Dexter Discussion Thread *Spoilers*

[Darklord Dave]

Some pretty far out theories here. But I'm pretty sure Trinity doesn't know about Dexter (yet) and that it wasn't the reporter or Anton that shot Lundy. That is a good point about why Trinity left Deb alive if he was out to stop Lundy from uncovering him. You could argue that he doesn't use guns and was perhaps just incompetent, but he did get close enough to take their valuables, so he must have realized she was still alive. Although his connection to his sister might have inhibited him from killing a young woman like that outside of his ritual.

Also in argument that it wasn't Trinity that killed Lundy - he kind of acted like he wanted to be caught. Shooting Lundy wouldn't be consistent with his behavior at the bludgeoning building when he made himself known to Lundy.

 

[DinoLast]

I like the thought that Trinity suspects Dexter is not really Kyle. It would make the giving of the hammer to Dexter more of a game of one-upmanship.

 

[Darklord Dave]

I like the thought that Trinity suspects Dexter is not really Kyle. It would make the giving of the hammer to Dexter more of a game of one-upmanship.

I really don't think he suspects Dexter, but I did think that perhaps he was going to frame "Kyle" when he gave him that framing hammer.

 

[Seditionary]

What I've been wondering is, if Trinity turns out to not be responsible for Lundy's death, would Dexter still go through with killing him? I mean, probably, but it would be difficult in a way taking what Dexter almost wishes he had with his family and destroying it for another man/family. It's also interesting that he didn't see his father at all in this episode. worth pointing out I think.

One of my favorite parts of this show is the fact that he learns valuable life lessons from potential, and from victims. My favorite being that lady cop in this season, where he learns he'd rather risk his family finding out the truth then losing them. My second favorite being that episode with the therapist where he wants to kill him but puts it off to have more sessions with him. Cracks me up.

 

[Darklord Dave]

What I've been wondering is, if Trinity turns out to not be responsible for Lundy's death, would Dexter still go through with killing him? I mean, probably, but it would be difficult in a way taking what Dexter almost wishes he had with his family and destroying it for another man/family. It's also interesting that he didn't see his father at all in this episode. worth pointing out I think.

One of my favorite parts of this show is the fact that he learns valuable life lessons from potential, and from victims. My favorite being that lady cop in this season, where he learns he'd rather risk his family finding out the truth then losing them. My second favorite being that episode with the therapist where he wants to kill him but puts it off to have more sessions with him. Cracks me up.

Yes, he'd kill Trinity with no compunction at all. Remember Dexter isn't doing it for revenge or some moral outrage like Batman does. He kills serial killers because that's how his father taught him to fill his need to kill and still fulfill some moral role in the world.

The more successful a serial killer is, the more Dexter enjoys the hunt and kill, it's more of a challenge. Trinity is the best he's ever faced - Dexter doesn't race to kill him because the guy is cold-blooded murderer. He plans on extracting anything at all that he can learn about fitting into society from Trinity - and then killing him.

 

[die]

Dexter would definitely kill Trinity. Trinity kills innocent people in ritual manners, he 100% fits Harry's code. An interesting idea would be for Dexter to run into another serial killer that kills almost identically to the way that he kills.

The show always throws us off with loose ends that we overanalyze, but that's part of the fun to me. I remember last season how everybody was thinking that Yuki (the asian chick investigating Quinn) was The Skinner. She turned out to really have no impact on the show at all. I'm wondering about the reporters idea to do a story on Deb, is it possible there may be mention of her brother Dexter or perhaps a photo with him in it? That could end up being a way for TK to figure out who Dexter is (if he doesn't know already). I also wonder why TK gave his son that car as a gift, could he be training his son to kill? The son seems to be too good to be true much like Trinity.

Or all these theories could probably amount to nothing and they will go in a completely different direction.

 

[El Skutto]

Dexter would definitely kill Trinity. Trinity kills innocent people in ritual manners, he 100% fits Harry's code. An interesting idea would be for Dexter to run into another serial killer that kills almost identically to the way that he kills.

The show always throws us off with loose ends that we overanalyze, but that's part of the fun to me. I remember last season how everybody was thinking that Yuki (the asian chick investigating Quinn) was The Skinner. She turned out to really have no impact on the show at all. I'm wondering about the reporters idea to do a story on Deb, is it possible there may be mention of her brother Dexter or perhaps a photo with him in it? That could end up being a way for TK to figure out who Dexter is (if he doesn't know already). I also wonder why TK gave his son that car as a gift, could he be training his son to kill? The son seems to be too good to be true much like Trinity.

