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Doom's armor has a couple cytorak bands? crikey! that dude is wasting all his talent chatting with namor and battling F4... and yes he did detect the hood in the same meeting! or was it Loki that came out last? :rolleyes: either way I think he detected them both.

And I also think you over-rate norman osborne... yes he's got all this power, but as Maria Hill told him (and as Doom told Namor), he will certainly self-destruct, eventually... plus he's still fighting his own inner demons, quite literally :lol

On a different note I vaguely remember a similar meeting where Osborne, Madame Web and a bunch of other peeps had to pick randomly b/w Ultimate Power, Knowledge and Immortality for Madness and Death... Osborne got power I think. - but what did he do with all of it?

Unless Dark Reign is headed in some really crazy, really unpredictable direction, I think that ultimately Osborne will prove himself incapable of dealing with all this new power.

You don't get to be a billionaire industrialist, world-class geneticist and biochemist, combat strategist, and logistics specialist capable of successfully running a team of sociopaths including Venom and Bullseye for years within the public eye (even keeping Bullseye under wraps) in a manner that conveys not only competence but flourishing coordination... without earning that status as the Super Villain at the top of the heap. It's precisely Norman OSBORN (note the spelling, "Osborn", not Osborne" ;) ) being completely and utterly insane which makes him such a cogent threat. Venom once said Norman wouldn't be Norman if he didn't have dirt on powerful people, and it is exactly that which typifies why he has become the power player. He has shown a staggering degree of competence with the power he has been entrusted with, and I think Warren Ellis' run on Thunderbolts is responsible for evolving the character into who he is today. ALL of his mainstream Spidey exploits aside, his ascension to power in recent years hasn't tempered his fighting prowess in the slightest. When Whirlwind , Tiger Shark, Boomerang, and Mr. Hyde tried to ambush Norman sans his Goblin outfit, he not only defeated them but threatened to kill their families and loved ones "in ways that would make even sociopaths like you weep." Lest we forget his now legendary rampage through Thunderbolts Mountain when he again became the Green Goblin, killing numerous members of the security detail and crucifying the Swordsman...
whom he later impaled with his own sword and hurled out a window in Thunderbolts Mountain... just because the Swordsman kept interrupting him. Fighting prowess aside, he TALKED the Skrull-Captain Marvel down from using his powers to decimate all within Thunderbolts Mountain, convincing him to leave and strike back against the Skrull Empire. "I know something about having voices in your head. Voices pulling you in different directions. And I also know something... about not knowing if you're really pink... or green." Such empathetic, almost elegiac dialogue; it exemplifies on a few psychological levels why Norman is such a threat.
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Bear in mind this is an abridged list, including only Norman's recent exploits concerning why I think he will not only make an effective leader but how he may keep hold of the position of most powerful villain in the Marvel U for some time. I could go on about his interactions with "the bug" but I don't really believe they're germane to his leading abilities, typifying more his unfettered personality as the Goblin than when he composes himself as Norman. One of his most impressive feats in the past few weeks, to me at least, was outwitting Len Samson, one of the most intelligent men on the planet, in front of the President to make Samson appear not only guileful, but an outright terrorist. Underestimate? No, but I am realistic. Moonstone best summed up his personality in her psychological profile of him thusly, "Bilpolar, megalomaniacal sadist, yet possessed of impressive executive skills. True leadership qualities as yet undetermined. Could become one of the most dangerous men in the world... or degenerate into a cackling maniac. It's completely up to him." That is why I find Norman's reign compelling. Also, interesting to note is that while the members of the Cabal did resent being assembled there... they came. They not only came, but they stayed and didn't get up from that table during the entire meeting. They know Norman is holding all the cards at the moment, and Doom is relying upon the Goblin to jump down from the pedestal of power to attack the mewling populace below. Still, Namor is beginning to realize that recent events have proven the matter to be far from quite as cut and dry, leaving it ambiguous as to what the result may be. Norman is holding all. the. Cards. it takes A LOT to give Doctor Doom pause, and Norman achieves just that during that meeting. By unveiling whom we can assume is the Sentry/Void as his ally, Norman makes Doom draw a quickened breath. It's an impressive power play. The reality of an individual's criminal insanity does not necessarily dilute brilliance, capacity to lead, nor least of all the danger posed by one.

What I like most about this situation is that we have numerous individuals gathered together, all of whom are inherently mistrusting, and none of whom like to be talked down to. The gathering is tenuous to say the least. Namor and Doom talking to Norman candidly about not liking him still prompts laughter from me when I read it.

