Disgusted with humanity in general

[occulum]

the sad part is people needing a religion to help determine whats right and wrong.

... its the lack of common sense and discretion thats the issue IMO ...

 

[Voorhees27]

the sad part is people needing a religion to help determine whats right and wrong.

... its the lack of common sense and discretion thats the issue IMO ...

Every single law (country) in this world is based on the word of God, it has nothing to do with common sense. If that were the case you wouldn't have people living in the bush fashioning bones through there faces hunting each other like wild animals.

 

[Morbach]

Every single law (country) in this world is based on the word of God, it has nothing to do with common sense. If that were the case you wouldn't have people living in the bush fashioning bones through there faces hunting each other like wild animals.

exactly!!! That's what I was gonna say. Common sense-in a sense-is the word of god.

 

[occulum]

Every single law (country) in this world is based on the word of God, it has nothing to do with common sense. If that were the case you wouldn't have people living in the bush fashioning bones through there faces hunting each other like wild animals.

exactly. And thats the problem.

Imagine of all those religions 1 of them is the right one. That could potentially mean that all of the others might as well be based on Howard the Duck.

People need to learn to think for themselves and not look for guidance in some vague, might be true, might not be true, blurry book.

"Should I shoot this guy in the face? ..... hold on... let me check to see what the book says I should do..."

 

[FQRizzo]

exactly!!! That's what I was gonna say. Common sense-in a sense-is the word of god.

...or vice versa.

 

[Voorhees27]

exactly!!! That's what I was gonna say. Common sense-in a sense-is the word of god.

If most people could set an extremist aide from a practising Jew, Christian or Muslim then there would be no tention towards religion. I challenge ANYONE to find ANYTHING violent in any of the 3 mentioned religions.

I've said it before ............. man is garbage and man alone should be responsible for his actions.

 

[Morbach]

Did you ever see the movie The Mist? One of the guys in it said something and I realized how true it was. He said when ppl get locked in a room together they start choosing sides and picking politics.

We are a very competitive species I guess you'd say.

 

[Voorhees27]

exactly. And thats the problem.

Imagine of all those religions 1 of them is the right one. That could potentially mean that all of the others might as well be based on Howard the Duck.

People need to learn to think for themselves and not look for guidance in some vague, might be true, might not be true, blurry book.

"Should I shoot this guy in the face? ..... hold on... let me check to see what the book says I should do..."

Okay fair enough but look at it this way, if you decide to live in North America then you MUST agree to follow the Christian established law. If you live in Saudi Arabia then you MUST agree to follow the established religious law there.

We are not talking about which religion is correct and which others are now obsolete, we are talking about following law (which was originally erected from the word of God) in the respective country you agree to reside in.

Once you break those laws you should be punished, thats all.

 

[The Chaver]

my father-in-law made me laugh last time he was in town when he said
"You know what faith is dont you? ...... believing in something you know is not true" ......

I like that line.

 

[occulum]

I like that line.

yeah he's really a breath of fresh air whenever he shows up. he can be very "out there".

He's retired now and has been thru about every religion possible. He winters in India now usually. We have great unbiased and open-minded discussions about religions. Very broad discussions.

Neither of us typically have good opinions towards most religions, but he did agree when I said "No matter what the religion is, if it makes a person make a better decision or do a good deed, then so be it. I dont care what theyre influenced by and its a good thing. Their religion might be one of the biggest jokes on earth, but if it resulted in a good deed, then thats still a good thing that came from that religion (fairy tale)"

I just get frustrated people even need any religion as guidance as to whats right and whats wrong.

He also mentioned that over where he visits in India there's not much law enforcement of any kind around and that the people rely on fear of Karma to keep them from committing crimes or any bad deeds what so ever.
I thought that was great personally. No matter what anybody in their life as far as decision making goes they should look to 1 question to base their judgement. "Would I like someone else to do the same to me?" if the answer is No, then dont do it. Plain and simple. No need to refer to a religion for direction.

Whatever God is out there and in control must constantly Face-Palm himself and think "For the Love of ME!! can't these people make any decisions for themselves. What a waste of that brain thing I put in them"

 

[Memnoch]

Nothing really new to chime in with, but I have to say Im kind of amazed that the discourse has been this civil. I hope this one stays open because this is the type of thread I can really see some interesting enlightened talk about overall human nature coming from.

 

[ProgMatinee]

never ending cycle and anyone pretending, on either side, that they're righteous is full of it. all I gots to say is I act and say whats on my mind according to my belief system and I don't back down from it and I don't play the fence or join in majorities with the hope that the bigger group is right.

I have no idea whether abortion or capital punishment or supporting a war against people you view as dangerous or wrong is good or evil in God's eyes. I have no idea if gay marriage is ok or bad in God's eyes, but you know what, I go with my gut feelings and how I interpret the Bible and I ain't gonna change it because the majority wants me to.

