Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You comparing SW to Twilight? Fight me!

I'm not saying that SW and Twilight are the same in terms of quality, just that even though "Wrath of Khan" is better than "Twilight", the ST films didn't have the same impact in pop culture that Twilight had a few years ago.

In fact, the Twilight films were also more financially successful than the current ST films, including the 2009 reboot, which got better reviews than "A New Hope"and ROTJ according to Rotten Tomatoes. Regardless of how financially successful Twilight was, and how popular those films became, none of that means that they are better than Wrath of Khan as a film, imo.

Therefore, to suggest that just because SW had more of a cultural impact than Wrath of Khan did somehow means that its better solely on that fact, it's not necessarily true, since lesser films also beat the Star Trek films in popularity, yet they aren't better.

 

[jye4ever]

Twilight and Trek have come and been forgotten.

Homeless people think of shelter, food and SW.

 

[ironwez20]

Ah yes I remember twilight. Haha it's funny how that use to be such a huge thing and now it's pretty much non existent. Not like Harry Potter which even though it ended you still see it around every now and then and hear about it with twilight it pretty much died after the last movie.

 

[ironwez20]

I don't get the whole SW vs ST rivalry?

Besides, everyone knows Dr. Who owns them all

Well you see Star Wars and Star Trek both have star in the name so people just sort of pit them against each other.

Only reason I can think of

 

[a-dev]

I'm not saying that SW and Twilight are the same in terms of quality, just that even though "Wrath of Khan" is better than "Twilight", the ST films didn't have the same impact in pop culture that Twilight had a few years ago.

In fact, the Twilight films were also more financially successful than the current ST films, including the 2009 reboot, which got better reviews than "A New Hope"and ROTJ according to Rotten Tomatoes. Regardless of how financially successful Twilight was, and how popular those films became, none of that means that they are better than Wrath of Khan as a film, imo.

Therefore, to suggest that just because SW had more of a cultural impact than Wrath of Khan did somehow means that its better solely on that fact, it's not necessarily true, since lesser films also beat the Star Trek films in popularity, yet they aren't better.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Twilight and Trek have come and been forgotten.

So were the Godfather films and The LOTR trilogy, but I don't see what that has to do with SW being better. SW is faaar more popular than ST, that's not debatable. All I'm saying is that popularity doesn't make something better. It's all subjective anyway...it doesn't matter.

I like ST and SW equally. However, DC and Marvel are my #1

For me it goes like this

1. DC/Marvel

2. Terminator

3. TMNT

4. ST/SW

5. LOTR

 

[batfan08]

So, wait; what are we talking about here? Franchises, movies, in general; what?

 

[RIDDICK]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

^^

So, wait; what are we talking about here? Franchises, movies, in general; what?

My little list there is franchise/in general...hence, TMNT , DC/Marvel, and Star Trek.

 

[batfan08]

 

[jye4ever]

As excellent as the LOTR movies are, they don't come close to what SW OT did to cinema and society in general.

Not Wizard of Oz, King Kong or Godfather accomplished what SW did.

 

[batfan08]

As excellent as the LOTR movies are, they don't come close to what SW OT did to cinema and society in general.

Not Wizard of Oz, King Kong or Godfather accomplished what SW did.

There was no Jar Jar in The Wizard of Oz, King Kong, or Godfather. Your argument is invalid.

 

[jye4ever]

I wrote SW OT.

**** da policechlorians!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

“Star Trek softened up the entertainment arena so that Star Wars could come along and stand on its shoulders. There was an effective group of people in the beginning who accepted it..that it wasn't that far out. For the studios it was way far out, [they said] 'what is this?', but there was a fanbase out there -- primarily the Star Trek fanbase -- who understood sci-fi, understood visual sci-fi, and was ready for something like this (Star Wars) to be in the feature arena." - George Lucas

Like Jor-el said. "The son becomes the father and the father becomes the son".

Star Trek helped to make Star Wars possible, then Star Wars influenced JJ Abrams' take on Star Trek, and that led him to do the new Star Wars film.

 

[batfan08]

I wrote SW OT.

**** da policechlorians!

What, exactly, did Star Wars accomplish? Filling audiences with a sense of wonder? Superman made people believe a man could fly, The Wizard of Oz transported individuals into a world of color; I'd say that those also created a sense of wonder.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The special effects were SW contribution to cinema because in an era of realistic films, Lucas made a fantasy space movie, and there was nothing like it, which opened the door for more films like that, but just like SW stood on ST shoulders, other films have done the same with SW. Films like the LOTR trilogy. To this day, Return of the King is the greatest cinematic achievement of all time because it excels in every single category, and I'm not even a huge LOTR fan.

 

[batfan08]

The special effects were SW contribution to cinema because in an era of realistic films, Lucas made a fantasy space movie, and there was nothing like it, which opened the door for more films like that, but just like SW stood on ST shoulders, other films have done the same with SW. Films like the LOTR trilogy. To this day, Return of the King is the greatest cinematic achievement of all time because it excels in every single category, and I'm not even a huge LOTR fan.

Again, though, look at The Wizard of Oz; look at the films that surrounded it, and all that it accomplished during that time. The point is that this is all subjective. You, or Jye, or even I can't objectively say that one film is superior to another, because film is art and art is subjective. Hell, you could say that Kurosawa's work was the most influential of all time, as its effects were felt in films ranging from Star Wars to The Magnificent Seven; the list goes on and on.

 

[KitFisto]

Twilight and Trek have come and been forgotten.

Homeless people think of shelter, food and SW.

To claim that ST has been forgotten is completely absurd. It may not be your cup of tea, but millions of ST fans still watch the movies, series, attend conventions and buy merch.

 

[WWEJedi]

To claim that ST has been forgotten is completely absurd. It may not be your cup of tea, but millions of ST fans still watch the movies, series, attend conventions and buy merch.

 

[batfan08]

To claim that ST has been forgotten is completely absurd. It may not be your cup of tea, but millions of ST fans still watch the movies, series, attend conventions and buy merch.

Exactly. People tend to forget that all of this stuff works in stages. After the PT, people were all too happy to forget about Star Wars, and they filled that void with an endless barrage of Superhero films. Now, those films have had such a strong hold on the cultural zeitgeist that people are eager to embrace the prospect of pure, unadulterated Sci-Fi, once again.

Give it time, though; eventually, we'll have one too many Star Wars or Avatar films, or whatever new property is being hyped at that time, and we'll move onto the next big thing (I'm hoping we see a resurgence in Westerns within the next few decades), and it'll start all over again, until we're, once again, excited to see Superhero films and Star Wars movies.