And yes, Doom has crimson bands of Cytorak, which he was about to use to wipe the Avengers from the planet until the Sentry ripped the mask from his face, armor from his chest, and cowed him.
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It is for that reason that Doom is knowledgeable of the Sentry's power and has reason to be tremulous. However, Stark humiliated him immediately thereafter saying, "You recognize my authority now?" Doom has reason to play along with Norman at least until Tony is pressed firmly beneath his heel. The Dark Reign is a great time for we villain fans. :D

Also, just an aside, but this is my favorite Doom moment in a good long while, and I like how it contrasts him to Iron Man.
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You don't get to be a billionaire industrialist, world-class geneticist and biochemist, combat strategist, and logistics specialist capable of successfully running a team of sociopaths including Venom and Bullseye for years within the public eye (even keeping Bullseye under wraps) in a manner that conveys not only competence but flourishing coordination... without earning that status as the Super Villain at the top of the heap. It's precisely Norman OSBORN (note the spelling, "Osborn", not Osborne" ;) ) being completely and utterly insane which makes him such a cogent threat. Venom once said Norman wouldn't be Norman if he didn't have dirt on powerful people, and it is exactly that which typifies why he has become the power player. He has shown a staggering degree of competence with the power he has been entrusted with, and I think Warren Ellis' run on Thunderbolts is responsible for evolving the character into who he is today. ALL of his mainstream Spidey exploits aside, his ascension to power in recent years hasn't tempered his fighting prowess in the slightest. When Whirlwind , Tiger Shark, Boomerang, and Mr. Hyde tried to ambush Norman sans his Goblin outfit, he not only defeated them but threatened to kill their families and loved ones "in ways that would make even sociopaths like you weep." Lest we forget his now legendary rampage through Thunderbolts Mountain when he again became the Green Goblin, killing numerous members of the security detail and crucifying the Swordsman...
whom he later impaled with his own sword and hurled out a window in Thunderbolts Mountain... just because the Swordsman kept interrupting him. Fighting prowess aside, he TALKED the Skrull-Captain Marvel down from using his powers to decimate all within Thunderbolts Mountain, convincing him to leave and strike back against the Skrull Empire. "I know something about having voices in your head. Voices pulling you in different directions. And I also know something... about not knowing if you're really pink... or green." Such empathetic, almost elegiac dialogue; it exemplifies on a few psychological levels why Norman is such a threat.
700166-norman_super.jpg

Bear in mind this is an abridged list, including only Norman's recent exploits concerning why I think he will not only make an effective leader but how he may keep hold of the position of most powerful villain in the Marvel U for some time. I could go on about his interactions with "the bug" but I don't really believe they're germane to his leading abilities, typifying more his unfettered personality as the Goblin than when he composes himself as Norman. One of his most impressive feats in the past few weeks, to me at least, was outwitting Len Samson, one of the most intelligent men on the planet, in front of the President to make Samson appear not only guileful, but an outright terrorist. Underestimate? No, but I am realistic. Moonstone best summed up his personality in her psychological profile of him thusly, "Bilpolar, megalomaniacal sadist, yet possessed of impressive executive skills. True leadership qualities as yet undetermined. Could become one of the most dangerous men in the world... or degenerate into a cackling maniac. It's completely up to him." That is why I find Norman's reign compelling. Also, interesting to note is that while the members of the Cabal did resent being assembled there... they came. They not only came, but they stayed and didn't get up from that table during the entire meeting. They know Norman is holding all the cards at the moment, and Doom is relying upon the Goblin to jump down from the pedestal of power to attack the mewling populace below. Still, Namor is beginning to realize that recent events have proven the matter to be far from quite as cut and dry, leaving it ambiguous as to what the result may be. Norman is holding all. the. Cards. it takes A LOT to give Doctor Doom pause, and Norman achieves just that during that meeting. By unveiling whom we can assume is the Sentry/Void as his ally, Norman makes Doom draw a quickened breath. It's an impressive power play. The reality of an individual's criminal insanity does not necessarily dilute brilliance, capacity to lead, nor least of all the danger posed by one.

What I like most about this situation is that we have numerous individuals gathered together, all of whom are inherently mistrusting, and none of whom like to be talked down to. The gathering is tenuous to say the least. Namor and Doom talking to Norman candidly about not liking him still prompts laughter from me when I read it.

