Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019

[JAWS]

The T2 reference was much more obvious in that version of the scene.

Yeah.. I don't think I thought of T2 the first time I saw the film.. No hiding it there.

 

[SilverStar17]

To me, it’s no different than what Reeve’s Superman did to Rocky in the diner at the end of Superman II and I view it as being simply nothing more than humor in a superhero film, in the sense that the perpetrator has no clue they are trying to bully a superhero, regardless of what gender they are. Same as the scene in MoS where the guy in the bar tried to push Clark only to find that he might as well have been pushing a brick wall, then later found his truck demolished. However, the media being so giddy over it and interpreting it as standing up to and fighting “toxic masculinity,” is pretty pathetic.

Because it is so empowering to watch a woman with superpowers physically hurt and then threaten to break a man's hand, and steal his motorcycle and jacket because he said something rude to her. So empowering.

 

[The Buffinator]

Please tell me we’re not going to analyze/debate this to death - after all, it’s a deleted scene. If we’re going to criticize them for filming it, we should also give them points for having the good sense to edit it down to something less egregious.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[SilverStar17]

I’m not maligning the film makers for filming it. I actually thought it was a humorous scene.

 

[jimcap]

Please tell me we’re not going to analyze/debate this to death - after all, it’s a deleted scene. If we’re going to criticize them for filming it, we should also give them points for having the good sense to edit it down to something less egregious.

Yes, I will give them points for not using the scene. But someone through it was a good idea to film it in the first place. So it's a wash!

 

[The Buffinator]

I’m not maligning the film makers for filming it. I actually thought it was a humorous scene.

Yes, but I think it works better when it's an unfeeling T-800 with no moral compass; when it's a superhero (even one with Kree-induced amnesia), it sends the wrong message, her basically being a bully and stealing the guy's motorcycle (which I think is the same point you made). His being a ********* was no excuse for her to act in the same manner. By editing it down, the viewer can at least pretend she would eventually return the bike & clothes to their rightful owners.

 

[ShadowX81]

Yes, but I think it works better when it's an unfeeling T-800 with no moral compass; when it's a superhero (even one with Kree-induced amnesia), it sends the wrong message, her basically being a bully and stealing the guy's motorcycle (which I think is the same point you made). His being a ********* was no excuse for her to act in the same manner. By editing it down, the viewer can at least pretend she would eventually return the bike & clothes to their rightful owners.

Like the truck Cap stole in The Winter Soldier.

 

[SilverStar17]

Yes, but I think it works better when it's an unfeeling T-800 with no moral compass; when it's a superhero (even one with Kree-induced amnesia), it sends the wrong message, her basically being a bully and stealing the guy's motorcycle (which I think is the same point you made). His being a ********* was no excuse for her to act in the same manner. By editing it down, the viewer can at least pretend she would eventually return the bike & clothes to their rightful owners.

I would agree, which is why I mentioned I considered it as being no different than the ending diner scene in Superman II where the beloved and morally upstanding Reeve Superman went back to that diner for literally no other reason than to beat someone up, thus causing damage to that diner. I suppose my point is that if there’s anyone who’s going to get offended by a deleted scene based on the premise that it’s not how a superhero with a moral compass should act, then I’d expect them to take just as much umbrage to that Superman II ending diner scene. I’m all for bullying the bullies in order to protect someone else who’s being bullied, but I would agree that there’s nothing admirable about possessing superior strength and bullying someone else simply because you know you can, especially if you’re supposed to possess a moral compass.

I believe we are indeed making the same point though.

An additional point of mine was that I think many of those type of scenes are thrown in for humor from an inside joke standpoint in that the person in the film doesn’t know who they’re dealing with, but of course the audience knows, and that’s generally how I simply take those scenes without looking too much into it. If one is going to analyze it further though, I concur there’s nothing admirable nor empowering about scenes like that, so I do think they made the right call not including this scene in its entirety in the CM film. I felt the end diner scene was a needless scene in Superman II, and while I think they could have handled it better in MoS with regards to Clark destroying the truck, I don’t think it was as egregious as this CM scene apparently could have been, or the Superman II diner scene.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It does seem to undermine the "pick on someone your own size" ideal.

 

[Khev]

I agree that the extended scene doesn't give off the greatest vibe and that Brie Larson herself is unlikable AF however I do think that people who are against her are over-reacting about this silly bit.

One headline I see even says "Captain Marvel tortures innocent man" or something like that. Good grief.

Nobody complained when Gamora kneed Star-Lord in the groin for simply walking up and talking to her. I guess it's okay as long as it's done by a likable actress. And I remember watching Predator 2 opening night back in 1990 and people laughed when Maria Conchita Alonso grabbed Bill Paxton's nuts and brought him to his knees for the simple sin of casually hitting on her. It was a throw-away scene and nothing more. People are so freaking uptight these days.

 

[ShadowX81]

I guess it's okay as long as it's done by a likable [person].

Unfortunately, this rule is one of the saddest facts of life.

 

[Khev]

Unfortunately, this rule is one of the saddest facts of life.

Very true. Hypocrisy is rampant these days.

 

[SilverStar17]

Most people are tribal these days.

 

[Zurdo95D]

 

[ironwez20]

Why tho?

 

[ZE_501]

It does seem to undermine the "pick on someone your own size" ideal.

People like to see comeuppance. Often, when a fictional character like Motorcycle Guy tips his hand as a bully/dirtbag/jerk, they forfeit their personhood (as regards fair treatment and rights) in order for the audience to witness a satisfying and cathartic comeuppance.

You can argue that it runs against the grain of fairness, due process and the 'great responsibility' trope but we all like to see bullies laid low.

 

[Zurdo95D]

 

[Otomofan]

 

[Captain Clown]

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