galactiboy
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It hasn't been locked yet... but I can feel it coming 
Child Refuses to Speak the Pledge Due to Unequal Rights For Gays
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ProgMatinee
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this is a social issue, not a political issue, so hopefully no lock is needed.
and my comment about liberals was not a political comment, its about social liberals. "Utopians" is not yet a political party.
and my comment about liberals was not a political comment, its about social liberals. "Utopians" is not yet a political party.
Cloud
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Completely OT but...doesn't "free radicals" sound like the name of a hippie organization? 
LChinoz
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Clearly the Bill of Rights states our rights as Americans. But the issue is not about that, to me it is about whether there is an unevenness in the way we treat a certain section of society. When I talk about rights, I simply mean everything you and I are free and able to do, every American citizen should be free and able to do.
In getting down to the marriage issue, I personally think that we should give gay couples the same rights as other couples, call it whatever you want, and move on.
LChinoz
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this is a social issue, not a political issue, so hopefully no lock is needed.
and my comment about liberals was not a political comment, its about social liberals. "Utopians" is not yet a political party.
I agree that hopefully we can keep this thing unlocked. However, I do not think that most people on welfare are socially liberal, in fact, I would be surprised if this was the case.
the gays are always so dramatic..
I could give a ???? either way what they get and dont..
I could give a ???? either way what they get and dont..
Eli26
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Nobody pwned me.
Ween is still an ass, but an ass I like.
pixletwin, is just an ???????. But he's a good guy!
Ween is still an ass, but an ass I like.
pixletwin, is just an ???????. But he's a good guy!
I am a group of question marks? 
I have been called worse.
I have been called worse.
Eli26
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I am a group of question marks?
I have been called worse.
Shutup you ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????!!!
creecher
Such is Life - Ned Kelly
"And what would have been a minor classroom incident has people throughout Arkansas and beyond choosing sides."
It's not surprising. A 10 year old stands up to the ambiguity of his nations pride, as can be seen in the poll, and an adult, who should have known better, tries to indoctrinate him through recitation, when he is clearly exercising his rights. The teacher could be seen as having abused the child through her persistence, and repeated shaming of the child. Then the principle has the audacity to tell the mother that an apology isn't necessary. Who took the education out of the education system? At least the lad was given the freedom to think for himself. It sure didn't work for those charged with his care. The result of their years of previous indoctrination perhaps?
It's not surprising. A 10 year old stands up to the ambiguity of his nations pride, as can be seen in the poll, and an adult, who should have known better, tries to indoctrinate him through recitation, when he is clearly exercising his rights. The teacher could be seen as having abused the child through her persistence, and repeated shaming of the child. Then the principle has the audacity to tell the mother that an apology isn't necessary.
Who took the education out of the education system? At least the lad was given the freedom to think for himself. It sure didn't work for those charged with his care. The result of their years of previous indoctrination perhaps?
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ProgMatinee
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I think the unwillingness to seperate a "right" from a "privledge" weakens the Bill of Rights. You do that and its a slippery slope IMO into what you allow people to claim as their "right".
Just because some people have a privledge doesn't make it everyone's right, especially when that privledge was designed and created to represent a standard in which by definition those now demanding it don't even believe in. It weakens the meaning of the privledge.
I'm only speaking in terms of "marriage". I'm not arguing against coupling or living together. Hell, I'm not even really against a new word being invented to convey the meaning. However, IMO, "marriage" is a term coined by and for 1 man + 1 woman relationships. (To be clear, I don't consider 1 man + 3 woman to be "marriages" either, neither does the US government.) To use "marriage" to mean otherwise bastardizes the word for everyone.
No matter what his reasoning for not standing up to pledge. He is doing something HE feels is right for him. Whether he's defending gays, or any other thing in this world, doesn't matter. What matters is he goes for what he wants, and stands up for what he believes. For that, I support the kid.
And I agree with him.
And I agree with him.
LChinoz
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Which is why I said give them the same rights as heterosexual couples and call it whatever you want. As long as the rights are the same (eg: hospital visitation, etc.) then everything else is an afterthought.
One thing is for sure, I don't think this kid should be ridiculed for what he did.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
I agree and I say if some other kid feels its his right to pray outloud before eating his lunch he should be allowed as well.
Public schools are government institutions that should not punish someone for using their 1st Amendment right.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
I agree with that. But the government doesn't run hospitals or insurance companies, etc...yet. Those companies can make their policies whatever they want. "Rights" are for the government to follow, not businesses.
Anyway, I think the dad and son need a dictionary and civics lessons, because "liberty and justice" are not related to either straight or gay marriage because not being married isn't a crime that needs "justice" and actually I find marriage in itself to take away my liberties.
Also if "marriage" is a right does that mean the government is required to find wives or husbands for all the freaks and losers out there?
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galactiboy
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And on the other hand to create a separate category for same-sex couples (to me) would suggest that they are not as viable or important creating a nice second-class citizen situation.
As a political or social issue, in America to be married involves gaining number of very important rights that same-sex couples are denied; able to make medical decisions, custody of children, inheritence, etc., etc. I think for many that is a central issue...
From the Human Rights Campaign:
LChinoz
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I agree...and I assume you are fine with a Muslim or Hindu kid doing so as well.
agen_kolar
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Gay rights should be nationwide and shouldn't be left up to the states to decide. On the flip side, churches and such shouldn't be forced to perform gay marriages if it is against their beliefs. However, it should be legal everywhere, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Kudos to the kid, even if it wasn't his idea.
Kudos to the kid, even if it wasn't his idea.
LChinoz
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Marriage is already bastarized... your argument almost assumes that all married couples enter into marriage full of understanding and appreciation
As a political or social issue, in America to be married involves gaining number of very important rights that same-sex couples are denied; able to make medical decisions, custody of children, inheritence, etc., etc. I think for many that is a central issue...
From the Human Rights Campaign:
I agree with everything you say, but it's going to take steps. I will be happy when my gay friends are given the same rights as other married couples. The term "marriage" has origins that will always be debated, and someone will say they have a monopoly on the term.
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