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That sux balls Josh :(

Hope you can get finish and be done with it.
 
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Stuff shipping out to people this Monday, primarily from my recent sales and from the small stuff like casted heads and masks, etc.

And I really just wanted to talk... I'm in a rough state, I really am not liking the work at the moment. In fact, I loathe it with every fiber of my being. I keep trying to work, and trying my best to force it.. but it gets harder every day.

Mostly, I just feel like a complete A-Hole for having all of this work to do and all of these people waiting on me to stop dragging my feet and get the damn work done. You guys are right to hate me for it, I deserve it completely. This is my mess, I put myself here. I didn't see the signs, didn't recognize what was coming....

And now I hate it, hate the work, hate myself for not doing it every moment of the day. I just keep chipping away at it, trying desperately to claw my way out of this chasm. I just hope I can get done, and never look back. I seriously want to throw up when I look at my brushes, it's so gut wrenchingly horrible for me anymore.

I had a good run, a good few years of fun. But I can't imagine doing it anymore. It's such a life draining hobby, especially when money gets involved. I should never have taken that first commission, it's been all downhill since then. :lol


Hang in there Josh and take care of yourself first and foremost before the work. Dont let it bring you down take some time away from it until you feel ready to jump back in again. Most of us will understand hell it took me awile before I decided to pick a figure from you and I would rather you put it on the back burner than to let it affect your personal life. Take a break man and relax and enjoy life and I believe once you rest up you will jump back in to this.
 
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That sux balls Josh :(

Hope you can get finish and be done with it.

Me too man. It's just been a horrible couple of months. I sit down and nothing comes out, no inspiration for anything. It's like trying to paint blindfolded, really hard to make anything work. I need to get my ^^^^ together, I just don't know how.

I know I plan on abandoning this medium altogether. If I make figures, they will be completely different with nothing to do with my old work. IF I even do that. I'm so damn tired of it all, I seriously could set it all on fire right now and just sit back and enjoy the heat. I just hate it so damn much...
 
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Me too man. It's just been a horrible couple of months. I sit down and nothing comes out, no inspiration for anything. It's like trying to paint blindfolded, really hard to make anything work. I need to get my ^^^^ together, I just don't know how.

I know I plan on abandoning this medium altogether. If I make figures, they will be completely different with nothing to do with my old work. IF I even do that. I'm so damn tired of it all, I seriously could set it all on fire right now and just sit back and enjoy the heat. I just hate it so damn much...


I really hope you can find a balance to it all. Happiness is paramount!!
 
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I really hope you can find a balance to it all. Happiness is paramount!!

I hope so as well... I just need to hammer it out and take a year or so to see if it's even something I want to do anymore.

And thanks for the kind comments Kain, I appreciate that bro.
 
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it sucks you feel that way josh. it must be really hard.

i'd like to alleviate some of that load if i can - for yours and my sake. i have 3 heads outstanding with you from january last year, and i've never rushed you for them. but i really hate the thought of you dreading doing these. and at the same time (as selfish as this sounds) i don't want someone not at 100% drudging through them as i don't think it will be your best work. i think it would help us both if you sent them back as they are (not a refund request, just a return request). i'm actually thinking about giving them a go myself.

i really hope things work out for you bro. you deserve a break, and these repaints shouldn't get in the way of that.
 
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I'm so sorry to hear what you are going through Josh. Are you able to identify what exactly it is that you hate about it? And do you hate it even if you are doing a job for yourself? I can imagine how hard it is looking for motivation, when you don't even know where to look. Anything we can do (or not do), don't hesitate to ask.
 
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the key to success is loving what one does... art is in the process (i like to think of it as a verb)... the residue of this process (the finished paintwork) is where one meets and shares this process with the artist. perhaps your prices are not reflective of your creative process? with your talent, you should be compensated in such a fashion that benefits your life, not hinders it...

if your inspiration fades and your passion withers, you are not only doing yourself a disservice, but all of your clients... i don't mean to sound harsh, and i absolutely mean this with respect... your talent is a gift, not a commodity... utilize it in such a fashion to make everyone happy, but most importantly yourself.
 
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The honest to goodness WORST part of all of this is that people paid me... people TRUSTED me to do what I do. They put their faith in me and my work, and I just feel like I am letting them down. It's the worst feeling in the world, especially multiplied by a couple hundred orders.

And EighthSamurai... you are a good friend bro. You are not selfish in the LEAST for wanting them to look good, as you paid for them to be. And I would feel like even more of an ass if I accept your offer, though I really must. I just wish there were a way I could repay your patience and kindness with me during this whole mess.

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Josh - For those of us that are waiting for commissions from you, know this: We purchased work from DarkArtist not DarkChineseFactoryWorker. If you're not "feeling it" then we can wait a bit longer.

However, when we get to the 2 year anniversary of heads being ordered/shipped then maybe I'd rather have DarkJustShipMeMyDamnHeadsAlready.

