CW Green Arrow series, "Arrow"

[EVILFACE]

Looks like might be. And they need to give Diggle a better outfit.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

So much needs to be worked on this. Show has burned for a while now.

 

[Cryoguns]

OK, so I've been catching up on the last few episodes that I DVR'd, and I have got to get this off my chest about this gaping plot hole...

Spoiler

OK, Project Rubicon and Genesis...What the HELL???

1) So, someone magically managed to create a SINGLE computer chip which somehow is a perfect back door into EVERY nuclear weapon silo in the the entire world, no matter what country they are in, how their systems were designed, and COMPLETELY bypasses any physical failsafes invented, with the capability to shut down a launch, or arm and launch warheads. And every single silo was based upon the EXACT same computer language that ONLY Felicity's dad can hack. Huh. Well, this is a universe that has technology which can shrink people and make people with broken spines walk again, so OK...what the hell, let's say it could be done...

2) Said chip arms and activates EVERY nuclear weapon in the world, and then commences with a TWENTY HOUR COUNTDOWN? I'm reasonably sure that in the real world if we had to launch a retaliatory nuclear strike, we wouldn't have to warm them up for TWENTY HOURS beforehand. Crap...North Korea just launched an ICBM at us? Shoot...we'll get our revenge tomorrow after our nukes warm up. (That's kind of the cornerstone of "mutually assured destruction" and why the world has never caved to nuclear armegeddon, right?) But let's say that Damien Darkh is enough of an idiot to WANT a twenty hour countdown in the typical moronic way that the bad guy monologues his plans to the hero when he thinks victory is at his fingertips...which then leaves him open for #3:

3) Nuclear weapons preparing to launch without authorization, and silos FULL of technicians that are responsible for maintaining, repairing, and in general WORKING on these systems as part of their daily duties. Yet in TWENTY hours' time, NOT ONE of these groups of morons can say "Wait a minute, the big cheese didn't give us an OK to launch a NUCLEAR WARHEAD today, maybe we ought to go out and disarm it? To, y'know...prevent worldwide annihilation?" Of course not. Apparently every country has a military force consisting of nothing but chefs and NO ONE IN A NUCLEAR MISSILE SILO WOULD POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO DISARM THEIR OWN WARHEAD!

I could go into it more (Oh, within a few seconds, we magically stopped EVERY nuclear weapon launch EXCEPT one (so Felicity can blame herself for nuking Podunk, USA and drama drama drama next season as she continues the pity party) and really, someone built an ENTIRE CITY under Starling City and we never noticed? (Thank goodness that doesn't require...oh, a crapton of resources or anything.)

OK, so any superhero movie/show has a certain level you should suspend your disbelief (It's MAGIC! We can shrink a man to the size of an ant! We can resurrect people! It's Time Travel! I gained superpowers from radiation), but don't treat your audience like idiots. I can get there on those kinds of things...but this was some of the worst, laziest, most contrived writing I've ever seen in a series that deserves and has normally done better.

Blah.

 

[bonestockbrz]

I salute you brave souls that still watch this show . My admiration as it's utterly awful and getting progressively worse...and I quit watching before episode 2

 

[Magpie 7]

Well DC and the retarded writers strike back....

Slade/Deathstroke turned into a love struck psycho then cut out from the show, Floyd/Deadshot killed off, a decent concept of Bane thrown away, Suicide Squad thrown away and all because DC has said they're off limits.

So the writers with their hands tied try and come up with a formula that can work after so much was set up then can't be used now and fail miserably.

Is there any surprise Katie Cassidy wanted to be written out? Unless Berlanti and co go to war with the idiots at DC and allow them to treat viewers with an ounce of intelligence, people know the difference between a film version and a tv version...then Arrow and eventually The Flash will be ruined forever.

 

[Johnny1378]

Yeah. They're argument for keeping the television and movie universes separate was that both could supposedly co-exist. But that seems completely disingenuous, if their aim all along was to eliminate any tv universe character, once they decided to use that same character on the big screen (with the possible exception of The Flash, I guess).

