Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[Sweet Rabbit]

Did it seriously only take 2 weeks for Captain America to top BVS?

I don't think it was even 2 weeks

 

[Khev]

After the ridiculous, "Gear up, we're going to Sokovia" scene in AoU where Cap gratuitously neglects to even *bring* his helmet to the biggest battle they were about to engage in it was very refreshing to see him keep his helmet on for all FOUR battles in Civil War (Crossbones, Bucky/BP chase, airport, Zemo bunker.) Well done Russos and Evans for not demanding mid-battle mugshots.

 

[chewblacca]

I was thinking the same thing about Cap. The main battle in AOU and he goes in helmet less. I would have laughed my head off if he got taken out by a blow to the head. I loved that he kept his helmet on for every fight in Civil War.

 

[jye4ever]

The irony is that Cap is so over powered in MCU he doesn't even need his silly helmet.

Now had Affleck removed his during his battle with Trollsday.

 

[chewblacca]

Yeah, but if I remember correctly Affleck batman got shot twice in the head during that warehouse fight. If not for that full head mask he would be a goner!

 

[jye4ever]

Thor is the one who should be using his helmet for protection in the MCU.

 

[daikkenaurora]

I was thinking the same thing about Cap. The main battle in AOU and he goes in helmet less. I would have laughed my head off if he got taken out by a blow to the head. I loved that he kept his helmet on for every fight in Civil War.

That helmet would not protect him. It's just there so you can see the A and the wings. lol

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

I think Cap is still underpowered compared to his comic self. As are all of them. Especially Iron Man.

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[GodzillaSpawn]

I'm excited to see how Strange gets involved with these characters. Wait, we aren't going to see him interact with any of them before infinity war are we?

I want to see Strange **** with scarlet witch

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[Khev]

I think Cap is still underpowered compared to his comic self.

How so? Comic Cap (at least up until Heroes Reborn which is when I stopped reading) could never run as fast as a car or stop a helicopter from taking off by simply grabbing it. The super-soldier serum in the comics gave him peak human strength and speed, not superhuman strength and speed. Steve grabbing Bucky's chopper was a John Walker feat of strength.

He even got the best of Spider-Man in Civil War, SPIDER-MAN, so he certainly isn't under-powered. Spidey is freakishly fast and strong. Though I actually love how they did it in the movie. Turning the momentum against Spidey and getting out of the webs through a martial arts counter-grappling technique. THAT was awesome. Because Cap traditionally isn't about being the strongest, fastest, or toughest guy in the room. He's basically an Olympic track star and power lifter rolled into one with an indestructible shield and fighting technique second to none.

In the 80's he fought Iron Man several times and I was always pissed that IM always got the upper hand. Cap would be all, "I can't use this shield you gave me, I'll fight with my bare hands instead" and then get his ass handed to him or once when he DID use his shield another guy needed help mid-fight and when he went to help the guy Stark came up behind Steve and paralyzed him with electric shocks from his gauntlet. Grrr. I never was granted a satisfying rematch. But thanks to the Russo Bros...vindication!

They could have titled this movie "Captain America 3: Cap owns the Marvel Universe" because he did! Got the best of Spider-Man, got the support of all the coolest Avengers, he had the wherewithal to recognize the real threat and then in the one fight between heroes that wasn't some misunderstanding that was broken up by a third party or distraction but was rather a true no holds barred "simply fight until the other guy is down for the count" between Cap and Iron Man and Cap won!

That is the biggest "Alpha Superhero" moment we've had in the entire MCU. Who's next? Thor? The Hulk? Cap took down the headline guy of the entire MCU, the foundational hero upon which everything that followed was built. Cap has utterly and truly arrived and is THE man now. No more "Call it Captain," or "Technically he's the boss" of Stark granting Steve top dog privileges.

 

[spindrift]

I thought Spidey was TOO strong in CW as he gave Cap a good run for his money-

 

[Khev]

I thought Spidey was TOO strong in CW as he gave Cap a good run for his money-

Well he should have considering "proportionate speed and strength of a spider" and so on. In the original Secret Wars Spidey took out the entire X-Men TEAM by himself. He's no slouch.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

I thought Spidey was TOO strong in CW as he gave Cap a good run for his money-

How? It's right in line within the universe

 

[Victοr]

I thought Spidey was TOO strong in CW as he gave Cap a good run for his money-

You mean this Spider-Man?

