Deposits on Exclusive Pre-Orders: Sideshow's New Policy?

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I wanted to thank everyone for participating in this thread. We have read through the posts up until page 24ish and have extracted the common questions to answer. Hopefully the post window will allow for the length of the reply!

Please keep in mind that if you are looking for direct answers it is wise to e-mail us directly. Many of the threads in forums contain posts that are not relevant to the main thread topic and cumbersome to review. It is more efficient for collectors to ask us directly. Do not assume that we have seen your questions and chosen to ignore you, when in reality we didn't know that you posted a question on page 31 of thread #300 in one of the ten various forum categories!

1.If the paint applications do not match the prototype, can I get the Non-refundable Deposit (NRD) back and shipping covered in a refund? Yes, you can. Our Return Policy has always covered any situations where a client requested a full refund (item cost plus original shipping costs and we will arrange for the return) after receipt of the item due to a manufacturer’s defect or major inconsistencies between the prototype solicited during pre-order and the final production item, whether it be paint applications, included features / accessories or changes in edition sizes. Return policy: https://www.sideshowtoy.com/helpdesk/?p=106

Keep in mind that minor differences are not considered a manufacturing flaw as all of our items are molded, assembled, painted, dressed and boxed by hand. In cases where Sideshow believes there is not a manufacturer’s defect but the complaint is a question of one’s personal taste, we offer the client exchange options.

* If clients wish to cancel online due to a manufacturer’s defect prior receipt of the product, based on updated production photos to Sideshow’s online gallery, they will need to notify Customer Service of the online cancellation via e-mail including the order number, product name, and reason for canceling. Otherwise, online cancellations of NRD products will not have their NRD returned and FlexPay plans will be assessed cancellation fees.


2.What if there is an edition change like the Optimus Prime statue, will we get our Non-refundable Deposit (NRD) back if we cancel? Yes. In reality, edition size changes are few in comparison to the hundreds of products that we make, as well as distribute, each year. In some cases, the original manufacturer of a distributed item makes changes to their product before delivery, which Sideshow has no control over but people assume we do. However, in the case of Optimus Prime, all collectors who pre-ordered this item were contacted about the edition size change and offered to cancel their pre-order and receive their Non-refundable deposit back immediately. Less than a handful of people chose to actually cancel their piece due to the edition size change.

3. Can you change from full payment to flex payment without losing your Non-refundable Deposit (NRD)? Yes. Clients have always had this option to switch from a full payment option to a FlexPayment plan and the NRD can be transferred. You can do this on items without an NRD also but if you cancel the FlexPay, you will be assessed cancellation fees as per that plans terms and conditions.

4. Do you have to pay both Non-refundable Deposit (NRD) and cancellation fees upon cancellation of a FLEXPAY plan? No. You would be charged just the NRD and not cancellation fees.

5. If the item ships earlier than the posted specific ship month on the product page and we need to cancel it do we get the Non-refundable Deposit (NRD) back? In most cases, no. Due to many factors not with our immediate control, ship time frames cannot be configured to a specific week or month at the initial offering of the pre-order. Currently, we update the shipping quarter (3 month span) to a specific month online usually a few months prior to receiving the item. We also alert our newsletter members of these updates. We are in the process of trying to narrow down the delivery window and hope to update our collectors through the newsletter soon!

Currently, if a collector’s item comes into our warehouse early (30-60 days prior to posted arrival month), we notify the collector via e-mail and offer an option to pay for and receive the item early. If they do not like that option, then we offer a delayed processing date which falls within the final month originally posted for receipt and processing. In these cases, we are also flexible in moving full payments to flex payment plans as well as delaying Flex Pay plans that may overlap other plans due to shipping schedules. This way we can help the collector avoid having to pay for multiple items within the same month.

If an item is delayed due to production issues by more than three months, we generally will refund NRD and waive FlexPay cancellation fees.

6. Are you taking Non-Refundable Deposits (NRDs) for everything now? No. However, we are currently evaluating application of Non-Refundable Deposits on low edition, Sideshow Exclusive product pre-orders. Keep in mind that we have been requesting non-refundable deposits on items $500 and up. We also have been offering FlexPay plans on almost all items $200 and up, which carry cancellation fees similar to the current Non-Refundable Deposit policy.


7. Why are you requiring Non-Refundable Deposits (NRDs) now? We feel that the addition of Non-Refundable Deposits to some of our products will allow serious collectors the opportunity to purchase these low, limited edition, exclusive items for their collections, rather than being hindered by the unrealistic pre-orders of speculators, resellers, or people whose wants outstrip their financial capabilities. The wait list option will be available to those people who want to reserve an option to purchase, if that product becomes available, without the need to pay a NRD right away. The regular editions also will not have an NRD requirement at this time, so anyone interested in the Beast statue can certainly place a pre-order for the regular.

8. I am concerned about the size and scale of the item I am ordering prior to paying a NRD? We will provide the height, width and depth of a product with the pre-order. In cases where we can, we will provide a picture of the item with another from the series. In the next 60 days we will be adding size comparison features that will also help the collectors, who are concerned about scale, make a more informed decision. Until that time, collectors will need to make decisions based on the information provided. Our Return policy, will allow them to return the item for a refund if they are unhappy with how it fits into their collection. In this case, it would not be a defect thus the client would have to cover the return shipping fees.

9. I am concerned about the sporadic final quality of your items. Will I get my NRD back it the item is of poor final quality? Our Return Policy covers return of items due to a manufacturer defect and damages. Please reference question #1 for detailed information. Sideshow is always concerned about quality. We take constructive collector feedback to heart and implement changes to our products and policies whenever possible. We monitor the forums when we can but encourage people to e-mail us directly with feedback to our Customer Service department. We also encourage people to participate in our cancellation surveys and write in additional details, if needed.

