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https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/24/civil-war-spider-man-2-and-the-dangers-of-assumed-empathy good read, sums up a lot of my thoughts about this movie
Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)
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jye4ever
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You read comics? Who knew.I assumed that since you hated animation that that translated to funny books as well.
You know what it is, cartoons and comic books were the only way I could live out my superhero fantasies, that's why I even tolerated bad cartoons because I still got to see our heroes do incredible stuff.
Now with modern filmaking I no longer need to waste my time with cartoons and comic books.
It's really that simple.
No argument from me
GasparZizou
Super Freak
I don't know if I agree or not becuase all caps hurt brain.
LexiKon318
Super Freak
To be fair it wasn't Reed's fault the ship blew up, loyalists to the Red King on that planet were the ones who caused it.
Ropen
Super Freak
Whenever I have questions like this I play Marvel vs Capcom 2 and use Maximum Spider against captain america
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Mad Old Lu
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Good article but I disagree with a lot of it. I do agree with his comments about the villains not being well executed. Certainly Doc Ock is the best example of a great villain in a great movie. I love Spiderman 2. I think Loki has been the best villain because he is certainly the most complex and has had the most character development. I think the Marvel movies could benefit from paying more attention to the bad guys.
The points he makes about the airport scene makes sense, but it’s really a criticism against the concept of all these hero vs hero movies and comics in general. Of course we don’t really want heroes to kill each other. I certainly don’t. I’ve always thought it was a stupid idea and I’ll never understand its appeal. So the only way around heroes not killing each other is for them to “rough-house” like he says, which then kinda loses any kind of drama or danger. But like I said, that’s a criticism towards the idea of heroes vs heroes and shouldn’t necessarily be held against this movie in particular. It’s funny, it’s almost like the author is having an epiphany about that in his article, but he’s not quite making the full connection to the idea as a whole which has existed forever practically, and is only blaming the movie.
His comment about assuming empathy for Bucky in particular is also valid, but that only points out how poorly the character was handled in the first Cap movie, which also can’t be held against the WS and CW movies. That’s all on hack Joe Johnston’s shoulders. Yeah, I said it! Joe Johnston is a hack!
WS tried to help his character a little by having the flashback scene of Bucky with Steve after his mother’s funeral. Personally I think that scene went a long way and was more effective to me than the whole Cap:FA!For the record, I love Cap’s love note to Tony in the end. To me, that is a true sign of a hero. Cap’s willingness to be above all the petty infighting for the greater good, and his understanding of Tony’s feelings shows true strength of character. Same with Tony. He definitely figured out he was wrong and was also willing to put his personal views aside to help Cap (before he found out about the WS and his parents). And I get the impression when Tony was reading the letter that he was on the path of healing and forgiveness too.
So yeah, going forward with the Marvel movies, I would love for more time to be paid to the villains. Spiderman 2 did it great, and I think the X-Men movies (the 4 good ones, anyway) have done it well too.
You read comics? Who knew.
Actually it was Mark Millar. And yeah, the beginning had promise but things escalated WAY too quickly between the heroes. I've come to the realization that I just don't care for much of anything in the Marvel Comic Universe from the time of Quesada as Editor in Chief and later. The new guard of Bendis, Millar, and Brubaker just weren't/aren't my thing. People say that the 90's were the worst era in comics but at least that decade got the characters right. Brubaker's run on Cap was well written from an espionage thriller standpoint but his take on Cap was inferior to what came before. Don't even get me started on Millar.
I feel like Marvel Comics got very mean spirited when Millar and company came aboard. Cap is often depressed, Stark is totally unlikable, Reed Richards is constantly getting people killed (Thor robot he made kills Goliath, ship for the Hulk blows up half his damn planet, killing his queen) Spider-Man makes deals with the devil, etc. Everyone is constantly ****ing everybody else, either in combat or between the sheets and the whole "heroic" universe just turned into this dark and smutty place. It seems like all the heroes just crossed lines that you can't come back from on the Quesada, Bendis, and Millar's watch and so I dismiss the whole thing.
They did have some decent plot ideas though, and I'm glad people who have a better grasp of the characters are redoing those as films (Winter Soldier/Civil War.)
I like the idea of having "new" stories to look forward to but I've got decades of great reading from the 60's to the 90's and that is enough.
Locate the Marvel Knights series of titles..that's the last real good fudge
Did you read Daredevil?
No, Punisher was the only Marvel Knights title I read.
Daredevil was the best book to come out of it
Hmm, if I had to recommend 5 books Post-2000, I'd go with:
Marvel Only Version:
1) Fraction's Invincible Iron Man: Jesus Christ, this book. It's gorgeous, gut-wrenching, heartwarming, emotional, it's all of that and more. If you want to read about a Tony Stark who's not a carbon copy/poor imitation of RDJ (like the current one), that's the book for you. It's easily in my Top 5 comic runs ever made. If you read just one thing from this whole list, make sure that's it.