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Do you think that's why the tv people create Legends of Tomorrow, a show that has a bunch of characters that will most likely never appear on the big screen?

 

[Magpie 7]

I can't see Savage, Hawkgirl, Rip Hunter and A.T.O.M. being used in cinema, let alone White Canary and the Time Masters. The only ones that would fit are Captain Cold and Heatwave but that's more down to their brilliant portrayal by Wentworth Miller and Dominic Purcell than great writing and of course Firestorm who wouldn't look out of place in the upcoming Justice League movie.

What's even more questionable is DC's refusal to use Green Lantern on Arrowverse even though no GL movie is even planned. The number of to writers who have quit the show since season 2 or just write for Flash is a telling sign of the way things are going.

 

[EVILFACE]

Arrow writers shouldn't have bothered with using Batman villains. Maybe use ummmmm those of Green Arrow?

Green Lantern Coprs movie is planned.

 

[Johnny1378]

Do you think that's why the tv people create Legends of Tomorrow, a show that has a bunch of characters that will most likely never appear on the big screen?

I do think that that probably factored into the character choice for that show. I would think most, if not all, of those characters are low priority for use in the movies, right now.

 

[Magpie 7]

The big CW rumour to come out of SDCC was that Anatoli Knyazev (David Nykl) is returning to the series after Amell threatened to quit if changes weren't made. Amell is said to be hopeful a deal can be done to bring Manu Bennett back into the show to portray the popular Slade Wilson/Deathstroke after DC and Warner Bros seemed to have backed down over their policy of no characters on TV and Film at the same time.

 

[Buttmunch]

Its really hard for DC and WB for use that lame excuse now with Flash having his own TV show and Superman being a guest star on Supergirl. Give Arrow the Suicide Squad back (or maybe their own show?) and let them use more of those movie characters (Batman, Luthor, Wonder Woman, etc)

 

[dragonsleeper]

WB have just kept dropping the ball on their DC properties while Marvel Studios has been smashing theirs out of the park. How can you do that with arguably the more popular characters. I think they are learning having superman appear on supergirl. Now have Batman appear on Arrow. Comic fans have accepted different interpretation of characters through out the years, they will accept different versions of the character in TV and film.

 

[Buttmunch]

They've already acknowledged Batman exists this season when Oliver said the code name "Oracle" was already taken. You can't have Oracle without Batman and the Joker existing. So its only natural to bring them in eventually. Heck, make use of those now useless flashbacks and introduce Batman in one of those like they did Constantine.

 

[Magpie 7]

What worries me is when the Flash stand alone film comes out CW will have to replace Barry Allen, the rumour was that is where the Wally West story is going. In season 3 he's Kid Flash and takes over the mantle of the Flash for season 4.

There's no reason why Slade can't comeback, if WB does a Teen Titans film it'll bomb, it's just not movie material for me. Suicide Squad will have been out for a while and like KGBeast in Batman v Superman the character of Deathstroke will need reinvigorating after a disastrous movie debut...and who better to do that than Manu Bennett?

From what i'm hearing the first half of the season will be like the season 1 with guest villains turning up every week for Oliver to deal with and the big bad in the background ready to unleash chaos after the Xmas break. I think though they made a big mistake killing off the leader of the Royal Flush Gang, they are perfect for a guest villains slot...could they come back with a new leader?

 

[EVILFACE]

Season kicked off well. I enjoyed it.

Was neat seeing Vigilante pop up.....

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I never ever ever ever thought I would see Wild Dog. I only remember the character from the advertisements in the DC comics I collected as a kid because he had a hockey mask. As for the episode, it wasn't too bad, but they're still doing **** that annoys me, and the stink of the last two seasons hasn't stopped festering.

 

[kiwiatlarge]

Thea "Oliver, you killed him.."
Oliver "Hello, remember the last season and a half with you and your blood-lust"

So far I'm half way through episode 1 and it feels more like the Arrow of old.. and so far, not a single Mighty Morphin Power Rangers fight scene.

 

[quadcent]

Don't even know if i'm going to bother and frustrate myself with this series again....

 

[meanstreak]

season premiere is down about 30% from last season in viewers