Or all these theories could probably amount to nothing and they will go in a completely different direction.

I was thinking that the reporter wanted the interview with Deb to find out what, if anything, she remembers from the night of the shooting. To find out if she needs to worry about being identified.

And I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Trinity's son is in any way involved in his dad's murders or that he even wants to be a murderer himself. I think you're trying too hard to find weird plot angles and are therefore seeing them everywhere.

 

[DinoLast]

There is some other suspects in Lundy's murder I could throw into the mix, Trinity's wife or son?
LOL I know it's not likely, but you never know with Dexter

 

[Tyler]

I thought it was funny that Dexter and Rita have only been married a couple of months and she is already calling in therapists/councilors at the first sign of marrital trouble. It made Rita seem like a weak person to me. Surely you give it a go yourself for a few months after you realise your marriage isn't perfect before going to those extremes?

Does anyone think Deb's might find out who Trinity is before Dexter makes him dissapear forever. Also if she does will she try to find evidence to arrest him with or maybe go a more personal route and think about killing Trinity herself? Unless she finds that someone else killed Lundy instead of Trinity.

 

[DinoDB1975]

Cryptic line of the week for me in this last episode was when Trinity said to Dexter that "My family saved me". In what way? This is probably more nefarious than intended, but could Trinity's wife (maybe not the family) be aware of his activities and could they be encouraging them? In the scene where Trinity got into the tub with his wife, I half-expected to see the camera pan down under the watre and see some kind of incision scar on his wife's thigh.

I wonder what kind of shenanigans Quinn is going to be involved in next week at the night club where Dexter goes to stalk his next victim.

 

[die]

And I see no reason whatsoever to assume that Trinity's son is in any way involved in his dad's murders or that he even wants to be a murderer himself. I think you're trying too hard to find weird plot angles and are therefore seeing them everywhere.

It's more interesting to me than following the trend of last season and picking people with no motive (like Yuki or Anton) to be The Skinner. The show already establishes there needs to be motive and something Dexter learns from the killer.

If TK's son is responsible for Lundy's death, it puts Dexter in a strange place. He has a son himself that he wonders about becoming like him...Also, the question of whether a son should be punished for the sins of his father? Explain how this makes less sense than believing a skank reporter totally one-upped Dexter leading to the dramatic conclusion where he kills her in 2 seconds and does not grow at all as a character from the experience?

Again, it's just all part of the fun with this show since the first season. It's never cut-and-dry, it's fun to guess wrong and be surprised

 

[Batty]

During the scene where Dex was holding the urn, my wife literally screamed when they showed the close-up of Lithgow coming towards the screen.

I wonder if the car Trinity gave his son has any significance.

 

[Seditionary]

The urn scene definitely had some good tension.

Still the idea of Dexter killing the Trinity killer so far makes me pretty uneasy. I guess its the thought of him creating another monster similar to himself or trinity. I know that hasn't been an issue really this far that I can recall, but its just what I've been thinking about.

I guess this brings the discussion of whether or not the serial killer gene is created by events you can't control around you, or if it is handed down to you from a family member, or something else. Of course I suppose everyone is capable of murder, while others can't control the urge.

I forgot what the hell I was talken about.

 

[CelticPredator]

The Urn scene freake me out....

 

[Darklord Dave]

I wonder if the car Trinity gave his son has any significance.

Hadn't thought about it, but it must or they wouldn't bring it up. Perhaps it has some evidence from one of Trinity's previous cycles?

I guess its the thought of him creating another monster similar to himself or trinity. I know that hasn't been an issue really this far that I can recall, but its just what I've been thinking about.

But Dexter and the Ice Truck Killer were created by huge trauma as children. The way Dexter takes out serial killers doesn't leave any evidence or trauma - they just disappear. But that might be something to deal with in a future season - maybe a killer's kid is exposed to something horrific and he tries to make sure the kid isn't ruined by it.

 

[El Skutto]

It's more interesting to me than following the trend of last season and picking people with no motive (like Yuki or Anton) to be The Skinner. The show already establishes there needs to be motive and something Dexter learns from the killer.

