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No lol thats impossible. Arnie cannot make 3000 bodies by himself! It takes him weeks to make one figure...His job is to check each figure (some quality assurance) and sign the certificates that will come with it.
 
Figuremaster Les said:
Whatever the story is here...

Those are THE BEST Bruce Lee's EVER!
Hands down! Bar none!

Wish I could get one!
Amazing work!

You can, for $300 to $350.

Arnie is without doubt the best sculptor in the world today.

Apparently, not the best businessman though. Arnie burned a lot of bridges with Asian presell dealers and other Toy dealers who invested in the development of the Enterbay Bruce Lee lines according to Robin Kwock, the Manager of ArtofToy in San Fran. Robin was involved in the initial launch and investment of this line before Arnie blew him off and started a Diva shreik campaign bad mouthing him and everyone else who tried to work with him.

It is very well known story in Asia and many are concerned for him because...

Arnie is releasing 3500 of the Enterbay Bruce Lees at $300 - $350 a pop. Apparently the Bruce Lee proto body in those site pics will not be the body used in the production piece according to Robin and don't expect JC to handpaint 3500 heads so you will probably be getting some China factory paint job, I'm sure it will be good, but don't expect a JC paint job.

I'm just putting this out there so everyone knows what I heard from Robin. I do not vouge for anything he says or say he doesn't have an axe to grind, I'm just saying he seems to know this product quite well and is connected in Asia so take what he says how you wish, just remember it's always best to judge when you see one "in hand".

Personally I think the price point for a 3500 run with a "pretty good" factory paint job is too high, far too high. A more realistic price point might be 160-180 for the Kim sculpt and outfit, accessories, etc., but the market will be the final arbiter of that as always. I would definitely pay $350 if it was a LE of 500 and JC painted it. Once released there will be many of these on ebay and it is highly doubtful they will all sell out at $350, but you never know, just keep all this in mind before plunking down close to 400 for one shipped. I hope I'm wrong and they are all super amazing and all sell out and everyone is happy, but buyer beware I always say... I think once Enterbay begins to release these, they may have to bring the price down to sell all of them and that is why there is legitimate concern.

Anyone who wants more info can call Robin at Artoftoy and he'll elaborate further on the final production piece.

Not trying to be the bad guy here, just trying to protect my board peeps...
 
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Thanks for the pics AZN Collector!!!

Was there a Jet Li prototype there as well? Any pics?
 
THANKS AZN!

Finally! THANK YOU!

What do I think of the body? Who knew Triad Toys had competition for a body that would look good shirtless?

Um, pjam, I almost included a joke in my last post along the lines of, "whatever you do, don't tell Arnie that Robin Kwok sent you." Arnie's side of their dispute is all over his website -- including an apparent effort by Robin to make nice. But Arnie is looking for the return of a set of sample figures Robin has. That seems to be the sore point.

Art of Toy was the first place I saw Arnie's stuff -- actually, it was an Art of Toy eBay auction. There were a number of things about them that put me off, but I won't go into it here (Darklord Dave breathes sigh of relief). Interesting to read Robin's side, even second-hand.
 
Re: THANKS AZN!

Gruff Old Bear said:
Finally! THANK YOU!

What do I think of the body? Who knew Triad Toys had competition for a body that would look good shirtless?

Um, pjam, I almost included a joke in my last post along the lines of, "whatever you do, don't tell Arnie that Robin Kwok sent you." Arnie's side of their dispute is all over his website -- including an apparent effort by Robin to make nice. But Arnie is looking for the return of a set of sample figures Robin has. That seems to be the sore point.

Art of Toy was the first place I saw Arnie's stuff -- actually, it was an Art of Toy eBay auction. There were a number of things about them that put me off, but I won't go into it here (Darklord Dave breathes sigh of relief). Interesting to read Robin's side, even second-hand.


True OGB, there are two sides to every story... but if it is also true Enterbay is putting out 3500 pieces factory painted, one has to take that into consideration before plunking down $400.

Look what happened to the SSC Anakin, great sculpt but when custom painted, altogether different piece as you well know.

Like I said, I don't vouge for anything Robin said and hope this is a super great collectible. I just put it out there because the prices MIGHT come down after the initial release as the ES is fairly large, the price point is high and no-one has seen an actual production piece yet. Time will tell...

ps I have purchased stuff from AOT I wouldn't recommend to anybody because the proto piece and production piece were different: it was compromised during the production process.
 
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AZN_Collector said:
No lol thats impossible. Arnie cannot make 3000 bodies by himself! It takes him weeks to make one figure...His job is to check each figure (some quality assurance) and sign the certificates that will come with it.

lol. i know Arnie didn't make/sculpt/pour the plastic, ect for each body. i meant was that the body that he developed. nevermind.


as for the AOT/Arnie dispute, all i know is that Arnie says AOT "stole" some proto figs. don't know hwat's true or not. i DID see somebody post some pics of a Bruce AOT was selling and the poster claimed it was a reworked Arnie sculpt. it did resemble it a bit.
 