2) Ellis' Thunderbolts: The Ellis issues are about 10, but they're some of the most tense comics ever. From Tomy Lee Jones as Norman Osborn being a nutso who indulges himself in a sea of narcotics, to the mnipulative Karla, to the straight-up terrifying Bullseye and the cannibalistic Venom, it's a book full of messed up mother****ers being evil, while also manipulating the public Post-Civil War, serving as a meta commentary of shorts as well.
3) Hickman's F4/FF: Hickman took the Fantastic Four and made them great again, after some relatively boring runs from other writers. Waid especially destroyed the character of Doom, but Hickman actually made him more interesting by expanding on his relationship with Valeria. If you want a good sci-fi book with great characters and some heartwarming moments, look no further.
4) Hickman's New Avengers: This is a talking book first and foremost, and you will have some questions if you skip his Avengers run, plus his Infinity event, but the story is so engaging that it makes up for it. It's filled with hard choices and yes, there is some character assasination in there, but as a standalone story, it's damn punch in the gut.
5) Ellis' Moon Knight: Alright that's a short one. It's just 6 issues, and it's very light on plot, but the visuals are gorgeous and grim, and the action, the panels, it's all awesome. If I had to compare it to a movie, it'd be something like a psychological thriller with tons of WTF imagery. Kinda like "Enemy"...
Honorable Mention: Ellis' Nextwave. There's no plot, characterization or ultimate goal. It's a team called "The Homosexuality" taking on a horny robot man who likes beer, and a Nick Fury Lite suicidal director raving about his mother while throwing baby koalas from a plane. It's pure bonkers, and that's why it's sooo good.
General Version:
1) East of West: It's a new title (2013), but it's still going strong and it's damn interesting, while also being gorgeous to look at.
2) Snyder's Batman: It did have some missteps, but it's generally great.
3) Fraction's Invincible Iron Man: See above.
4) Planetery: It's Fantastic Four meets Fringe. It's great, buy it.
5) The Authority: Cheating, I know, but it's the damn Authority. Go out there and buy it, you won't regret it.
Honorable Mention: Cheating again, but whatever Hellboy related. It's gold. That's all.
Marvel Only Version:
1) Fraction's Invincible Iron Man: Jesus Christ, this book. It's gorgeous, gut-wrenching, heartwarming, emotional, it's all of that and more. If you want to read about a Tony Stark who's not a carbon copy/poor imitation of RDJ (like the current one), that's the book for you. It's easily in my Top 5 comic runs ever made. If you read just one thing from this whole list, make sure that's it.
2) Ellis' Thunderbolts: The Ellis issues are about 10, but they're some of the most tense comics ever. From Tomy Lee Jones as Norman Osborn being a nutso who indulges himself in a sea of narcotics, to the mnipulative Karla, to the straight-up terrifying Bullseye and the cannibalistic Venom, it's a book full of messed up mother****ers being evil, while also manipulating the public Post-Civil War, serving as a meta commentary of shorts as well.
3) Hickman's F4/FF: Hickman took the Fantastic Four and made them great again, after some relatively boring runs from other writers. Waid especially destroyed the character of Doom, but Hickman actually made him more interesting by expanding on his relationship with Valeria. If you want a good sci-fi book with great characters and some heartwarming moments, look no further.
4) Hickman's New Avengers: This is a talking book first and foremost, and you will have some questions if you skip his Avengers run, plus his Infinity event, but the story is so engaging that it makes up for it. It's filled with hard choices and yes, there is some character assasination in there, but as a standalone story, it's damn punch in the gut.
5) Ellis' Moon Knight: Alright that's a short one. It's just 6 issues, and it's very light on plot, but the visuals are gorgeous and grim, and the action, the panels, it's all awesome. If I had to compare it to a movie, it'd be something like a psychological thriller with tons of WTF imagery. Kinda like "Enemy"...
Honorable Mention: Ellis' Nextwave. There's no plot, characterization or ultimate goal. It's a team called "The Homosexuality" taking on a horny robot man who likes beer, and a Nick Fury Lite suicidal director raving about his mother while throwing baby koalas from a plane. It's pure bonkers, and that's why it's sooo good.
General Version:
1) East of West: It's a new title (2013), but it's still going strong and it's damn interesting, while also being gorgeous to look at.
2) Snyder's Batman: It did have some missteps, but it's generally great.
3) Fraction's Invincible Iron Man: See above.
4) Planetery: It's Fantastic Four meets Fringe. It's great, buy it.
5) The Authority: Cheating, I know, but it's the damn Authority. Go out there and buy it, you won't regret it.
Honorable Mention: Cheating again, but whatever Hellboy related. It's gold. That's all.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
I was just about to post that. I would die laughing if Marvel actually goes through with this and gives Cap a boyfriend. The uproar from the fans would be quite a sight
I ship him with Midnighter, universe be damned. Bucky x Nat 4 EVER! Boy oh boy, shipping is sooo fun! Kidding aside, nah, I don't see it. Cap and Buck have a strong bromance, that's it. Or I think so...
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