David Ayer's Academy Award winning "Suicide Squad"

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Good point, you can tell they took some old school gangster and scarface and threw that into this Joker's personality/look. and like you've mentioned before his scars seem more intense in AA, where he probably wouldn't be allowed makeup.

Whatever they did it's a cool look.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I forgot to post this last night after my third viewing. some stuff I noticed.

- Joker doesn't push Harley out of the heli to save her, a rocket hits them and blows a gas line (this is like a half second shot) and she falls out of Joker's arms.

- Jonny Frost dies in the chopper. He get's that missile shot straight to his face.

- Joker wears socks

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

The story in this film really does cater to my favorite types of narratives, even moreso than Civil War. Of course I would rate CW higher (duh) as it is so technically sound from beginning to end but my favorite types of action/adventure films tend to be those where the heroes kind of have a cloud of being screwed at the end but still fight to do a little good anyway. ESB, LOTR, CA:TFA, ALIENS, Face/Off, etc. Suicide Squad is obviously lighter in may ways than those previous films but in other ways it's every bit as harsh or moreso. If it had the execution of those former films it wouldn't just be one of my favorite cbm's it'd be one of my favorite films, period.

But I didn't think the editing was bad per se. I liked that we first saw Deadshot and Harley in the present to establish them as the "main" Squad members, then they went full flashback for everybody, didn't waste time establishing throw away characters like Slipnot, saved Katana's backstory for later, and didn't clog the finale with the fates of characters who ultimately weren't that important (the prison guard who helped the Joker.)

I actually really liked the flow and if anything was impressed by the non-linear approach to character development. The structuring of Diablo's arc was actually kind of brilliant IMO.

The only times I'd say I "noticed" the editing were a couple times you'd have a chill moment and then music would kick in and there'd be a sweet action sequence (like Harley in the elevator for instance) and then it would almost abruptly go right back to characters just walking or talking. I wouldn't have NOT inserted those action sequences, I just think they could have cleaned up the tempo segues a bit here and there.

Great post khev. I agree with pretty much everything. What's your score again for the flick?

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Great post khev. I agree with pretty much everything. What's your score again for the flick?

It's very hard for me to give SS an objective score because the subject matter and tone put it through the roof for me. And I loved so many specific aspects; great character moments, solid acting almost completely across the board, the music, action, and on and on. Just little things like Deadshot clearing an entire block of zombies to the point where the Special Forces soldiers literally lower their weapons in the middle of a fight to watch him in awe, and even Deadshot himself seeminly having a "holy crap, what a rush" moment in response to what was assumedly the first time in his life he's ever gotten to just cut loose on such a massive crowd of "living" targets.

It's easier for me to just say where I rank it with other cbm's and the way this film spoke to me I still have it Top 5 with the Cap trilogy and Batman Begins.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This is for the Zod's, pturtle's and crows(BvS thread) of the world, just so they don't feel like they are alone.

From Scott Mendelson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/15/dear-suicide-squad-fans-you-deserved-a-better-movie/#7cb6e6671266

What is odd is that this latest batch of DC fans, at least the vocal minority, have become glorified apologists. For the record, there is a world of difference between people (critics or paying consumers) who just enjoyed Suicide Squad for what it was, warts and all, and those who take it as a personal insult when a critic gives it a negative review or a box office pundit discusses its post-opening weekend flameout. You know which of the two you are. But we didn’t see hardcore comic fans defending Catwoman or Batman & Robin from critical pans back in decades’ past. You didn’t see Marvel fans saying that critics weren’t real fans (or were in the pockets of a rival studio) because they panned the first Fantastic Four or didn’t show enough love to Daredevil.

What’s changed is an “us versus them” mentality, one which may or may not be linked to the polarization inherent in the current political culture and possibly tied to the kind of hardcore fans attracted to the darker/grittier/more violent DC Films offerings. But the result is that the critics, the ones who are on the frontlines saying “DC Films can make better movies!” are being held up as the enemy by those who blindingly accept whatever scraps Warner and DC has seen fit to give them. That’s the tragedy. The filmmakers and the critics of the critics claim “it’s for the fans,” but the current DC universe is selling the fans to Humble Pie for $50 and a pack of beer.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

It's easier for me to just say where I rank it with other cbm's and the way this film spoke to me I still have it Top 5 with the Cap trilogy and Batman Begins.

Damn that's pretty good placement!

It's easily in my top 10 but I can see it creeping up into my top 5 as well. Especially after I get it on Blu and can dissect the hell out of it.

I wonder if WB will shut down "Ultimate Cut" and just release the theatrical version, or if we'll get some kind of alternative cut - maybe Ayer's darker one in with the blu as well.

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This is what I’ve been saying, I'm afraid if people actually convince themselves that SS is anything more than a guilty pleasure, and if it succeeds, I fear other studios inevitably trying to steal the same ideas and put out crappy DC movies targeting the Twilight, Divergence, and Hunger Games crowd.


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[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This is for the Zod's, pturtle's and crows(BvS thread) of the world, just so they don't feel like they are alone.

