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I hear what you are saying but Doom's plans are to take over the world and free his mother from hell. If Doom plans ever succeeded we all be in trouble so far he has failed in these 2 areas.

Doom enjoys a great deal of popularity in Latveria. If he took over the world, things would change and be definitely more despotic, but I would trust Doom to govern the world. :D

Why would freeing his mother from hell jeopardize anyone? She's already on Mephisto's bad side, and I'd say she'd have more than a bit of trepidation before performing any black magic again. :lol
 
I hear what you are saying but Doom's plans are to take over the world and free his mother from hell. If Doom plans ever succeeded we all be in trouble so far he has failed in these 2 areas.

what!?.....he made a deal with Mephisto to free his mother, didn't he!?......that evil motherfudger!
 
This is one of the most interesting interchanges I have read between two characters in some time.

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SO, here is the million dollar question...How long before Norman screws Doom over considering Doom gave him (Norman) complete access to Doom's data files and suit server?

I am thinking that Osborn would be making a very, very, very bad mistake pissing Doom off considering Doom's final words of warning.
 
There's a bit more after this, but the pages I have here are the ones IGN has up in their preview.

Simply put, Norman has a sit-down with the Sentry in the days following Secret Invasion and his assumption of power as the head of HAMMER. While talking with Bob, the topic of their discussion is "the myth of the Void". Norman knows that the Goblin within him is just his id being brought to violent, unfettered life, and he takes that approach with Bob, telling him that there is no Void and there never was. There is only Bob Reynolds; there is only the Sentry. Now does Norman actually believe this...?

My guess? Probably not. If it's the Sentry who has been Norman's "man in the shadows", and the one who instructed Norman how to deactivate his nano-chain, then all this time Norman's been dealing with the Void, not the Sentry. What Norman is doing here could well be a sincere way of relating to Bob and cowing him as a loyal, empathetic compatriot. It could also just as easily be Norman making a psychological power play while Bob is vulnerable, forcing him to suppress the Void in his psyche,convince him that the Void is a fabrication of imagination, and rid himself of the Void as Bob steps fully onto the stage. It would remove this powerful, devious foe as a potential adversary. Odds are that the Void is no fool, though, and if he is aware of Norman's machinations, would seek retribution, whether consciously in full rage, or unconsciously as he is gradually manifested more and more through Bob's increasingly vicious actions as Norman's flunky.

They're definitely setting Norman up with a circle of powerful friends as well as an increasingly unhappy circle of enemies. It's going to be villains+heroes VS. really ^^^^ing evil villains. By "really ^^^^ing evil villains" I mean the Void and HYDRA. For those who haven't been keeping up on things... turns out SHIELD has been nothing more than an arm of HYDRA for decades, including throughout the duration of Nick Fury's time at the agency. Secret Warriors recently showed Baron Strucker (the Supreme Hydra) in the events of Secret Invasion. Upon discovering Skrull agents within HYDRA's aquatic city, he fled the city, destroying it and killing 15,000. Now HYDRA is rebuilding from the ground up, and all of the HYDRA leaders are assembling for their return to the center of the villainy scene. Interesting to note that now with Strucker returning as a major adversary, it's probably not going to be long until he finds out Norman Osborn impaled his son on his son's own sword and hurled him out of a window down a precipitous cliff face. Makes even the big bad guys have at least one sympathetic angle for retribution.

As to Norman's friends... I'm not sure how this final Dark Avengers arc is going to play out, but suffice it to say that right now the Iron Patriot and Doctor Doom have traveled back in time to combat Morgana le Fay before she begins to plot against Doom and the present-day world. Doom doesn't like the idea that he had to allow the Iron Patriot to access his armor's servers in order to initiate the time cube and go after le Fay in the past, but Osborn did save Doom before le Fay could bring about the coup de grace on him. Will he be grateful that his ass has been hauled out of the fire? Will he be suspicious that someone has broken past his personal boundaries, and of his own volition, no less? Doom isn't one who lends trust readily, but he does have a code of honor. He won't trust Osborn, but I do think he will come to call if needed in order to settle the debt and be done with it. Just some thoughts. Very cool and sinister ^^^^ in the 616 right now. :rock
 
Interesting that the Norman Osborn in those panels bears a resemblance to Tommy Lee Jones. Especially in the "How are you doing Bob?" panel.
 
SO, here is the million dollar question...How long before Norman screws Doom over considering Doom gave him (Norman) complete access to Doom's data files and suit server?

I am thinking that Osborn would be making a very, very, very bad mistake pissing Doom off considering Doom's final words of warning.

It would be an exceedingly unwise move to misstep with Doom, and I think both Doom and Norman know that. Doom's honor would compel him to repay Norman when the time comes, but that would be as far as he would take it. As Doom put it himself, he neither likes nor trusts Norman, and rightfully so. Probably Norman will keep something from all this as a safeguard in the event that Doom mounts an insurrection, but it would be a last resort. Doom is more than a man, he's a legend in terms of reputation and the awe he inspires from the other characters in the Marvel U. Having him as an enemy isn't something anyone wants. Neither Doom nor Norman are going to be pleased by HYDRA's power play in the near future, though. Fun stuff. I like when villains go up against villains.
 
Interesting that the Norman Osborn in those panels bears a resemblance to Tommy Lee Jones. Especially in the "How are you doing Bob?" panel.

It's not too uncommon for artists to use celebrities as references for characters (Nick Fury and Samuel L. Jackson). MDJ said he used Tommy Lee Jones as groundwork for Norman's facial features, back in the T-bolts run with Warren Ellis.
 
Dark Avengers #3

Picked it up-- and while I buy all of the Avengers titles I'm enjoying this one by Bendis but it's kind of weird to see Osborn in the hero position. I like the alternate perspective (as most other titles are completely from the good guy perspective) and I hope they amp up the Dark Avengers "evil".
 
Picked it up-- and while I buy all of the Avengers titles I'm enjoying this one by Bendis but it's kind of weird to see Osborn in the hero position. I like the alternate perspective (as most other titles are completely from the good guy perspective) and I hope they amp up the Dark Avengers "evil".

Definitely something you're going to be seeing more of in the months ahead. If you like the "from the villains' perspective" story-telling with the traditional antagonists stepping into the protagonist roles, I HIGHLY recommend Warren Ellis' run on the Thunderbolts, since it really evolved Norman Osborn into the character the Marvel U knows today, as well as the ways in which Bullseye, Moonstone, and Venom stepped into such prominent roles.

Thunderbolts is a great book to give you that insight into what these sociopaths are thinking, and it's extremely well-written. That sort of writing is what BMB carried into Dark Avengers, and what Andy Diggle is using in T-bolts during his run thus far.
 
HELLO MODS, please post this as a sticky, since it is one of the major story arcs happening currently. Even though it stinks. :)
 
HELLO MODS, please post this as a sticky, since it is one of the major story arcs happening currently. Even though it stinks. :)
HELLO MITHRANDIER.......NO :monkey3 :lol

As I explained to Scar the Stickie's are really used for announcements/informational purposes and Dave doesn't like to have too many of them at the top.
The existing SID thread has been left 'as is' for now as it seems to get a lot of use.

I can certainly change the the title of the SID thread if you wish, or maybe exchange it for this one

Either may be an option.
x :peace
 
No problem AScot
Maybe you could rename my thread to read "Marvel Main Events (Spoilers) [Currently Dark Reign]"

Maybe?
Thanks
 
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