10. Can your line list for the year be made available so I can plan my purchases? It is often difficult to do publish a list of characters we will be releasing within that calendar year due to fluctuating prototyping and production schedules, licensor approvals, marketing schedules, film & DVD releases and such, which may require us to resequence release dates. Therefore releasing a list of this nature would not be helpful for anyone. Through our newsletter and our Ask Sideshow Q & A features we try to release as much upcoming product information as we can to our collectors.

11. Your product information is not available until a day before the pre-order! How can I purchase like this? Actually, in many cases through our production blog, Ask Sideshow features and newsletter, we allow collectors to see pre-production photos or read information about upcoming products. We also release preview photo of the products a week before pre-orders begin and a full gallery and purchasing details three days prior to the pre-order. In a majority of cases, pre-orders have taken up to four days after launch to sell through allowing clients plenty of time to review the information to make purchasing decisions.

12. What about a courtesy waiver of fee for good clients? We are not with out a heart. In many cases we give people courtesy refunds of NRDs and cancellation fees based on their circumstances and ordering history with us. However, everything is documented, so Customer Service is aware if you have requested exceptions in the past. They will know if this is the 1) fourth time the same grandma passed away 2) requesting a promo item for free and that you never asked for it before- this eighth time 3) You didn’t get our decline courtesy e-mail – even though you got every other e-mail we sent you and replied to the last decline e-mail? (Yes, these situations have happened!) If you require multiple courtesy waivers, we ask that you review your account and make more realistic pre-orders!

If you have any more direct questions, please address them to Customer Service via e-mail, phone or online chat (for international customer especially)!!! See our contact info in my signature file below!

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I have to agree with IJ and Mike, that Quality Control needs to be beefed up over at Sideshow, and I am pretty much a Sideshow Apologist for their Lord of the Rings items.

I don't see this discouraging the flipper/resale market at all, in fact, the perceived scarcity will draw them like flies on ____.

I do think it will help put an end to the wafflers though, people who put in a safety order, and then end up cancelling down the road. I am not pointing fingers, as I have done that in the past on an item or two, but I certainly will avoid this practice in the future.

If Sideshow can batten down the production numbers, and leave less unsold stock in the warehouse, maybe once that issue is resolved, they can start to address the quality concern, but the QC should be first and foremost a priority.

Thanks for the clarification though Chicky!
 
In reality, why would SS care about flippers? If they run up an ES, at least they're buying the merch. Then they go out and drum up interest, demand and value of Sideshow pieces.

This is not about flippers; it's about people who order and then don't pay for the stuff for one reason or another. I think upping QC will help it, but I also think collectors are undecisive by nature.

Wrong sherlock, even flippers are playing a part of the ES increase. People stand by and watch the secondary market, if the item has a potiential for profit, they keep the order. If it dosen't it gets canceled.

Why does something like....say...bulleye have such a large ES for a statue that was ridiculed by so many as a terrible piece? Same with the Thanos (dio). Because the "flippers types" saw this as potiential low ES bait, thus put orders in.


Anyways, I am curious how this "experiment" turns out. Lets see where it goes 9 months from now. But why put up a PDES on these EX pieces, why not make it based on per order? Also, can we move this debate to "ask sideshow"?
 
In reading through the post from Chicky again, I think that the return policy actually opens the possibility for worsened customer relations. The language of the return policy can lead to a "he said/she said" argument for what is and isn't a major or minor difference. I would argue that a big chunk of my collection has some minor difference between prototype and production that I have lived with, but others on the board have been upset and sent that item back. I think that this could lead to a lot of arguments between Sideshow and their customer if someone is dissatisfied. The red leather on the Moria Orc is not what was pre-ordered, but I like it enough to keep it. I may be a lot less forgiving of what I find to be acceptable minor differences in the future.
 
In reading through the post from Chicky again, I think that the return policy actually opens the possibility for worsened customer relations. The language of the return policy can lead to a "he said/she said" argument for what is and isn't a major or minor difference. .

That is a good point... the flexibility is appreciated, but I could see it getting nasty.
 
I wonder how this would have played out on the Jedi Luke PF. Finally someone gets a Hamill sculpt right and what should have been the best-seller of SW PFs languishes. So many collectors cancelled because the longer they looked at the pose and exclusive, the more they grew to dislike it. That rests solely with the choice SS made and not with collectors oredring everything.
 
Taking a look at the GC list and those items on second chance or still in-stock I can't say that I am all that surprised by this; not to mention that everyone small businesses included are looking for ways to stay in the black. This may essentially replace the PPO, which to my recollection hasn't really been taking place all that often anyway, and even some of those items that were offered are still on pre-order status (Jack Sparrow).

My concerns with QC arise when I have read in the past that SS has made statements like "they are all like that, etc" and the collector though sending the item back is still on the hook for shipping; so either it's a cancellation fee or a shipping charge.

Oh well, I am much more selective these days anyway as room becomes more precious; I guess it won't really effect me much.
 
Sideshow contributes by keeping the status quo on QC, or there would be less cancellations. TBD edition sizes don't help either.

Yeah, if the have NRD edition sizes will have to be given up front. Putting a deposit down on a TBD statue is just not right.
 
so now we are insulting names now kabukiman and skiman? :cuckoo:

calling people noobs? please! make a valid point not lame insults.

Chicky rocks for coming in and adressing all the points.
 
so now we are insulting names now kabukiman and skiman? :cuckoo:

calling people noobs? please! make a valid point not lame insults.

Chicky rocks for coming in and adressing all the points.

You are very close man, your almost there...

Enigma.................n

maybe in a few years :dunno
 
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