From Scott Mendelson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/15/dear-suicide-squad-fans-you-deserved-a-better-movie/#7cb6e6671266

You're in a thread 10 days after the movie released. really the only people in here are going to be the ones who liked it enough to still be discussing it. if you wan't to go flame this movie somewhere on the internet, and have people agree with you, do it anywhere else.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This is what I've been saying, I'm afraid if people actually convince themselves that SS is anything more than a guilty pleasure, and it succeeds, I fear other studios inevitably trying to steal the same ideas and put out crappy DC movies targeting the Twilight, Divergence, and Hunger Games crowd.


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This movie is miles away from all those movies mentioned.

 

[darthkush]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This is for the Zod's, pturtle's and crows(BvS thread) of the world, just so they don't feel like they are alone.

From Scott Mendelson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/15/dear-suicide-squad-fans-you-deserved-a-better-movie/#7cb6e6671266

I'm not one to pee in anyone's cereal if they do love these new DC movies(I like Suicide Squad and Man of Steel despite their warts and I think Batman v Superman is crappy but has good moments), but I agree with this Scott Mendelson fellow. The us vs. them mentality a lot of fans have right now is baffling. I was watching a spoiler review of Suicide Squad by the superheromovie news guys on youtube and one thing they point out that fans forget is that for a critic who watches 300 plus movies a year, you're comparing this to EVERYTHING so obviously one man's 8/10 being great is another man's 8/10 being average at best and so forth and so on. For many other people who maybe only go to the movies 3-4 times a year and maybe watch 10-15 movies TOTAL in a whole year, it's much less comparison going on, hence some of the split in reactions.

 

[Khev]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Damn that's pretty good placement!

It's easily in my top 10 but I can see it creeping up into my top 5 as well. Especially after I get it on Blu and can dissect the hell out of it.

I'm sure my ranking will be shocking to some but in all honesty cbm's really aren't my top thing, mostly because of the inherent slavery to "status quo" that they almost all equally share. Captain America has been a part of me since childhood so his films get a pass, especially when they are so expertly crafted and Batman Begins I think was just an all around spectacular film from one of this generation's greatest directors in the prime of his career.

But everything else? Eh, they're fun and I get caught up in the phenomenons when they come out and all that but to me Suicide Squad feels more like a rag tag action film that as I've said several times now has more in common with the "Escape from" movies, Ghostbusters, zombie shoot 'em ups, etc., than your typical superhero fare. MUCH more my thing than pretty much anything in the MCU, Singerverse, etc.

Before we had this glut of superhero films I used to think it was shortsighted back in the day to have characters like Nicholson Joker, DeVito Penguin, etc., dying on screen but now I appreciate the fact that they play as self-contained and satisfying films in their own right that aren't forced to leave the door open for the next chapter.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

For many other people who maybe only go to the movies 3-4 times a year and maybe watch 10-15 movies TOTAL in a whole year, it's much less comparison going on, hence some of the split in reactions.

That's me at the moment. I'm select with the movies I watch at the cinema and I tend enjoy the experience and tend to like the movie.

Critics watch movies as a job - no-one enjoys working 100%, there's always crappy days. This is why critics scores are BS. The people paying to see the movie are the ones who I trust and many people really like SS.

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

This movie is miles away from all those movies mentioned.

I never saw any of the Twilight movies, but I saw the first Hunger Games, the movie isn’t for me, but its a much much better made movie than SS, in my opinion at least.

 

[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I never saw any of the Twilight movies, but I saw the first Hunger Games, the movie isn’t for me, but its a much much better made movie than SS, in my opinion at least.

Apples and oranges.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I never saw any of the Twilight movies, but I saw the first Hunger Games, the movie isn’t for me, but its a much much better made movie than SS, in my opinion at least.

but it's still no where in the realm of what kind of movie SS is.

like comparing titanic to terminator

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

Apples and oranges.

I’m talking about the actually quality of the movie, things like editing, script, acting etc…

but it's still no where in the realm of what kind of movie SS is.

read my post above

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I never saw any of the Twilight movies, but I saw the first Hunger Games, the movie isn’t for me, but its a much much better made movie than SS, in my opinion at least.

The Hunger Games films are certainly far slicker than SS from what I remember.


Interesting point brought up regarding the whole 'us vs them' thing. It's certainly a strange mindset to have, in my opinion.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

twilight is a snoozefest.

the last 2 hunger games are snoozefests.

SS's pacing/editing/characters/direction is miles better.

pturtle wants edward as batman

 

[pturtle]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

twilight is a snoozefest.

the last 2 hunger games are snoozefests.

SS's pacing/editing/characters/direction is miles better.

pturtle wants edward as batman

I'm content with having Edward as Joker


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[greygoose]

Re: DC's "Suicide Squad" (August 5th, 2016)

I’m talking about the actually quality of the movie, things like editing, script, acting etc…

There's always going to be a situation where movie A has better aspects over movie B. You could compare movies like that in a neverending list. It doesn't mean movie B, C, D and so are are not a good a movie as movie A.

The Hunger Games is a bad example to use. Catching Fire is head and shoulders better than The Hunger Games.