CW series The Flash

[EVILFACE]

Yea it has to be the real Jay. The current Jay may be some type of clone.

 

[Natalielovecraft]

Yea it has to be the real Jay. The current Jay may be some type of clone.

maybe not a clone , its probably Jay from another universe.
Here's something that came to mind, what if Zoom took the earth 2 Jay's power, caged him , got another Jay from the multiverse, one without any power claiming to be flash from earth 2, saying he lost his power, using the team and caitlin to find a way to make the formula work so he can give it to Zoom to up his powers to the extreme.Being forced by Zoom to do this under threat of death. The only thing is the damage he has due to the formula , maybe Zoom tested it on him to see if it might work. then sent him to make the formula work.

 

[batfan08]

The thing that popped into my head while I was watching it was Jay talking about his helmet, and how it belonged to his father during the Great War. Then, we find that the man in the Iron Mask is using a code POW's used to communicate.

 

[SNIKT1950]

How does this show, week after week, continue to get better?

Another amazing episode tonight.

So who do we think the guy in the mask is? And how does Jay fit in with him?

I'm thinking Zoom IS Hunter which had been posing as Jay the entire time. The guy in the mask is the real Jay.

My guess is Zoom's body was failing so he needed a cure (Velocity 9) & the only way to get it was to pose as Jay Garrick and charm Caitlin into developing it. Now that he has it he's truly invulnerable.

That scene at the end was a show he put on.

 

[EVILFACE]

Good theory.

But the ending would seem like a rehash of the RF attacking Wells.

 

[dw316]

Does the orange and blue lightning differences play into it at all, or if you're a speedster, it changes to whatever you want it to be? Because "Jay Garrick" had the same colors as Barry. Not sure if it is just an aesthetics thing or if it's supposed to be consistent, in which case they're not the same person, but I like how there's all these theories. Love this show's cliffhanger after cliffhanger while progressing the story as a whole, even with subplots.

 

[Natalielovecraft]

Does the orange and blue lightning differences play into it at all, or if you're a speedster, it changes to whatever you want it to be? Because "Jay Garrick" had the same colors as Barry. Not sure if it is just an aesthetics thing or if it's supposed to be consistent, in which case they're not the same person, but I like how there's all these theories. Love this show's cliffhanger after cliffhanger while progressing the story as a whole, even with subplots.

The lightning goes with the color of the lines on the suits, Jay and Barry have yellow lines, Reverse Flash has red, and since Zoom's lines are back, they went with blue to make them pop. It's just all visual aesthetics and has nothing to do with the specific speedster, it's the suits that give out specific color lightning that's all.

 

[CallMeTheDoctor]

My guess is Zoom could be someone else entirely. I feel that Jay Garrick is actually Hunter Zolomon. Trying to fix himself as maybe he couldn't match to the speed of the Flash. He said he was an addict and notice how Jay can only contain his power for so long. Maybe it isn't necessarily that they gave Hunter those time freezing burst powers, but rather Hunter only has burst of speed.

 

[SNIKT1950]

My guess is Zoom could be someone else entirely. I feel that Jay Garrick is actually Hunter Zolomon. Trying to fix himself as maybe he couldn't match to the speed of the Flash. He said he was an addict and notice how Jay can only contain his power for so long. Maybe it isn't necessarily that they gave Hunter those time freezing burst powers, but rather Hunter only has burst of speed.

Thing is, if Zoom is just some random dude it cheapens the significance of his reveal.

Other than Jay, I don't see who else he could be revealed to be that would truly hold some weight.

 

[**16k**]

Thing is, if Zoom is just some random dude it cheapens the significance of his reveal.

Other than Jay, I don't see who else he could be revealed to be that would truly hold some weight.

I'm way behind on the episodes, so what I'm going to write might not make sense with the storyline, but couldn't Zoom be John Wesley Shipp? I read that their silhouette were awfully close on a website. Couldn't he be that Earth Henry Allen. That would have some weight!

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'm way behind on the episodes, so what I'm going to write might not make sense with the storyline, but couldn't Zoom be John Wesley Shipp? I read that their silhouette were awfully close on a website. Couldn't he be that Earth Henry Allen. That would have some weight!

I like the Dad theory alot but the last episode featured three things that point to Jay being Zoom.

Spoiler

1. When Zoom appeared on Earth 2, Jay disappeared on Earth 1.

2. The man in the iron mask who Zoom has prisoner wrote "Jay" in his father's old war language and got really frustrated when Barry told him Jay was alright back on Earth 1.

