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[thenammagazine]

Sadly we will NEVER see the Tonika sisters. Wayy too many issues with likeness rights and Hasbro has said any attempt in polls or the like are just useless as they cannot make them.

I don't see how that would be an issue as every single actor/actress who's ever been in any of the Star Wars movies has signed away likeness/merchandising rights to Lucas. That was one of the biggest complaints of the core OT cast. Lucas made millions and millions off of merchandising their likenesses while they only saw residuals from the theatrical releases of the films.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, that's one of the points that Carrie Fisher stresses in an interview on the OT Special Edition Collection's extra disc. Apparently something that after 30 years she's STILL bitter about.

 

[Qrest Fourstar]

Likeness rights for the Tonika sisters? Was that Jennifer anistons and Angelina Jloie in those parts? They were two scene fillers that had as much screen time as Yarna. They've given us dozens of other useless characters they could give us them too.

 

[lerath666]

I think the problems with them come across becuase of much of an obvious Cher tribute the designs were.

Also, for The nammagazine :
No harm no foul, after reading more, I will say that I'm convinced you are indeed a Fellow Anon, and My reply to your comment seems to have beentakne in a misunderstood way good sir. I feel you could have done much better.

 

[thenammagazine]

Also, for The nammagazine : No harm no foul, after reading more, I will say that I'm convinced you are indeed a Fellow Anon, and My reply to your comment seems to have beentakne in a misunderstood way good sir. I feel you could have done much better.

Or as the Japanese would say, Otaku.

As for the figures, I seriously doubt if it was even an issue with the Cher likeness. They wouldn't have been permitted to showcase the twins in an internationally distributed film without some form of royalties being paid if that were the case. I think, overall, it was just a lack of interest on the part of Hasbro to release them. Again, Lucas owns the rights to produce ANYTHING and EVERYTHING featured in his films, and the EU which is pretty much proven with this release and others. Though why they'd choose to release the 6-****ied beast over the twins remains a mystery..

 

[agen_kolar]

I don't see how that would be an issue as every single actor/actress who's ever been in any of the Star Wars movies has signed away likeness/merchandising rights to Lucas. That was one of the biggest complaints of the core OT cast. Lucas made millions and millions off of merchandising their likenesses while they only saw residuals from the theatrical releases of the films.

EDIT: As a matter of fact, that's one of the points that Carrie Fisher stresses in an interview on the OT Special Edition Collection's extra disc. Apparently something that after 30 years she's STILL bitter about.

They never got the rights from one of the Tonnika Sisters actresses, I think that the whole "signing away likeness rights" happened post-ANH when they realized how huge Star Wars was going to be. This one actress has threatened to sue or something if they use her likeness without giving her some ungodly amount of money for it. The other actress died recently and never had any problem with Hasbro making a figure of her. It's sad to think that possibly the one actress's stubbornness cause the other to never see herself as an action figure before she died.

 

[lerath666]

Or as the Japanese would say, Otaku.

As for the figures, I seriously doubt if it was even an issue with the Cher likeness. They wouldn't have been permitted to showcase the twins in an internationally distributed film without some form of royalties being paid if that were the case. I think, overall, it was just a lack of interest on the part of Hasbro to release them. Again, Lucas owns the rights to produce ANYTHING and EVERYTHING featured in his films, and the EU which is pretty much proven with this release and others. Though why they'd choose to release the 6-****ied beast over the twins remains a mystery..

Or Weeaboo If you prefer :LOL

However, considering the two, I think Otaku fits better.

 

[thenammagazine]

They never got the rights from one of the Tonnika Sisters actresses, I think that the whole "signing away likeness rights" happened post-ANH when they realized how huge Star Wars was going to be. This one actress has threatened to sue or something if they use her likeness without giving her some ungodly amount of money for it. The other actress died recently and never had any problem with Hasbro making a figure of her. It's sad to think that possibly the one actress's stubbornness cause the other to never see herself as an action figure before she died.

