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I do think it's worthy to note that many people point to Religion as being largely responsible for death and war. At the same time Communist regimes who espouse Atheism and secularism have slaughtered over 110,000,000 people all for the good of the common man.
This thread also serves to note that denial of human nature is futile. Good behavior is something that needs to be impressed each day, and things like daily prayer are constant reminders to keep ourselves in check.
It's also important to keep in mind that we always fall back on human nature, and complacency. Humans often hold Utopian ideals that are unrealistic and unattainable. The ideals in the America constitution, which are centered around religion, (Despite popular teaching, only Franklin and Jefferson could be classified as Deists and Jefferson had written many references to Christ as 'our savior'.) specifically that our rights were given to us by our creator and Nature's God. Otherwise if there was no creator, man has bestowed these rights and therefore man can rescind them. The only way to make people truly equal is to reduce them to the lowest common denominator. Human's need a tangible incentive to stay motivated despite what Gene Roddenbery hoped for. Without the ability to fail or succeed we become weak, complacent and on the path to extinction. The founding fathers had an astounding understanding of human nature and common sense, which is why the government was supposed to be limited and the rights of the individual were paramount.

In agreement and very well put.
 
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"here's a chicken! you eat this, or we'll kill another chicken!"....:rotfl.....classic!
 
What does it take for a human to interpret the words in the Bible? Which in turn were interpretations of the word of God... if they were at all, and not just the creation of man entirely.

You ever play the game telephone? Sometimes when you play with someone the message gets screwed up within the first passing. So, that being the case I find it difficult that most of the Bible which was handed down orally before actually being scripted and passed along that way is to be taken literally. That it is to be taken as if it were divinely intercepted is laughable. I believe in the basic principles and outlines of the Bible. The teachings and suggestions on how to live life. I don't believe its a document to be taken literally and many of the issues of organized religion comes from those who take their doctorine of any faith so literally.

I think man has a looooong way to go yet. We haven't seemed to learn much from the bloodshed of our past. :lol

Man's inability to learn from the mistakes of the past leads only to the inevitable task of repeating it.
 
meh... you guys think too much, your not enough ^^^^ and balls. life is harsh get used to it
 
You ever play the game telephone? Sometimes when you play with someone the message gets screwed up within the first passing. So, that being the case I find it difficult that most of the Bible which was handed down orally before actually being scripted and passed along that way is to be taken literally. That it is to be taken as if it were divinely intercepted is laughable. I believe in the basic principles and outlines of the Bible. The teachings and suggestions on how to live life. I don't believe its a document to be taken literally and many of the issues of organized religion comes from those who take their doctorine of any faith so literally.

Exactly. :lecture :lecture
 
Just catching up on this thread. I just gotta say "Wow!" Are you comparing a chicken egg to a human embryo?

Mesa, if you had half a brain.... you would have READ my followup with Gruesam and realized that my statement was a joke. A really bad one at that. I don't think they are the same thing at all. Seriously.... I think you just read what you want to read, and see what you want to see.

But whatever, I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over it. :lol

I also want to reiterate that I am not on EITHER side of the abortion issue. In fact I am clearly right dead in the middle. I think both sides have valid points, but both also can be wrong. I don't condone it, wouldn't do it myself, etc... just want to say that AGAIN before I am painted some baby killing liberal. ;)

Religion has it's plus sides and negative sides, but I choose to not practice any set doctrine. The Bible to me is a great guide book with a lot of good stories in it, but not something for me to base my life around. My Wife and I believe there is something up there, be it God or whatever... But we will not buy into any faith, and our future children will not either. At least while they grow up. I have strong morals, but they are my own... and of my own choosing. I don't feel like organized religion is really necessary for me and my family, we do just fine without it.

Anzik wrote a great post earlier, but I feel that it does paint a picture that I don't really agree with. The fact that humanity needs God or we will be brutal and evil, it's crazy to me. I hate that mankind needs an invisible father figure to tell us what is wrong and what is right. We have that moral compass within us all, without intervention from this or that deity. And as he said, blood has been spilled by non believers as well... of course. I agree as well. But I just feel like imposing religious beliefs on a nation is the wrong way to go about things. Why can't people just be kind to their brothers because they WANT to? Because they know it's right? Not because it will forbid them entry into heaven if they don't.

I do what I do in this world not to cement my afterlife, but rather to make a positive impact with my actions. Whether that impact is small or large, it doesn't come from pressure to be remembered or to make it into heaven... I do it because I know it's right.

People don't need prayer to remind them to do this, they just need to remind themselves to do it. It's OUR responsibility to take control of our lives and be good people.
 
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