DC Joker Movie (Non-DCEU)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Adam's apple.

 

[jye4ever]

Adam's apple.

Female eyes and same freaking hair style and length as subway girl


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[Wor-Gar]

If Jye is right, then it simply proves that Phoeker is the real Joker, just imagining a life as Arthur Fleck while in Arkham.

 

[Captain Clown]

 

[ajp4mgs]

Female eyes and same freaking hair style and length as subway girl


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Good point about the hair (from the YouTube clip, I thought that was a fur collar ). But it's damned sure not the same coat or turtleneck (until I'm proven wrong again ). The actress from the subway scene (Mick Szal) is only credited on IMDb as "Woman on Subway," so I guess we might never know for sure.

But even if it's the same girl, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to interpret that everything was only in his head. Maybe the subway girl was glad the three Wayne employees who were bothering her got gunned down, and became sympathetic to the movement. If Arthur recognized her in the cab, then he could've just been thinking, "Hey, it's the hot chick from the subway, and she's joined the clown movement."

Some stuff just doesn't make sense as being in Arthur's imagination. The Waynes getting gunned down, Alfred taking Bruce away from the gate, Murray making fun of Arthur . . . I don't see how or why Arthur would imagine these specific instances.

But I do agree with you that if everything in the film were *meant* to be playing out only in Arthur Fleck's crazy mind, then the movie is bull**** and pointless.

 

[jye4ever]

If Jye is right, then it simply proves that Phoeker is the real Joker, just imagining a life as Arthur Fleck while in Arkham.

So Arthur Feck is more interesting than Joker.

So sad.

Good point about the hair (from the YouTube clip, I thought that was a fur collar ). But it's damned sure not the same coat or turtleneck (until I'm proven wrong again ). The actress from the subway scene (Mick Szal) is only credited on IMDb as "Woman on Subway," so I guess we might never know for sure.

But even if it's the same girl, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to interpret that everything was only in his head. Maybe the subway girl was glad the three Wayne employees who were bothering her got gunned down, and became sympathetic to the movement. If Arthur recognized her in the cab, then he could've just been thinking, "Hey, it's the hot chick from the subway, and she's joined the clown movement."

Some stuff just doesn't make sense as being in Arthur's imagination. The Waynes getting gunned down, Alfred taking Bruce away from the gate, Murray making fun of Arthur . . . I don't see how or why Arthur would imagine these specific instances.

But I do agree with you that if everything in the film were *meant* to be playing out only in Arthur Fleck's crazy mind, then the movie is bull**** and pointless.

lol @ your last sentence


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So let's ignore the Adam's apple because the guy has long hair and brown eyes.

Also, if the whole film was in Arthur's head, then there would be no point for the film to makes us think he was dating the neighbor and then reveal it as a fantasy. Same applies if he's telling the story to the psychiatrist. That alone tells us what was real and what wasn't. Same goes for his first fantasy in which he sees himself in the audience watching the Murray show.

The ending with the black psychiatrist is just meant to mirror the opening of the film in the same way we see sad Arthur on a bus and later a happy joker on the cop car, or sad Arthur walking up the steps and a happy Joker dancing later on.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Also, if the whole film was in Arthur's head, then there would be no point for the film ...

But they made Wizard of Oz...

 

[ironwez20]

Poor Jye, he's trying so hard to dislike the film so that he doesn't have to buy the 4K bluray .

The ST corrupted his brain. Disney has Him just like they have hot toys

 

[jye4ever]

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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

But they made Wizard of Oz...

Yeah, but that movie didn't have a fantasy within a fantasy. It's not like Dorothy started dating the Scarecrow, and halfway through the movie the film tells us that she just imagined that.

 

[ironwez20]

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Modern joker......

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah, but that movie didn't have a fantasy within a fantasy. It's not like Dorothy started dating the Scarecrow, and halfway through the movie the film tells us that she just imagined that.

Sure it did Oz was a fantasy itself even in Oz.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Sure it did Oz was a fantasy itself even in Oz.


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That's more of a trick than a fantasy. Also, Dorothy's fantasy was a dream, so the film while a fantasy, it's primarily a dream. She wakes up in her bed and it was all a dream.

Arthur wasn't sleeping in the hospital, he was in a room talking to a psychiatrist. Why would he be like, "So yeah, I started dating my hot neighbor." And later on, "I never dated her! Got ya!!"

 

[a-dev]

So let's ignore the Adam's apple because the guy has long hair and brown eyes.

 

[jye4ever]

That's more of a trick than a fantasy. Also, Dorothy's fantasy was a dream, so the film while a fantasy, it's primarily a dream. She wakes up in her bed and it was all a dream.

Arthur wasn't sleeping in the hospital, he was in a room talking to a psychiatrist. Why would he be like, "So yeah, I started dating my hot neighbor." And later on, "I never dated her! Got ya!!"

What was the significance of both case workers being black women.

Were all the clocks showing the same time just a wacky coincidence.

Why didn?t they show how Arthur got back into his mothers life after her incarceration when he was only a child.




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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

What was the significance of both case workers being black women.

They were still different people. If they were the same person, you might have a point.

Were all the clocks showing the same time just a wacky coincidence.

I posted the meaning of the 11:11 numbers.

Why didn?t they show how Arthur got back into his mothers life after her incarceration when he was only a child.

If it was all in his head, why would the film makes us believe that he's related to Wayne, which Arthur himself believes it, only to find out later that it wasn't true? He clearly had no recollection of the events from the file. He found out about his past when he read them from the stolen file. Clearly he blocked a lot of details about his childhood. There's no need to show the mother leaving Arkham and reuniting with Arthur.

 

[Khev]

You didn?t watch that video I posted

No but only because I like to digest films like this myself and see what i notice on a second or third viewing before having people bust out the pie charts and frame by frame analysis. I'm not saying you're doing that but sometimes people on YouTube or even the film's own director or writers can spoil the fun of coming to your own interpretations.

I even think that the Russos explained too much about EG, particularly things like Cap's timeline which IMO should be left to the audience to interpret however they see fit.

That said after having only watched Joker once I really think that his first appearance on the Murray show and his relationship with his neighbor were the only two fantasies. That clown in the car doesn't look like a woman to me, if it is then she has shoulders as big as mine, lol.

 

[jye4ever]

80?s jackets had huge shoulder pads

Think Fleck of Seaguls lol




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[jye4ever]

They were still different people. If they were the same person, you might have a point.



I posted the meaning of the 11:11 numbers.



If it was all in his head, why would the film makes us believe that he's related to Wayne, which Arthur himself believes it, only to find out later that it wasn't true? He clearly had no recollection of the events from the file. He found out about his past when he read them from the stolen file. Clearly he blocked a lot of details about his childhood. There's no need to show the mother leaving Arkham and reuniting with Arthur.

PML

Phoeck My Life


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