Mookeylama said:
lol. i know Arnie didn't make/sculpt/pour the plastic, ect for each body. i meant was that the body that he developed. nevermind.


as for the AOT/Arnie dispute, all i know is that Arnie says AOT "stole" some proto figs. don't know hwat's true or not. i DID see somebody post some pics of a Bruce AOT was selling and the poster claimed it was a reworked Arnie sculpt. it did resemble it a bit.


I'm not sure that is the root of the problem, I think it resulted from it. I believe the proto pics of the BL GOD fig posted on the Enterbay site were taken when they were partners and had finished developing the proto figure.

Money was spent to develop the body and so forth, it was after that they had a falling out...
 
Ok ok. The pictures on enterbay's website is Arnie's HAND MADE GOD. If you go to his blog, you'll see more of these photos. Arnie developed his own body.

Hey Gruff Old Bear, please compare your Bruce hand made figure body to the picture I posted. See the difference?
 
And there is no "falling out" between Enterbay and Arnie. AOT and Enterbay are not connected...
 
AZN_Collector said:
And there is no "falling out" between Enterbay and Arnie. AOT and Enterbay are not connected...


For the record, no-one ever said that but my last post could have been read that way, sorry. AOT and Arnie had the falling out as everyone knows. Read earlier post re: Arnie/AOT dispute.

Also the Enterbay site still has the proto pics up and clearly state the production piece may differ but I'm sure Arnie's amazing GOD sculpt hasn't changed but the body may have.
 
Well, power's back up in sunny SoCal (hottest day on record here was yesterday). Screamingmetal, thanks for the links to SuperHero Times. Those photos tell me a lot.

First, I believe that although they are prototypes and handpainted, all the BL figures on display are from the Enterbay molds. This is because all have jointed necks similar to the Hot Toys Superman or the original Sideshow Frankenstein. Arnie's originals don't have neck joints -- they are one long piece:

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Their heads can be angled to a surprising degree just by tipping or rotating, but an original does not have a joint under the jaw. The Enterbay figure shows a new neck design intended to let you display him bare-chested. The only time I've seen Arnie do a neck like this was on the first Bruce Lee he did -- a custom built on the Art Asylum 18" figure, which already had the ball-jointed neck. Although it's no longer avalable, I think you can still view it at the Art of Toy website.

Judging from feeling through the fabric of the jumpsuit on mine, I'd say Arnie's original body does not have the Enterbay seamless look at the shoulders -- in fact, there's a detectable gap. I'm not going to take off the jumpsuit to look. The suit has the smallest, most invisible and convincingly scaled zipper I've ever seen, and I won't risk breaking it.

My figure came with two sets of hands which you can see in the photo above. There is a newer pair on display on several of these prototypes.

In case anyone didn't notice that SuperHero Times had three pages of Bruce figs, page two gives a detailed look at the eye mechanism which also confirms the neck joint. The eyes are going to make this thing a killer. I think it will be surprising how much difference even a slight separation between the eyes and face makes. Atelier Models uses a very similar design for their stunning girl models.

I posted last fall about Art of Toy, Arnie and Enterbay. At the time I'd blanked on who owns an Arnie Indy -- it's Double Dare. Take a look, especially at Indy's neck.
 
Thanks GOB, that Indy is without question THE best HF likeness I have ever seen, truly an amazing talent.

Looking forward to seeing how these EB GOD turn out and shake out on the market. It's clear to see how the innovations (led by AK) in sixth scale design is evolving too (the eyes, so important) and that is good news for all of us.
 
got Arnie's bussiness card and it list one of Arnie Kim's website. check it out. Also, there is a link there where you can buy the Enterbay Bruce Lee.

Arnie Kim
 
I am the geek of this haha
so I come to answer questions :D LOL


SERIOUSLY< longest post you'll ever see

I believe he may have had TWO of the Tom hanks because there is a picture of him presenting one or maybe just showing one to the Director and Writer of Saving Private Ryan.
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It was said that they saw one of the CM's employees or something like that carry a folder with Arnie's Enterbay figure pictures.
But I'm not sure if Arnie can work for other companies. He signed with Enterbay, so....
So did some more Korean artists, like Yulli and more.
So we should accept some ultra high quality stuff from Enterbay :D

IN FACT; in an interview with Arnie once, he said that he plans to sculpt at a bigger scale so he can enhance the details and likeness even more.
Preferable, he mentioned 1/4 scale, but 1/3 is better ;D
So, he's open for the job, lets see if CM is willing ;D

Courtesy to Jackson Ting(Arnie's Friend) and Arnie

I believe the GOD pieces are prototypes , thus they are like 1.2 times bigger or something like that (110%? I forgot)
Since you know that if they cast the heads in vynll, it'll shrink, and how they make prototypes bigger, etc.etc.

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More onArnie's blog or Jax's blog
Prototype body
Tom hanks and Harrison Ford
harrison ford

gruff old bear said:
And if someone (Tom?) does, ask the folks there what you're photographing. I think it's a display of Arnie's customs, which will be the basis of the production models. And I'm guessing JC Hong painted them all.

The question we all have is...is there anything or anyone at the booth to speak about whether Enterbay's production figs will be as good as Arnie's originals?