And yes, Doom has crimson bands of Cytorak, which he was about to use to wipe the Avengers from the planet until the Sentry ripped the mask from his face, armor from his chest, and cowed him.
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It is for that reason that Doom is knowledgeable of the Sentry's power and has reason to be tremulous. However, Stark humiliated him immediately thereafter saying, "You recognize my authority now?" Doom has reason to play along with Norman at least until Tony is pressed firmly beneath his heel. The Dark Reign is a great time for we villain fans. :D

Also, just an aside, but this is my favorite Doom moment in a good long while, and I like how it contrasts him to Iron Man.
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Great stuff.....I'm waiting for the trades.:cool:
 
Not that this has much to do with Dark Reign but I picked up a couple Venom figures today...

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I thought this was always a neat look in the comics.

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Not that this has much to do with Dark Reign but I picked up a couple Venom figures today...

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I thought this was always a neat look in the comics.

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Awesome Venom/Scorpion hybrid! I might have to pick that up as well.
 
Updates from Dark Reign #2:

  • Osborn tells all of his "Avengers" to refuse to talk to the media
  • It is revealed that Osborn has a list of heroes that he plans on taking out
  • Morgan Le Fay gives Dr. Doom a major beat down
  • Sentry rips off Morgan Le Fay's head
  • She (MLF) immediately returns from death because they did not kill her in her timeframe. She has an army of demons and is none too happy.
 
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Updates from Dark Reign #2:

  • Osborne tells all of his "Avengers" to refuse to talk to the media
  • It is revealed that Osborne has a list of heroes that he plans on taking out
  • Morgan Le Fay gives Dr. Doom a major beat down
  • Sentry rips off Morgan Le Fay's head
  • She (MLF) immediately returns from death because they did not kill her in her timeframe. She has an army of demons and is none too happy.

OSBORN! NOT OSBORNE! ;)

Beat me to it, my friend! An awesome issue, and as Norman points out, it is not at all what I expected the Dark Avengers' first mission to be.

It really makes you wonder how/why Morgana Le Fay never conquered the known world... Honestly, if she has the capability to hand Doom his own ass, and whip the Sentry, why wasn't she unquestioned ruler of the planet?

Also, wtf happened to the Sentry? Gone? Just gone? I'm sure we'll find out, but that threw me for a loop. I expected Morgana got cancelled, what a surprise. And this may help explain the next cover shot with the Iron Patriot battering down Doom. The Iron Patriot was wrapped up in that mystical storm Morgana conjured at the end of the issue; I wouldn't be suprised if she bewitched the suit. Very wild stuff and overall a great issue. Norman's deflection of Bullseye's suggestion to go after Tony Stark was intriguing, as Bullseye prompted some unsettled looks from Ares and the Sentry. Clearly they are loyal to their duty and will do what they have to in order to uphold that, but don't like the idea of attacking their old compatriots just for the sake of it.

Another thing I liked, however brief, was that all of the members of the Dark Avengers were awestruck not just by the fact that Morgana defeated Doom, but just by seeing Doom up close. It really demonstrates that Doom is a legendary figure in the Marvel U whose mere reputation precedes him. I'm sure Doom would love that.

My favorite line in the whole issue was Norman's right before the Sentry decapitated Morgana Le Fay. "Bob. You have my permission... Don't hold back." Wonderful. Wonderful.
 
Here are some exclusive Marvel promo posters for Dark Reign, under their "Accept Change" campaign.

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The third and eighth are definitely my favorites... the third in particular. Very awesome promos, in my opinion.
 
Who is Wasp part 2?

Hank Pym.

Like all bad guys he will end up self destructing.

I would say Doctor Doom is one of the more notable exceptions. He's a monarch and a legend second arguably only to Richards with science, and an extremely powerful mystic. Doom isn't "insane", he just has a different outlook on life with his own code of ethics which perhaps he only understands but which has allowed him to have a very successful life regardless. Also, Norman has made a career out of being mentally unstable; sanity isn't a prerequisite to rule the world. ;)
 
If they have Emma betray the X-Men, I will be disappointed. I really like what she has added to the team and really has helped transition the team into the more militant group they are now. I also think she compliments the post-Apocalypse merged Cyclops far better than Jean.
 
If they have Emma betray the X-Men, I will be disappointed. I really like what she has added to the team and really has helped transition the team into the more militant group they are now. I also think she compliments the post-Apocalypse merged Cyclops far better than Jean.