So if that were the case, why not just do an unlikened or generic sculpt of the one who didn't sign away her rights? Collectors would be happy just owning the figure regardless of exact likeness. I can't tell you how many of their Lukes looked more like a thin Al Franken than Mark Hamill. Sheesh, how many of the Hans looked less like Ford and more like a retarded Robin Williams?! In either case, both figures still sold like crazy and are STILL being produced in the Legacy Collection!

 

[Memnoch]

So if that were the case, why not just do an unlikened or generic sculpt of the one who didn't sign away her rights? Collectors would be happy just owning the figure regardless of exact likeness. I can't tell you how many of their Lukes looked more like a thin Al Franken than Mark Hamill. Sheesh, how many of the Hans looked less like Ford and more like a retarded Robin Williams?! In either case, both figures still sold like crazy and are STILL being produced in the Legacy Collection!

Because, according to what I've heard, the one holding out on her likeness actually sued over a small non descript Action Fleet figure. No materials actual say which actress played which sister, with some saying they both played each others parts so it's just a minefield Hasbro absolutely refuses to step into.

 

[thenammagazine]

Because, according to what I've heard, the one holding out on her likeness actually sued over a small non descript Action Fleet figure. No materials actual say which actress played which sister, with some saying they both played each others parts so it's just a minefield Hasbro absolutely refuses to step into.

Again, back to my earlier question. Why not just make one that doesn't look like the actress? How many retarded Hans, Poo-faced Obi Wans and Mace Windus did we buy when the likenesses were so off the only way we could see the actual relativity was to squint like Gilbert Godfrey?! The costumes were provided by the prop department so, again, there shouldn't be an issue. So long as the uniform matches and the face is female, it would work. Hell, they could even sculpt them to like manly/tranny women like Marvel does with all the females in their Marvel Ledgends line (The Movie Jean Gray is a dead ringer for Alexis Arquette)!

 

[icruise]

Again, back to my earlier question. Why not just make one that doesn't look like the actress? How many retarded Hans, Poo-faced Obi Wans and Mace Windus did we buy when the likenesses were so off the only way we could see the actual relativity was to squint like Gilbert Godfrey?! The costumes were provided by the prop department so, again, there shouldn't be an issue. So long as the uniform matches and the face is female, it would work. Hell, they could even sculpt them to like manly/tranny women like Marvel does with all the females in their Marvel Ledgends line (The Movie Jean Gray is a dead ringer for Alexis Arquette)!

There may be other legal issues involved, but I think you could argue that it would be difficult to sculpt something that looks like the character but not like the actress, given the limitations of the scale. And your point about all of the Hans and Lukes that don't look like the actors may actually go against what you're trying to prove, since it could be argued that an "intentionally off" likeness was at least as close to the actual actress as those Hans and Lukes were to those actors. The only thing I can think of would be to make her VERY different, such as a different race, but then what's the point of making the figure at all?

It's sad to think that possibly the one actress's stubbornness cause the other to never see herself as an action figure before she died.

I suppose, and I don't know anything about how she felt about it, but I don't really think the average person would think of becoming an action figure as a crowning achievement of their life.

 

[thenammagazine]

There may be other legal issues involved, but I think you could argue that it would be difficult to sculpt something that looks like the character but not like the actress, given the limitations of the scale. And your point about all of the Hans and Lukes that don't look like the actors may actually go against what you're trying to prove, since it could be argued that an "intentionally off" likeness was at least as close to the actual actress as those Hans and Lukes were to those actors. The only thing I can think of would be to make her VERY different, such as a different race, but then what's the point of making the figure at all?

No, it's all in the outfit. They could pretty much use whatever faces they wanted to. If the actress goes to court and shows the face of the action figure, the likeness must be recognizable. If it's not, she has no case. Case in point, which one of these figures' faces really look like Harrison Ford?:

As kids, we all bought into it based on the outfits. Fathead on the left looks more like Beau Bridges (brother of Iron Man star Jeff). Bespin Han (middle) looks like the lead Cobra Kai dude from Karate Kid and the one on the right a retarded Robin Williams. ALL of the action figures above have more likeness in common with actors OTHER than Harrison Ford. Even now, with the facial likenesses not always matching the screen actor's, most of us who do still buy Hasbro's Star Wars figures do so based on what they represent, not actor likenesses.