3. Jay conveniently gives his back to the breach as Zoom phases his arm right through his chest.

 

[Chapter 2099]

After taking it all in, and reading around, I think ScreenRant's theory makes the most sense to me (and it's a pretty clever one that I could definitely see being true):

Earth 2's Jay Garrick is the Zoom 'we know.' But the guy in the mask is the same Jay Garrick from Earth 2 - only from an earlier time, yet same Earth 2.

The Jay we know used to be a speedster like Barry (true), gets addicted to Velocity and loses his powers (true), but in the process becomes mentally unstable, 'creating/becoming' Zoom. In the process of losing his powers though, Jay/Zoom goes back in time, kidnaps his younger self, brings him to his present time and holds him prisoner, harvesting his younger self's cells to keep his powers. During all of this, we have the S1 finale - 'portals' open everywhere. Zoom finds out about Barry and then begins his quest to take even more speed.

And this theory still preserves Hunter Zolomon as a Zoom/Reverse Flash for a season to come, etc. should the writers choose to cease the opportunity.

 

[bonestockbrz]

After taking it all in, and reading around, I think ScreenRant's theory makes the most sense to me (and it's a pretty clever one that I could definitely see being true):

Earth 2's Jay Garrick is the Zoom 'we know.' But the guy in the mask is the same Jay Garrick from Earth 2 - only from an earlier time, yet same Earth 2.

The Jay we know used to be a speedster like Barry (true), gets addicted to Velocity and loses his powers (true), but in the process becomes mentally unstable, 'creating/becoming' Zoom. In the process of losing his powers though, Jay/Zoom goes back in time, kidnaps his younger self, brings him to his present time and holds him prisoner, harvesting his younger self's cells to keep his powers. During all of this, we have the S1 finale - 'portals' open everywhere. Zoom finds out about Barry and then begins his quest to take even more speed.

And this theory still preserves Hunter Zolomon as a Zoom/Reverse Flash for a season to come, etc. should the writers choose to cease the opportunity.

Where is that Alonzo mourning gif when I need it...

 

[Chapter 2099]

Where is that Alonzo mourning gif when I need it...

Is that 'good' gif or a 'bad' gif'?

It was a convincing 3 page article.

 

[bonestockbrz]

The one where he thinks about something then realized it makes sense

 

[WWEJedi]

They have guns and the Flash..... and Zoom frozen on the ground unable to move...... yet they all run away. They could have killed him right then and there..... he is so fast there is no way they could put enough distance between themselves and Zoom to get away anyways once he does break free.

How stupid.

 

[316what]

After taking it all in, and reading around, I think ScreenRant's theory makes the most sense to me (and it's a pretty clever one that I could definitely see being true):

Earth 2's Jay Garrick is the Zoom 'we know.' But the guy in the mask is the same Jay Garrick from Earth 2 - only from an earlier time, yet same Earth 2.

The Jay we know used to be a speedster like Barry (true), gets addicted to Velocity and loses his powers (true), but in the process becomes mentally unstable, 'creating/becoming' Zoom. In the process of losing his powers though, Jay/Zoom goes back in time, kidnaps his younger self, brings him to his present time and holds him prisoner, harvesting his younger self's cells to keep his powers. During all of this, we have the S1 finale - 'portals' open everywhere. Zoom finds out about Barry and then begins his quest to take even more speed.

And this theory still preserves Hunter Zolomon as a Zoom/Reverse Flash for a season to come, etc. should the writers choose to cease the opportunity.

Cease as in stop the opportunity or seize?

 

[Natalielovecraft]

They have guns and the Flash..... and Zoom frozen on the ground unable to move...... yet they all run away. They could have killed him right then and there..... he is so fast there is no way they could put enough distance between themselves and Zoom to get away anyways once he does break free.

How stupid.

you are forgetting that he could have broken from the ice once a bullet shattered its surface , he would have killed everyone on the spot ... that and super lazy writing ...probably the lazy writing is the cause

 

[mikedanger]

They have guns and the Flash..... and Zoom frozen on the ground unable to move...... yet they all run away. They could have killed him right then and there..... he is so fast there is no way they could put enough distance between themselves and Zoom to get away anyways once he does break free.

How stupid.

Well that would make for a pretty boring rest of season 2

 

[Ultron-7]

I dont get how Jay could be Zoom when we've clearly seen them together with no-one else around so no need for to put an act on.