:peace :rock
 
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the key to success is loving what one does... art is in the process (i like to think of it as a verb)... the residue of this process (the finished paintwork) is where one meets and shares this process with the artist. perhaps your prices are not reflective of your creative process? with your talent, you should be compensated in such a fashion that benefits your life, not hinders it...

if your inspiration fades and your passion withers, you are not only doing yourself a disservice, but all of your clients... i don't mean to sound harsh, and i absolutely mean this with respect... your talent is a gift, not a commodity... utilize it in such a fashion to make everyone happy, but most importantly yourself.

You are right... That is exactly what got me into this mess. I put my prices low, because I didn't want to overcharge people. I didn't put a high value on my own work, because I didn't see it as all that special or meaningful. It was a bad move, because it made me overloaded AND poorer for it. So there was no benefit besides a good feeling for giving someone a good deal.

I'm so sorry to hear what you are going through Josh. Are you able to identify what exactly it is that you hate about it? And do you hate it even if you are doing a job for yourself? I can imagine how hard it is looking for motivation, when you don't even know where to look. Anything we can do (or not do), don't hesitate to ask.

Yeah, it's the fact that it's become a chore and not something I do out of love. Conan was probably the only thing I did recently that was 100% out of love, a brief moment of passion. (Which I will repeat for yours :D)

I've had the hardest time recapturing that spirit that got me doing this in the first place, and that is affecting my work greatly. I don't want people getting subpar work, plain and simple. I don't feel like it's fair, no matter what they paid. But I also don't like to make people wait an eternity either, that isn't fair. So I'm stuck, no matter what I do.

Imagine the pressure of the story "The Telltale Heart".... now instead of a heart under the floorboards... it's a table full of heads and statues. There is no heartbeat, just the faces staring out at you...representative of the customers and friends who are waiting for them... screaming out at you to finish them... every day, all day... they are on your mind. THAT'S what it's like. There is no escape except in finishing them, but facing that is like climbing Everest when you have no motivation to do so.
 
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Hey Josh. I just PMd you about some work you are doing for me. Hopefully my offer will help.

Let me hear from you.

Eric
 
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Imagine the pressure of the story "The Telltale Heart".... now instead of a heart under the floorboards... it's a table full of heads and statues. There is no heartbeat, just the faces staring out at you...representative of the customers and friends who are waiting for them... screaming out at you to finish them... every day, all day... they are on your mind. THAT'S what it's like. There is no escape except in finishing them, but facing that is like climbing Everest when you have no motivation to do so.

well i hope you get past all this eventually but you might just want to take an entire week off and recover a little bit and see if it recharges you. i know when you just want to get stuff done walking away and putting it off might not make sense but as long as you aren't taking on more orders the pile isn't growing and maybe a little rest will invigorate you and maybe a little love and inspiration will come back. heck maybe just try going out into nature and paint a picture solely to paint with no pressure behind it.
 
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You are right... That is exactly what got me into this mess. I put my prices low, because I didn't want to overcharge people. I didn't put a high value on my own work, because I didn't see it as all that special or meaningful. It was a bad move, because it made me overloaded AND poorer for it. So there was no benefit besides a good feeling for giving someone a good deal.

Yeah, it's the fact that it's become a chore and not something I do out of love. Conan was probably the only thing I did recently that was 100% out of love, a brief moment of passion. (Which I will repeat for yours :D)

I've had the hardest time recapturing that spirit that got me doing this in the first place, and that is affecting my work greatly. I don't want people getting subpar work, plain and simple. I don't feel like it's fair, no matter what they paid. But I also don't like to make people wait an eternity either, that isn't fair. So I'm stuck, no matter what I do.

Imagine the pressure of the story "The Telltale Heart".... now instead of a heart under the floorboards... it's a table full of heads and statues. There is no heartbeat, just the faces staring out at you...representative of the customers and friends who are waiting for them... screaming out at you to finish them... every day, all day... they are on your mind. THAT'S what it's like. There is no escape except in finishing them, but facing that is like climbing Everest when you have no motivation to do so.

You know, for the longest time I wondered how you guys kept the spirit. I really enjoy painting stuff for myself, but have a very hard time putting all that work into something and then giving it away. But that's just me.

All this IS an art AND a job - and sometimes it is very hard to balance the two. Your prices have always been amazing, but sometimes I did wonder myself if you were undercharging. I think I may have even volunteered to pay more. I can't imagine the time and effort you put into your work, but there is no question that EVERY single person that has received something from you has been extremely impressed with the love and care you put towards your work.

Maybe you need a break. Or maybe you need to concentrate on what it is you still like about the work. You said that you got a bout of energy from Conan - that is awesome, and I wonder if it is because it was something new. Or something connected to a movie that you love.

Dude, I can't speak for everyone, but i can definitely echo Kabukiman's comments. A lot of us have no problem waiting until you get the spunk back. I know it's hard to look at all the unfinished projects, and that all you hear from them is our voices screaming at you - but seriously, I'm sure a lot of people totally respect and understand what you are going through, and are perfectly ok with waiting.

Your health is definitely the most important thing. Are you going to Comic con this year? If so, maybe that will help to get the spunk back. If not, just watch a ton of P!tu videos. :lol
 
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giving a "good deal" to people is very selfless... but charging more and giving people an inspired, amazing paint job will be even more appreciated...

my advice to you would be to "reboot"... return the unpainted commissions and start over... again, the magic comes from within you, but only if you are feeling it... it sounds as if you have a tremendous monkey on your back and desperate times call for desperate measures! sure, perhaps a few may be disappointed that they do not receive your services... but i can imagine a greater sense of disappointment if they only receive "half" of your services.
 
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Well, speaking from my own experience, I think part of the conflict here is that a fun thing has become a job, and that job exists within the same physical space as the fun.

Everyone knows I posts graphics on here, but I also would do them at my job, and the job stuff sometimes would get hard and suck, but being able to drive away and leave it and come home to my little mantown of sorts and be surrounded by what lifts me up, was therapeutic, I could have my fun, recharge myself, go back to work the next day fresh.

Josh and all the custom artists at this site work from home, there is no place to escape from the dark cloud over their head, they can't just go have fun with their collectibles, the job items are just a few feet away anywhere they go.

I think as a general rule in life, but definitely for artists, mixing home and work into the same physical location can be dangerous unless you create a legitimate studio or a separate building on your property you go into that feels complete separate from your home and when you're in either place, you feel you're not in the same place. You cand stuff your work in a closet or whatever, but if you're in the same rooms and all and associate everything you see in your home with your work load, it's going to take a toll on you, there will be no escape.
 
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Well, speaking from my own experience, I think part of the conflict here is that a fun thing has become a job, and that job exists within the same physical space as the fun.

Everyone knows I posts graphics on here, but I also would do them at my job, and the job stuff sometimes would get hard and suck, but being able to drive away and leave it and come home to my little mantown of sorts and be surrounded by what lifts me up, was therapeutic, I could have my fun, recharge myself, go back to work the next day fresh.

Josh and all the custom artists at this site work from home, there is no place to escape from the dark cloud over their head, they can't just go have fun with their collectibles, the job items are just a few feet away anywhere they go.

I think as a general rule in life, but definitely for artists, mixing home and work into the same physical location can be dangerous unless you create a legitimate studio or a separate building on your property you go into that feels complete separate from your home and when you're in either place, you feel you're not in the same place. You cand stuff your work in a closet or whatever, but if you're in the same rooms and all and associate everything you see in your home with your work load, it's going to take a toll on you, there will be no escape.

Thanks for all of the comments guys, I really needed it today. The cloud hanging over me was especially black and heavy, and with the weekend being my off days from the gym (my escape these days)... I had nothing but time to dwell on it.

It is exactly as Sean said. There is no real escape. I live in my studio, I type in my studio, I eat here... the work is never far from me at any time of the day. The hours I spend in the gym is the only time I have away from it all, and probably why I have been able to throw myself into it with such vigor.

With no local friends, the pressure of the studio/home environment only become greater and harder to deal with.

Honestly, if I won the lottery...or had the money right now... I would return all of the work.. with a sincere apology written....all of the money... even a few gifts... I would give it all back. If I only could. God, to be free of that burden once and for all. But I can't. It's just not possible.

I know I just need to keep plugging away at it, and hopefully with some passion... if anything... because you guys deserve it.

Once I am done, I plan on reevaluating what I desire artistically. Whether that be sculpting, painting traditionally, or writing... But NEVER again for profit, and never again on demand. I don't have the heart for it.

Art for me was never about money, it was always about sharing myself with others in a way that expressed my feelings or talents. It was me trying to make a difference. I didn't care about being the next big thing in customizing, I didn't want to be one of the big dogs... I just wanted to matter... It was my small attempt at a legacy, after a lifetime of failures. I just found something I could do, and wanted to share that with as many people as possible. My Mother died at 31, and here I am 28... I just wanted to leave more behind than a few family stories and sadness.

I feel like I have done something, made some small impacts here and there. But I should have stopped a year ago, I should have slowed down and not taken the orders. I shouldn't have allowed it to outgrow me. But with the Wife and I struggling, and money tight, bills, tuition... I had to do it, and I thought I could handle it. But I can't. And it tears me up that I ever allowed it to get like this.

Now my small impact will be mired by the failure of the end. That I allowed the house of cards to crumble around me, and made my loyal customers wait forever because I was artistically impotent. So ends the "legend" of DarkArtist. :rolleyes:

The lesson here is that art should always just be art, it should never be a means to make a buck. Once that happens, the soul of the true artist cannot survive. Those who are heartless enough to make it, can get by and strive. Those who actually care about art, are doomed to fail. Unless they do work because they WANT, and sell it later. Once it becomes work on demand, it's not going to work. At least for the "pure" artist.

I'll leave this hobby to those brave souls who can stomach it, and may they be more successful than I was at navigating it's treacherous waters. :duff
 
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