Wish I'd been able to go, but it just wasn't possible this year.
The prototypes are probably painted by JC HONG, and if not, by Arnie. Arnie is a talented headsculpt painter and he uses airbrushes and faux as well.

Arnie's originals are 4 times more expensive...with less accessories. So I'm sure the quality of the Enterbay figures will not be equal to his originals, but they'll be cleaner castings :rolleyes: and the headsculpts will be all the same. By the looks of the prototype and Arnie's original, its mostly only the paint job, and that's because one'll be factory paint and the other will be oils or acrylics in which Arnie uses. Plus, the clothing and everything else be tantamount to Arnie's originals I suspect, why should they be?
Arnie's original I think the headsculpt they used for the GOD prototype in the SDCC is the Enter the Dragon piece arnie made with the sculpted torso.


go to www.enterbay.com, and see all the accessories they will provide.
The background diorama, bamboo, extra hands, interchangeable eyes, hair is removable, nunchucks, the case, a certificate of authenticity, a little booklet, shoes made of REAL material, not plastic, and i think I missed something.


Arnie sculpted the torso obviously and probably the other parts as well.
he is the "head sculptor" of the Bruce Lee line.
In fact, the head seems to be the ETD one he did where he sculpted the whole upper torso and put real hair on it.
Some mistakened it as a silicone skin body. Nope, just resin.
However, if that prototype is a bigger version, then we're talking about a differ head, but what I see is the ETD head and body.
Look at this pic:
this one
or this one
or click this link


the #1 problem with artists todya is their lack of business knowledge. or so i think being on many artist forums. I've heard that for artists, they should go to business school, since you learn art on your own.
however, I don't blame Arnie for his unfortunate experience.
How is it that Robin Kwok take 7 of his samples (over $8000 worth) and runs off to not be publicly heard of for a while, or never responding to Arnie about where the samples were.
Go to Jax's Blog and scroll down a bit to see how Robin let DML make mass productions of Arnie's piece and go on eBay and you might seem from time to time, the "way of the dragon" pieces that were recasted and sold form Hong Kong.
it's no joke that he's been scammed by Robin Kwok. Because of this incident alone, it scared off other korean artists from advancing anywhere but their own community.

In fact, Arnie might be admitful of his failing acts in that negotiation, but its been said before that Robin was rather unprofessional as well.
Arnie just asked Robin to PAY for the samples he took (in his blog). Whch means he is essentially allowing robin kwok to do whatever he pleases with them.

Click this link for a very good arguement by Customdawg, or the creator of Triad Toys ;D


I ditto that as well as many others. But Arnie might have a say in that later, since he wants the Enterbay pieces to be pieces of art and not just toys.


I doubt that low. I think its a difference of only 1000 or so.
maybe I'm thinking of the Delux and Limited edition.
yes they certainly should do somehting about the quantities however.

He's my favorite sculptor but you should consider some other incredible sculptors like Andy B, Oluf H...i forgot but you know the sideshow sculptor, and kojun, Vancei, Yulli, and way more. But yeah, I like arnie deh mosteh.


Nope, that issue was long before he joined enterbay.
Arnie used the BBI G1.0(blue box toys) body for his prototype on the website.
The head was his ETD renewal one.
I've followed Arnie long enough to know that I'm sure.
In fact, read Click this link for a very good arguement by Customdawg, or the creator of Triad Toys ;D
because it shows that they really didn't do much.
And I'm guessing Arnie sent it best samples since it was like showing a portfolio.
Arnie constructed the whole entire ETD diorama and GOD diorama by himself.
There's pics of him doing it on his blog.


Body difference isn't really the situation, since the prototype one was only a BBI body which costs $15....
headsculpt, I wonder if its a new one since I read somewhere on his blog that it was a big prototype verison...



Enterbay's actually gonna do a direct purchase on the site, but it has yet to come and they told me that the prices would be higher than what they expect there retailers to put them at.

I am a retailer(US) for Enterbay, but the distributor requested me to not take in any orders if possible untill they release the official preorder date and prototype pictures.
Yes, now I feel like I'm advertising....:monkey2
So I'm not sure if I should continue haha
PM if you want me to put you on a "email list" so I can email you when I get more updates from the distributor.
I already reserved some with the distributor but like he said, I should wait till they have actual prototype pics.

The price is actually lower than what you guys may all be thinking.
Its $300 and plus shipping and that's the MSRP.
Retailers ,I suppose, like me, will sell like $10 below that:lol

but anyways, there'll be more info pretty soon I suppose since they've alreayd shown much of it at SDCC.
In fact, i'm not sure if I should say this but we still got AMPLE time till these figures will be released. So SAVE UP :D :rotfl :D hahah



Ok, I hope I answer most of the questions, removed any myths, rumors , or enlightened some of you.
I've been a fan of arnie's works before i came into this hobby, thus, I came into this hobby after connecting Bruce Lee to him, to this hobby, etc.

So game on, more questions :D
 
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Those Bruce Lee figures were pretty awesome; but I was blown away by the Hanks as Capt. Miller and the absolutely GORGEOUS Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones!
 
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