If TK's son is responsible for Lundy's death, it puts Dexter in a strange place. He has a son himself that he wonders about becoming like him...Also, the question of whether a son should be punished for the sins of his father? Explain how this makes less sense than believing a skank reporter totally one-upped Dexter leading to the dramatic conclusion where he kills her in 2 seconds and does not grow at all as a character from the experience?

Again, it's just all part of the fun with this show since the first season. It's never cut-and-dry, it's fun to guess wrong and be surprised

I still think you're trying too hard to find potential storylines where they probably don't exist. I firmly believe that Trinity's son has absolutely nothing to do with the story, other than to show Dexter that it is possible to raise a normal, well-adjusted child and still lead a double-life. Remember that Trinity's ritual occurs once a decade - unless he indoctrinated his kid into killing when he was still a pre-schooler, I see no evidence at all that he's involved.

As for Dexter learning his lesson from the killer, that's precisely why he's decided to latch onto Arthur instead of outright killing him at the first opportunity. He's using Trinity to learn how to balance both sides of his life, and then once he's learned all he can, he'll dispose of him.

The reporter isn't the primary killer this season, she's just a catalyst, so Dexter learning any kind of life lesson from her isn't the issue. The purpose she might fulfill is to teach Dexter a lesson about jumping to conclusions because of emotion. Again, it parallels the previous season, where the Skinner's real identity and motivations weren't all that important, he was just the motivating factor for certain characters and events. In my mind, the reporter serves the same purpose. And I don't see how killing Lundy would mean she's "one-upped" Dexter. Remember that the ONLY person who even suspected the existence of a "Trinity" serial murderer was Lundy - the police, media and the public are all firmly convinced it was the VK.

How's this for a theory? We'll learn that Arthur's dad molested his sister Vera, which resulted in her committing suicide in the bathtub. When his wife finds out about his incestuous relationship and puts two and two together, she also commits suicide by leaping to her death. Arthur then exacted revenge on his father by bludgeoning him to death with a hammer. The trauma from losing his entire family is what caused him to go over the edge and develop his ritual.

I guess we'll know for sure in the coming weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if we both turn out to be completely wrong on this.

 

[DinoDB1975]

I still think you're trying too hard to find potential storylines where they probably don't exist. I firmly believe that Trinity's son has absolutely nothing to do with the story, other than to show Dexter that it is possible to raise a normal, well-adjusted child and still lead a double-life. Remember that Trinity's ritual occurs once a decade - unless he indoctrinated his kid into killing when he was still a pre-schooler, I see no evidence at all that he's involved.

As for Dexter learning his lesson from the killer, that's precisely why he's decided to latch onto Arthur instead of outright killing him at the first opportunity. He's using Trinity to learn how to balance both sides of his life, and then once he's learned all he can, he'll dispose of him.

The reporter isn't the primary killer this season, she's just a catalyst, so Dexter learning any kind of life lesson from her isn't the issue. The purpose she might fulfill is to teach Dexter a lesson about jumping to conclusions because of emotion. Again, it parallels the previous season, where the Skinner's real identity and motivations weren't all that important, he was just the motivating factor for certain characters and events. In my mind, the reporter serves the same purpose. And I don't see how killing Lundy would mean she's "one-upped" Dexter. Remember that the ONLY person who even suspected the existence of a "Trinity" serial murderer was Lundy - the police, media and the public are all firmly convinced it was the VK.

How's this for a theory? We'll learn that Arthur's dad molested his sister Vera, which resulted in her committing suicide in the bathtub. When his wife finds out about his incestuous relationship and puts two and two together, she also commits suicide by leaping to her death. Arthur then exacted revenge on his father by bludgeoning him to death with a hammer. The trauma from losing his entire family is what caused him to go over the edge and develop his ritual.

I guess we'll know for sure in the coming weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if we both turn out to be completely wrong on this.

That's a pretty good theory, dude.

 

[Seditionary]

yeah, thats pretty friggin awesome skutto

 

[Darklord Dave]

That is probably pretty close to what they have in mind. But Arthur is pretty twisted, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was he who was having a sexual relationship with his sister (see how he mirrored the sister-surrogate behaviour with his wife in the tub?) and that caused the suicide and he killed the father because he couldn't accept that he had been the one responsible for her suicide and transferred the incest guilt onto his father.

 

[Seditionary]

It'd be interesting to rewatch the scenes where arthur murders people in the show and listen to what he's saying with this theory in mind.