Because its all GGI... Now I guess you could say there is computer Choreography and you would be write but it's not the same as real actors and stunt men doing it. The only reason I will give you the weight argument is because we are dealing with Superman and it's hard to judge the weight of the matter. But yeah there is some bad CGI weightlessness in CW and TWS.. But most of the action is in camera and thus the weight is there for the most part.

There is, there's plenty, CGI and non-CGI.

You could tell Faora and Zod were far better fighters because of it.

That is true.. But the Batman Superman, Wonder Woman vs Cave Troll tried to be a great huge action scene and failed IMO... WW was cool but that was it.

But some of that was because I really hated Cave Troll and his loud obnoxious screaming... So that did not help but there was nothing that really stood out in that fight.

Derpsday fight too a while for me to process, I thought it was a CGI mess at first, but it's pretty well executed.

Sorry but my opinion (fact) remains the same

 

[Ropen]

Marvel is smart, they edited the hell out of that trailer. I watched all of them and they edited this movie soooo much also, 85% of trailer footage does not exist in the movie or was altered. A lot.

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[JAWS]

Fully agreed. I never got what was so mediocre about TFA to some folks. It's one of my favs

It's still the only MCU film I have only seen once. I liked it OK but Nothing stood out. I just never feel the need to watch it. I need to try as I may like it more now that I love the character so much in these films.. But the action and story were some of the MCU weakest.

MCU for me:

1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) 10/10
2. The Avengers (2012) 10/10
3. Iron Man (2008) 9/10
4. Guardians of The Galaxy (2014) 9/10
5. The Incredible Hulk (2008) 8/10
6. Civil War (2016) 8/10
7. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) 7.5/10
8. Thor (2011) 7.5/10
9. Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) 7/10
10. Iron Man 2 (2010) 6/10
11. Ant-Man (2015) 6/10
12. Iron Man 3 (2013) 5/10
13. Thor: The Dark World (2013) 5/10

Hmmm Pretty good and fair... Nice Ranking of TIH I hate to rank CW as I have only seen in once but mine would go like this.

1. Avengers -10 out of 10 (Hulk was great in it so it gets the advantage over the next two spots)
2. CA:CW - 10 out of 10 (If Hulk was in it it would be number 1 )
3. CA:TWS - 10 out of 10
4. The Incredible Hulk - 8.5 out of 10 (Hulk's personality was about perfect in this one. Underrated Marvel film IMO)
5. Iron Man - 8.5 out of 10
6. Ant Man - 7 out of 10
7. Thor - 7 out of 10
8. GOTG - 7 out of 10
9. CA:TFA - 7 out of 10
10. Thor: The Dark World - 6 out of 10
11. Iron Man II - 4 out of 10
12. Iron Man III - 2.5 out of 10
13. Avengers:AOU - 2 out of 10

 

[ironwez20]

If I have one nit to pick in an otherwise excellent piece of entertainment, it's this:

Spoiler

Why would Tony's first pick for a new recruit be a little boy we've never met before in this continuity? Surely Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Daredevil must be on everyone's radar by now. A brief, attempt-at-recruitment montage before meeting Spidey would've made the MCU feel that much larger. If not that, then a throwaway line would've helped immensely.

I get not wanting the audience to get bogged down by TV continuity, but if they can shoehorn in new characters to make things feel more epic, it wouldn't hurt to shoutout the characters already established in this larger universe.

I genuinely wonder if there's some sort of legal/contactual barrier between the theatrical and television departments.

Cuz its just way better to have spiderman than jessica jones or luke cage. Spiderman was a big part of the comic but this wasnt like the comic at all but still spiderman needed to be in this movie some way.

 

[moose]

Why are always robbing these movies of their emotional punch .

This scene https://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/6e6606...76d/1ba41812-f55c-45af-869b-de73f279cb88.jpg in the comic had so much weight marvel movies is just selling itself short. Every one likes to compare DC v Marvel but we as most of us I am assuming are comic book readers should be not really comparing to companies rather stories and good of an adaptation they are.

Man I am tired of this toned down kid friendly crap it's called civil war you had 15 dudes fighting kill one at least. Man they better not tone Thanos down or else he will be a bigger joke then he already is.

 

[e30ernest]

I prefer the choreography in TWS and CW primarily because they used my country's martial art.

The hand to hand scenes on both films is better in my opinion to the stuff from BvS. Every fight scene that had hand to hand combat was in my opinion better in CW and TWS but maybe the long range stuff, or acrobatic stuff was on par wtih BvS.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Capt America trilogy is now the best superhero trilogy ever made (so far). The only weaknesses are the lack of great or good villains and no real conclusion to the story because it's just another chapter with no real ending, but other than that, it's pretty solid as a trilogy. It has the best action from any superhero franchise, arguably the best and most likable hero, they're entertaining, and the storytelling is pretty good as well.

 

[GasparZizou]

Why are always robbing these movies of their emotional punch .

This scene https://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/6e6606...76d/1ba41812-f55c-45af-869b-de73f279cb88.jpg in the comic had so much weight marvel movies is just selling itself short. Every one likes to compare DC v Marvel but we as most of us I am assuming are comic book readers should be not really comparing to companies rather stories and good of an adaptation they are.

Man I am tired of this toned down kid friendly crap it's called civil war you had 15 dudes fighting kill one at least. Man they better not tone Thanos down or else he will be a bigger joke then he already is.

I don't know, I keep hearing the CW comic was pretty bad.

And the fight of Iron Man vs Cap because of IM's mommy was pretty emotional.

I understand the fixation with deaths but I don't think this movie needed any to pack a punch.

 

[Victοr]

Mine would go something like this:

1) CA:CW - 9.5/10
2) CA:TWS - 9/10
3) Iron Man - 9/10
4) Avengers - 8.5/10
5) GotG - 8/10
6) CA:TFA - 8/10
7) TIH - 7.5/10
8) Ant-Man - 7.5/10
9) Thor - 7/10
10) IM III - 7/10
11) AoU - 6/10
12) TDW - 5/10
13) IM II - 5/10