Spider-Man always was, and still is, a damn powerhouse. The sooner people accept that, the sooner we'll be done with the "Batmun v Spuder-Mun" threads...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

How so? Comic Cap (at least up until Heroes Reborn which is when I stopped reading) could never run as fast as a car or stop a helicopter from taking off by simply grabbing it. The super-soldier serum in the comics gave him peak human strength and speed, not superhuman strength and speed. Steve grabbing Bucky's chopper was a John Walker feat of strength.

He even got the best of Spider-Man in Civil War, SPIDER-MAN, so he certainly isn't under-powered. Spidey is freakishly fast and strong. Though I actually love how they did it in the movie. Turning the momentum against Spidey and getting out of the webs through a martial arts counter-grappling technique. THAT was awesome. Because Cap traditionally isn't about being the strongest, fastest, or toughest guy in the room. He's basically an Olympic track star and power lifter rolled into one with an indestructible shield and fighting technique second to none.

In the 80's he fought Iron Man several times and I was always pissed that IM always got the upper hand. Cap would be all, "I can't use this shield you gave me, I'll fight with my bare hands instead" and then get his ass handed to him or once when he DID use his shield another guy needed help mid-fight and when he went to help the guy Stark came up behind Steve and paralyzed him with electric shocks from his gauntlet. Grrr. I never was granted a satisfying rematch. But thanks to the Russo Bros...vindication!

They could have titled this movie "Captain America 3: Cap owns the Marvel Universe" because he did! Got the best of Spider-Man, got the support of all the coolest Avengers, he had the wherewithal to recognize the real threat and then in the one fight between heroes that wasn't some misunderstanding that was broken up by a third party or distraction but was rather a true no holds barred "simply fight until the other guy is down for the count" between Cap and Iron Man and Cap won!

Realistically, Capt shouldn't stand a chance against SpiderMan, a guy who is strong enough to lift 20 tons However, I thought it made sense that Capt was able to beat Spidey because he's a superior fighter with more battle/tactical experience and Spidey was probably holding back as well. Also, Spidey is a high school kid and only had his powers for 6 months, so he's really green.

That is the biggest "Alpha Superhero" moment we've had in the entire MCU. Who's next? Thor? The Hulk? Cap took down the headline guy of the entire MCU, the foundational hero upon which everything that followed was built. Cap has utterly and truly arrived and is THE man now. No more "Call it Captain," or "Technically he's the boss" of Stark granting Steve top dog privileges.

Thanos is next on Capt's list, then Galactus, The Living Tribunal, and finally, he takes down TOAA with his bare hands.

 

[Khev]

Realistically, Capt shouldn't stand a chance against SpiderMan, a guy who is strong enough to lift 20 tons However, I thought it made sense that Capt was able to beat Spidey because he's a superior fighter with more battle/tactical experience and Spidey was probably holding back as well. Also, Spidey is a high school kid and only had his powers for 6 months, so he's really green.

Yes I thought the fight was done really well, Spidey did get to shine but was still bested by Cap because he was holding back, his heart wasn't really "into" beating these guys and he was just kind of having fun. That said I am very glad that Cap won due to his tactics and not because he actually went toe to toe physically against Spidey.

Thanos is next on Capt's list, then Galactus, The Living Tribunal, and finally, he takes down TOAA with his bare hands.

Sounds about right.

 

[Victοr]

Thanos is next on Capt's list, then Galactus, The Living Tribunal, and finally, he takes down TOAA with his bare hands.

Well, he still has to take down DOOM (!). Because, as we all know, DOOM is above...well, The One Above All (there's really no way around saying that...).

 

[GodzillaSpawn]

How so? Comic Cap (at least up until Heroes Reborn which is when I stopped reading) could never run as fast as a car or stop a helicopter from taking off by simply grabbing it. The super-soldier serum in the comics gave him peak human strength and speed, not superhuman strength and speed. Steve grabbing Bucky's chopper was a John Walker feat of strength.