I certainly don't imagine she will, even with things strained so much between she and Cyc. Norman is offering her an olive branch to the entire mutant community, and she certainly doesn't want Norman's attention directed towards their now paltry minority for any reason. I would say she's cooperating to get what she wants, like most members of the Cabal. It certainly seems as if Doom is making many overtures at his eventual power play already, and he wouldn't adversely affect mutantkind. Emma has to either hold out long enough for Doom and Namor to make their move, or continue to appease Norman. If all else fails, eventually the heroic resurgence will assuage her fears for her people... but will they temper her ambition? She's not the White Queen without reason, after all.
 
Despite the New Avengers #50 being GREATLY disappointing, I was pleased with Thunderbolts #129.

For starters, New Avengers #50 was meant to showcase a colossal battle between the New Avengers and the Dark Avengers, with BMB even giving Wizard an interview about who would be battling whom, and saying which fights were the most fun to plan out and write. Instead, what do we get? Norman sends the Hood and his gang to deal with the New Avengers, while he takes his own team on their mission to Latveria to bail out Doom. Greatly disappointed. I understand Norman saying he didn't want his first mission as symbol of America's protection to display a savage hand-to-hand fight with Captain America... which was precisely why I was so surprised to hear this issue was meant to feature such a fight in the first place. Bait. And. Switch. So disappointed.

Thunderbolts was another matter entirely. Predicted far in advance how this was going to play out, but it was still a joy to behold. The Headsman was dressed in the Green Goblin costume, terrorizing the President and Secret Service detail. He uses a neural scrambler to knock the Secret Service and President unconscious. At this point, Doc Samson has his gamma reaction overloaded via the small device planted by the Ant-Man. Once Samson went ballistic, Ghost phased him through the bottom of Air Force One, causing him to plummet to the Earth. As a result, Norman is able to convince the President that the Goblin and Samson were working together, and that once the Goblin no longer had use for Samson he tossed him to his demise (noting that Samson, being "Hulked-out", probably survived the fall). Norman battles the Goblin, and in the ensuing skirmish, tosses him from Air Force One. The President agrees with Norman about the danger presented by Doc Samson, and an immediate order is issued for his arrest.

All together a very nice introduction to the team members assembled thus far... as well as a preview for their new target - Deadpool! The "Magnum Opus" story arc will cross over between Thunderbolts and Deadpool. Andy Diggle delivered on his explosive run on the T-bolts thus far. Can't wait to see what lies ahead.

In short, T-bolts was right on target with everything that makes Dark Reign edgy and substantive... while New Avengers was a misfire.
 
Despite the New Avengers #50 being GREATLY disappointing...

I also thought NA #50 was a joke and very disappointing. They really hyped the book up and even had the cover showing both sides fighting. To slap a $4.99 price tag on a bait-and-switch book is disgraceful; BMB is laughing his way to the bank on this one.
 
I also thought NA #50 was a joke and very disappointing. They really hyped the book up and even had the cover showing both sides fighting. To slap a $4.99 price tag on a bait-and-switch book is disgraceful; BMB is laughing his way to the bank on this one.

Agreed. I'm sure at some point we'll see the Avengers teams clash, but I don't like that I was deceived about having the brawl this early in the Dark Reign. The story itself was good, but it was the way in which it was promoted that grates on my nerves... in fact promoting it in any other way so as to indicate what actually happens would probably have left me just as satisfied as the other recent New Avengers issues (most definitely if they removed the scene where Clint goes to a tv station to whine and ^^^^^ on the air like a child who had his cookie snatched from him). Considering BMB even talked about which members fighting which was the most fun to write, I like to think he's already collecting ideas early in the game for when it does happen and the chips all fall into place.
 
Anyone pick up Secret Warriors #2?

It completely floored me when Strucker (the Supreme Hydra) destoryed Hydra's underwater city because of suspicion of Skrull infiltrators, killing 15,000 of his own men. Now they're reassembling, but HYDRA is being ushered forth as the immense threat looming ahead, arguably more so than Norman's new world order. Very cool stuff. I'm dropping Mighty Avengers and picking up this title. Anyone else liking this book?
 
Hank Pym.



I would say Doctor Doom is one of the more notable exceptions. He's a monarch and a legend second arguably only to Richards with science, and an extremely powerful mystic. Doom isn't "insane", he just has a different outlook on life with his own code of ethics which perhaps he only understands but which has allowed him to have a very successful life regardless. Also, Norman has made a career out of being mentally unstable; sanity isn't a prerequisite to rule the world. ;)

I hear what you are saying but Doom's plans are to take over the world and free his mother from hell. If Doom plans ever succeeded we all be in trouble so far he has failed in these 2 areas.
 
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