If I change my views its will be based on personal experience and a change in ideology.

Also, I just want to say that when I said I felt "zero remorse" in the other thread that didn't mean I was glad or celebrating it. It just meant I didn't feel like mourning it. I wouldn't feel like mourning any person's death that I believed was an evil person. Then again I'm rather cold emotionally and don't feel much when any body dies.

 

[KitFisto]

I have been disgusted with humanity for a long time. The complete lack of moral standing in the world is a huge part of it's probelm. That's all I will say in this thread because there is no arguing with some people. ( no one specific )

 

[Fritz]

Frodo: Pity Bilbo didn't kill him when he had the chance!

Gandalf: Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.

Frodo: I wish the Ring had never come to me.
I wish none of this had happened...

Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, in which case you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought...

 

[ProgMatinee]

I have been disgusted with humanity for a long time. The complete lack of moral standing in the world is a huge part of it's probelm. That's all I will say in this thread because there is no arguing with some people. ( no one specific )

I'll have to agree. I've been disgusted with most of humanity for probably 1/2 of my short time on this earth. Whats funny, and related to the never ending cycle I mentioned above is that I'm probably disgusted with the half of humanity that some people here side with and I'm on the half that they find disgusting.



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[Anzik]

I do think it's worthy to note that many people point to Religion as being largely responsible for death and war. At the same time Communist regimes who espouse Atheism and secularism have slaughtered over 110,000,000 people all for the good of the common man.
This thread also serves to note that denial of human nature is futile. Good behavior is something that needs to be impressed each day, and things like daily prayer are constant reminders to keep ourselves in check.
It's also important to keep in mind that we always fall back on human nature, and complacency. Humans often hold Utopian ideals that are unrealistic and unattainable. The ideals in the America constitution, which are centered around religion, (Despite popular teaching, only Franklin and Jefferson could be classified as Deists and Jefferson had written many references to Christ as 'our savior'.) specifically that our rights were given to us by our creator and Nature's God. Otherwise if there was no creator, man has bestowed these rights and therefore man can rescind them. The only way to make people truly equal is to reduce them to the lowest common denominator. Human's need a tangible incentive to stay motivated despite what Gene Roddenbery hoped for. Without the ability to fail or succeed we become weak, complacent and on the path to extinction. The founding fathers had an astounding understanding of human nature and common sense, which is why the government was supposed to be limited and the rights of the individual were paramount.

 

[King Darkness]

I'm disgusted with Nick Saban!

 

[GrueSam]

You are on fire, Andy!


And Fritz:

 

[The Chaver]

yeah he's really a breath of fresh air whenever he shows up. he can be very "out there".

He's retired now and has been thru about every religion possible. He winters in India now usually. We have great unbiased and open-minded discussions about religions. Very broad discussions.

Neither of us typically have good opinions towards most religions, but he did agree when I said "No matter what the religion is, if it makes a person make a better decision or do a good deed, then so be it. I dont care what theyre influenced by and its a good thing. Their religion might be one of the biggest jokes on earth, but if it resulted in a good deed, then thats still a good thing that came from that religion (fairy tale)"

I just get frustrated people even need any religion as guidance as to whats right and whats wrong.

He also mentioned that over where he visits in India there's not much law enforcement of any kind around and that the people rely on fear of Karma to keep them from committing crimes or any bad deeds what so ever.
I thought that was great personally. No matter what anybody in their life as far as decision making goes they should look to 1 question to base their judgement. "Would I like someone else to do the same to me?" if the answer is No, then dont do it. Plain and simple. No need to refer to a religion for direction.

Whatever God is out there and in control must constantly Face-Palm himself and think "For the Love of ME!! can't these people make any decisions for themselves. What a waste of that brain thing I put in them"

Yeah religion was definitely made to guide people. But yeah, people don't need religion to "do the right thing" it's common sense that should already be embedded in that brain of ours. And in that, I think religion is irrelevant in these times and probably should have been for at least 50 years now. Hanging on to these old beliefs will soon fade and hopefully no new ones will spring up (Scientology).

What ever the true meaning of life: where we came from, what are we doing here and where we're going? Is probably a well guarded secret anyway. The only gods here are the rulers of the nations of the world. They most likely know more then these religions and will decide after (thorough preconditioning) when we are ready for these truths. But I do think the time is near.

We are more now on the dicovery of these truths then ever before and will soon find the answers. We're not going to get these answers from some ancient religious texts that don't explain things in OUR lanuage,in OUR thinking. We will get these answers now in this time or in the very distant future. We are now on the verge of an exponential information explosion!

 

[Anzik]

I'm disgusted with Nick Saban!

You're just mad because he's and anti-Kuganite.