He even got the best of Spider-Man in Civil War, SPIDER-MAN, so he certainly isn't under-powered. Spidey is freakishly fast and strong. Though I actually love how they did it in the movie. Turning the momentum against Spidey and getting out of the webs through a martial arts counter-grappling technique. THAT was awesome. Because Cap traditionally isn't about being the strongest, fastest, or toughest guy in the room. He's basically an Olympic track star and power lifter rolled into one with an indestructible shield and fighting technique second to none.

In the 80's he fought Iron Man several times and I was always pissed that IM always got the upper hand. Cap would be all, "I can't use this shield you gave me, I'll fight with my bare hands instead" and then get his ass handed to him or once when he DID use his shield another guy needed help mid-fight and when he went to help the guy Stark came up behind Steve and paralyzed him with electric shocks from his gauntlet. Grrr. I never was granted a satisfying rematch. But thanks to the Russo Bros...vindication!

They could have titled this movie "Captain America 3: Cap owns the Marvel Universe" because he did! Got the best of Spider-Man, got the support of all the coolest Avengers, he had the wherewithal to recognize the real threat and then in the one fight between heroes that wasn't some misunderstanding that was broken up by a third party or distraction but was rather a true no holds barred "simply fight until the other guy is down for the count" between Cap and Iron Man and Cap won!

That is the biggest "Alpha Superhero" moment we've had in the entire MCU. Who's next? Thor? The Hulk? [emoji38] Cap took down the headline guy of the entire MCU, the foundational hero upon which everything that followed was built. Cap has utterly and truly arrived and is THE man now. No more "Call it Captain," or "Technically he's the boss" of Stark granting Steve top dog privileges.

I've always considered Cap to be boosted up to superhuman after the serum. His strength rivals Black Panther whom is enhanced and is even more knowledgeable in martial arts. He was able to chop Ultrons adamantium neck in half and shatter Iron Man's extremist armor. He's tackles enemies through walls and concrete. Dodges bullets and overpowers Beast. He beat an entire room of superhuman Asgardian trolls. He dodges cross bones energy attacks at point blank range. He clearly has superhuman durability when Warrior Woman punched him into the sky and he somersaulted onto a plane. He outran Atlaentiabs whom are far beyond any peak human. He withstood a fall of 200 feet easily. He jumped out if helicopters and left craters with his feet in the ground. Took a beating from Namor. He has pulled down a helicopter with two men inside with enough force that they came flying out the windsheild. Easily pushes a statue that weighs a ton by like it was nothing. These are just a few feats of his in a whole long list of others. He's superhuman as far as I'm concerned.

I think everybody at the airport was lucky they were facing a raw, inexperienced Spider-Man. Spidey is the hero that even Cap claims will be greater than them all.

And we disagree about the end as well. Tony could have ended Caps night earlier multiple times. And had his suit programmed to pummel Cap. It was only the repeated interference or distraction of Bucky that stopped Iron Man from putting him down for good and allowing him to grapple him from behind at the end.

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[GodzillaSpawn]

I thought Spidey was TOO strong in CW as he gave Cap a good run for his money-

Spidey can beat everybody in the scene when he's not fighting like it's his first day on the job.

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[Victοr]

I think everybody at the airport was lucky they were facing a raw, inexperienced Spider-Man. Spidey is the hero that even Cap claims will be greater than them all.

Truth. People downplay Spider-Man all the time, but the dude is dangerous. He's a super genius AND a physical threat. Anyone who thinks that Spider-Man's a low-level guy, clearly doesn't know what he/she's talking about. We're talking about the guy who lifted a building while hurt AF, scored the same as Reed Richards, got a Cosmic Cube to work, has tech that even Stark can't trace, has webbing that can immobilize Wolverine and Iron Man and many more. Sure, he's no Thor or Bleeding Edge/Superior Iron Man level, but Spider-Man is well above Captain America, not to mention the internet's favourite, Batman. That battle is so mitchmatched, it's not even funny.