 

[Qrest Fourstar]

I rewatched SW last night. They probably have less screen time than Yarna, and They look nothing like cher.

 

[icruise]

No, it's all in the outfit. They could pretty much use whatever faces they wanted to. If the actress goes to court and shows the face of the action figure, the likeness must be recognizable. If it's not, she has no case. Case in point, which one of these figures' faces really look like Harrison Ford?:

As kids, we all bought into it based on the outfits. Fathead on the left looks more like Beau Bridges (brother of Iron Man star Jeff). Bespin Han (middle) looks like the lead Cobra Kai dude from Karate Kid and the one on the right a retarded Robin Williams. ALL of the action figures above have more likeness in common with actors OTHER than Harrison Ford. Even now, with the facial likenesses not always matching the screen actor's, most of us who do still buy Hasbro's Star Wars figures do so based on what they represent, not actor likenesses.

For the point of view of the consumers of the figures, of course I agree. But that's that really what we're talking about, is it? Again, it seems to me that your argument could be taken both ways. None of those Hans look much like Harrison Ford, it's true. But from a legal standpoint, I bet that they are produced using his likeness rights. If that's the case, even creating a figure using the sisters' outfits but with an intentionally "off" face could be seen as infringing on the rights of the actress. I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that this is probably just the kind of legal gray area that Hasbro is trying to avoid by not putting out the figure.

 

[thenammagazine]

For the point of view of the consumers of the figures, of course I agree. But that's that really what we're talking about, is it? Again, it seems to me that your argument could be taken both ways. None of those Hans look much like Harrison Ford, it's true. But from a legal standpoint, I bet that they are produced using his likeness rights. If that's the case, even creating a figure using the sisters' outfits but with an intentionally "off" face could be seen as infringing on the rights of the actress. I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that this is probably just the kind of legal gray area that Hasbro is trying to avoid by not putting out the figure.

If the likeness isn't there, there's no case. Harrison Ford could point at those figures and say they represent Han Solo. But he cannot argue successfully, that they represent him. I just think that Hasbro has no interest in doing the figure but will continually tell people they're pursuing it in an interest to keep consumers happy.

Here's what Wikipedia says: Personality Rights

 

[Kozin]

That figure of Han on the left is sporting the second headsculpt they created for it. The first one was smaller and looked a lot more like Han/Harrison. There was a change midstream for what I could only guess was the whole likeness issue. I had both of them as a kid.

John

 

[thenammagazine]

That figure of Han on the left is sporting the second headsculpt they created for it. The first one was smaller and looked a lot more like Han/Harrison. There was a change midstream for what I could only guess was the whole likeness issue. I had both of them as a kid.

John

Lucas made everyone sign away their merchandising rights. That's really where most of the money in Lucas' billions came from (Yoda underoos anyone?!). As stated earlier, in one of the interviews on the extra OT DVD Carrie Fisher is whining about that then admittedly says she didn't think the movie would be anything special and that keeping those rights was one of George's genius moves.

My first Han was the smaller head too. I got the potato head han for christmas from a relative who was trying to "buy" my affection after my cousin had broken my original one. When I saw it, I laughed at it and if I remember correctly, traded it for another Stormtrooper at school.

 

[denger4000]

I was thinking about this character just the other day. She actually makes a lot of sense in the context of Jabba's palace. Of course someone like Jabba would like someone with a little meat on her bones! I'm surprised he liked Oola and Leia as much as he did.

If I remember right, he had her around because she was so ugly and she was used mainly to laugh at, Jabba was Cruel remember. I stopped collecting this scale years ago but when I saw her I had to buy her, It's a figure I always wanted but always got the 35th version of Tattione Luke.

 

[thenammagazine]

If I remember right, he had her around because she was so ugly and she was used mainly to laugh at, Jabba was Cruel remember. I stopped collecting this scale years ago but when I saw her I had to buy her, It's a figure I always wanted but always got the 35th version of Tattione Luke.

You know, I never really thought about it that way. That's not too far fetched to be true: