Darth Talon Premium Format

[Shai]

 

[Jaycepticon]

I'm thinking about canceling too. The ES has nothing to do with the decision neither. I'm just looking around my display room and really wouldn't know where to put her since Yoda, Dooku, Luke are definite purchases and I don't even know where I'll put them. Plus, the biker scout is looking very tempting right now

 

[MrPickles]

See, SS?!! Two weeks ago this thread was all about how awesome this statue was and full of positive comments.

Now look what your questionable business tactics have done.

Learned.

 

[Sithlord1975]

I might cancel my EX as well. And has nothing to do with all the recent talk about edition size and all that stuff. Could care less about that. Nope, reality just set in, the excitement died down, and I should just stick to the stuff I really know and like and consider iconic for myself.

They really should put a deposit down for every preorder. Then it will filter out the people jumping the gun or snagging something for bragging rights,and separate it from the people really interested in the purchase.
Because even I just did it lol I'm a victim of the easy preorder, and preorder everything "just in case" lol

 

[Corrose]

See, SS?!! Two weeks ago this thread was all about how awesome this statue was and full of positive comments.

Now look what your questionable business tactics have done.

Learned.

It's "AWESOME" until there's no way to make a profit on it, hehe

 

[Shai]

Might shoot for it now...

 

[Something Sexy]

Might shoot for it now...

Or on it....

That's two thus far.

 

[Loquae]

I plan on keeping my pre-order right now. Edition size doesn't matter to me. I get what I like.

 

[LOTRFan]

It's "AWESOME" until there's no way to make a profit on it, hehe

You've made your point, now consider the alternative without any discussion of "flipping":

1) Your frustration is misguided towards to so-called parasites of the hobby when it should be targeted at the manufacturers themselves. These are LIMITED EDITION collectibles, which immediately disallows every TRUE fan from purchasing them. Should it be an open item edition (where the collectibility decreases) but all true fans have opportunity? Who makes the decision as to the nature of the collectible, the collector or the manufacturer? Sideshow themselves have begun a Priority Pre-Order system and have repeatedly PRIDED their company on the exclusive nature of their collectibles (read one of their catalogues). That is not the parasites, that is the producer.

2) Following up on #1, there are a good many of us who ONLY collect these items because they are collectible; meaning, if everyone COULD have one, they wouldn't be as prized in our collections. I like having something that not everyone has, the flipside would be owning something common.

3) Perhaps you saw the Black Friday/Spooktacular sales with Premium Format figures and other top dollar items marked down as much as 50%? If so, you should ask yourself why that is? Not only should you attempt to answer that question (which is partially answered by edition size), but you should also ask why any right-minded collector would want to pay full price when they will be able to get the same item -- probably even from Sideshow themselves later at a discount?

4) This then is the nature of the beast, ANYTHING limited has demand; and such there will ALWAYS be some who choose to capitalize on that demand, IT WILL NEVER CHANGE, in any area of life.

 

[ambasah]

I like what efx does - offer a "window" to place an order WITH a deposit and make the edition size accordingly. Problem solved in my books.

 

[Kibishii]

the only thing idiotic is your presumption that real fans will definitely sell the piece off how that makes any sense at all is beyond me....

The four Star Wars PF's (three EX's) that I have in my collection that were bought for alot below retail kinda adds merit to my "assumption" and how you don't understand that the higher the ES, the lower the secondary market value is is beyond me. Sure, "real fans" may buy it at retail and never sell it; however, the higher the ES, the more likely that not-as-real fans will flood the market with them driving the price down.

I am not trying to be harsh, I am just stating a clear, basic economic fact: supply directly affects price. I have NO problem with fans saying, "Up the ES so that everyone gets one, we don't care what it will be worth later."

As far as your arguement of the item being new-in-box, you got me on that one. There is a certain...benefit to being the first person to crack open that case. It is a great piece, and I look forward to adding it to my collection.

 

[tylerdurden]

The four Star Wars PF's (three EX's) that I have in my collection that were bought for alot below retail kinda adds merit to my "assumption" and how you don't understand that the higher the ES, the lower the secondary market value is is beyond me. Sure, "real fans" may buy it at retail and never sell it; however, the higher the ES, the more likely that not-as-real fans will flood the market with them driving the price down.

I am not trying to be harsh, I am just stating a clear, basic economic fact: supply directly affects price. I have NO problem with fans saying, "Up the ES so that everyone gets one, we don't care what it will be worth later."

As far as your arguement of the item being new-in-box, you got me on that one. There is a certain...benefit to being the first person to crack open that case. It is a great piece, and I look forward to adding it to my collection.

well, my reaction to your statement wasn't about the ES issue at all. frankly i couldn't care less about the ES of a piece. i know others find it very important and that's fine. to each his own. (and i'm not ignorant. i do know that ES affects after-market value.)

what i was getting at is the issue of folks who aren't really interested in the collectible beyond its financial value and just hoard it, thus preventing those who genuinely liked and wanted the piece from getting it. and the bottom line is, those real fans who do end up getting the piece will always treasure it and won't even entertain the thought of selling it. for example, there's NO WAY in hell anyone could persuade me to part with my 1:1 t800 endoskull bust. it has great sentimental value.

 

[jlprjlpr]

there are a good many of us who ONLY collect these items because they are collectible; meaning, if everyone COULD have one, they wouldn't be as prized in our collections. I like having something that not everyone has, the flipside would be owning something common.

I find that sentiment so strange. You are basically saying you value something not for its inherent value or beauty but because you have it and others can't have it. That seems incredibly selfish. I wish everyone who wants the statues that I have could have them as well. Why in the world would I enjoy them less, because alot of other people have them too? What do I care if others have them or not. When I look at one of my statues, I just look at its beauty. I don't sit there and get a thrill out of thinking "you, little statue, are mine, JUST mine (and 299 other people too)" I don't get it. Scalping and this desire to have something only when others can't have it are the two ugliest elements of collecting. Just my opinion, don't get all offended, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[jlprjlpr]

They really should put a deposit down for every preorder. Then it will filter out the people jumping the gun or snagging something for bragging rights,and separate it from the people really interested in the purchase.

I agree 100%
I don't get why anyone gets some cheap thrill of being there at 10AM, placing an order, getting that T and not really wanting it. There has got to be something better people can do with their time.

 

[Jaycepticon]

cancelled my EX on the strength that she just won't have the testosterone-filled presence to hang with Anakin, Grievous, Maul, Jedi Luke, Dooku, Yoda and eventually Vader

 

[tylerdurden]

actually, i'm surprised that sideshow hasn't yet imposed a deposit system across the board for all orders.

over here, every pre-order i make requires a deposit. and if i cancel, there is usually a penalty unless i have a good reason or can sweet-talk the shop boss out of it.

 

[toystales]

Even if a deposit is required, I think it should only be restricted to PPO items. If SSC requries a deposit for all PO items, then I think their pre-order qty will probably drop significantly. Lets remember that SSC is a manufacturer and distributor, not just a retailer.

 

[Corrose]

I find that sentiment so strange. You are basically saying you value something not for its inherent value or beauty but because you have it and others can't have it. That seems incredibly selfish. I wish everyone who wants the statues that I have could have them as well. Why in the world would I enjoy them less, because alot of other people have them too? What do I care if others have them or not. When I look at one of my statues, I just look at its beauty. I don't sit there and get a thrill out of thinking "you, little statue, are mine, JUST mine (and 299 other people too)" I don't get it. Scalping and this desire to have something only when others can't have it are the two ugliest elements of collecting. Just my opinion, don't get all offended, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

amen to that
My favorite current piece is probably my Bowen Thanos, I could give 2 shakes if 2,000 other people had one or 5,000. I buy these things to fill my studio with elements that make me happy. Things that interest me. If 5,000 other people get the warm and fuzzies over the same statue and can justify $300 for it, more power. Does sound incredibly greedy to want something JUST because others can't have it.

At the same time I GET that SS cant produce 5,000 pieces, the would just rot in a warehouse. To me the answer seems instead of making 500 limited editions, and 1,500 regulars, just make 2000 of the same COOL thing, and the sharks won't have as much of a reason to really hang around, some will just find another hobby to make money off of.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

To me the answer seems instead of making 500 limited editions, and 1,500 regulars, just make 2000 of the same COOL thing, and the sharks won't have as much of a reason to really hang around, some will just find another hobby to make money off of.

I like this solution as well. I collect a lot of the Excl. items, but having a standard version for everything would really make the $$$ better when tracking these guys down.

 

[LOTRFan]

Does sound incredibly greedy to want something JUST because others can't have it.

I certainly didn't list that as my sole reason, but it amongst them. I do debate it as being greedy however, it is hardly different from collecting anything be it art, cars, etc that are limited in nature. It isn't so much that others can't have the items, but that they are rare and somewhat unique; I don't think of my collectibles as common action figures that any Target or WalMart sells. But even there manufacturers have begun the frenzy THEMSELVES by producing "chase" figures and the like. This is really the issue though, the frustration seems to be directed at the collector when it is the manufacturers that are creating the environment.

At the same time I GET that SS cant produce 5,000 pieces, the would just rot in a warehouse. To me the answer seems instead of making 500 limited editions, and 1,500 regulars, just make 2000 of the same COOL thing, and the sharks won't have as much of a reason to really hang around, some will just find another hobby to make money off of.

Won't happen, it is a much better profit margin for SS when they can sell exclusives off of their website.