EBay Is Just So Damned Horrible ...

[devilof76]

I'm finding out more and more from this board that I'm just dirt poor and don't realize it!

Don't worry Ween. As long as I'm around, you won't be the poorest.

 

[Blackthornone]

In reality, something is worth what the buyer is willing to pay, and there is no inequity.

If it can be made for less, then it isn't worth that, because then, you would have it for less money. Something is only worth the cost that is inherently required to pay. If you pay any more than that, you aren't paying for the item, you are paying a convenience charge, sort of like how things cost more at the 7-11 than they do at the grocery store.
Profit is achieved by selling something for more than it costs you, and hence, involves inequity. If a seller charged a buyer the same that is costs the seller , there is no inequity.

 

[Blackthornone]

Yeah car costs 140K to make but they sell it for 360K. A house cost 150K to make but sells for 1 million with property. Its what the consumers is willing to pay.

It is essentially extortion to charge more than something costs to make. The house example you gave indicates the market price, but that is a matter of perceived worth, and not REAL worth. When I say that something is not worth more than it costs to make, I am talking about REAL worth, because THAT is the cost that will not change. Any additional costs beyond that will fluctuate. I believe that REAL worth NEVER changes. Only perceived worth is changeable. For example, a lot of stocks are valued for more than the company actually holds in assets, and so that inflated stock price is based upon it's perceived value, or its speculative value, because it is assumed that the company will continue to grow and be more valuable. That is not real world value. When the speculation stops, the price of the stock plummets to maybe 1/5th or even less of it's previous price. The inherent value of a company's assets are its real world value. Anything beyond that is just BS.
When people stop wanting to pay the perceived value, then you find out what something is really worth. Yes, a lot of the method by which the value of things is determined in this world is BS, and unlike a lot of people, I don't deny it. I know that one day, things will only be worth what they cost to make, and as far as anyone who payed more than that, a fool and his money are soon parted. It's like the Emperor's New Clothes.

Another reason why the real value of something isn't what the consumer is willing to pay is because some people don't want to pay ANYTHING for something, and so they steal it, and get it for free, for nothing. By the reasoning that something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay, that would make that thing worth nothing. Clearly, it isn't worth nothing, because it is something. Something can never be worth nothing. What is the something made of? Materials and labor are the somethings that comprise it, and so those, and those alone determine a thing's real world value, and not how much of an inflated price beyond that that one person is willing to pay, nor the nothing that another person is willing to pay to get it by stealing it. Any cost other than the cost to make something in determining it's cost is nonsense, because it is ever changing. The idea that something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay is based upon sophistry, and I don't believe in sophistry. I believe in inherent values.

 

[Skiman]

I'm finding out more and more from this board that I'm just dirt poor and don't realize it!

Need to move in wit da Ski

 

[Blackthornone]

Need to move in wit da Ski

Good luck with that, Ski.

 

[Skiman]

Good luck with that, Ski.

I need to convert to Mormon as well.

 

[AllisonAmy]

I've always had good experiences...but I'm going to be selling what many consider to be a "grail" and I'm just nervous selling something on ebay that is of high value. I really don't want it to turn into a nightmare.

Understood!!

 

[devilof76]

How positively Marxist of you. You know, if what you're saying was actually true, Soviet Russia would have been a success.

If it can be made for less, then it isn't worth that, because then, you would have it for less money. Something is only worth the cost that is inherently required to pay. If you pay any more than that, you aren't paying for the item, you are paying a convenience charge, sort of like how things cost more at the 7-11 than they do at the grocery store.
Profit is achieved by selling something for more than it costs you, and hence, involves inequity. If a seller charged a buyer the same that is costs the seller , there is no inequity.

It is essentially extortion to charge more than something costs to make. The house example you gave indicates the market price, but that is a matter of perceived worth, and not REAL worth. When I say that something is not worth more than it costs to make, I am talking about REAL worth, because THAT is the cost that will not change. Any additional costs beyond that will fluctuate. I believe that REAL worth NEVER changes. Only perceived worth is changeable. For example, a lot of stocks are valued for more than the company actually holds in assets, and so that inflated stock price is based upon it's perceived value, or its speculative value, because it is assumed that the company will continue to grow and be more valuable. That is not real world value. When the speculation stops, the price of the stock plummets to maybe 1/5th or even less of it's previous price. The inherent value of a company's assets are its real world value. Anything beyond that is just BS.
When people stop wanting to pay the perceived value, then you find out what something is really worth. Yes, a lot of the method by which the value of things is determined in this world is BS, and unlike a lot of people, I don't deny it. I know that one day, things will only be worth what they cost to make, and as far as anyone who payed more than that, a fool and his money are soon parted. It's like the Emperor's New Clothes.

Another reason why the real value of something isn't what the consumer is willing to pay is because some people don't want to pay ANYTHING for something, and so they steal it, and get it for free, for nothing. By the reasoning that something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay, that would make that thing worth nothing. Clearly, it isn't worth nothing, because it is something. Something can never be worth nothing. What is the something made of? Materials and labor are the somethings that comprise it, and so those, and those alone determine a thing's real world value, and not how much of an inflated price beyond that that one person is willing to pay, nor the nothing that another person is willing to pay to get it by stealing it. Any cost other than the cost to make something in determining it's cost is nonsense, because it is ever changing. The idea that something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay is based upon sophistry, and I don't believe in sophistry. I believe in inherent values.

 

[mr.thrifty]

I've always had good experiences...but I'm going to be selling what many consider to be a "grail" and I'm just nervous selling something on ebay that is of high value. I really don't want it to turn into a nightmare.

Sell it as a pick up only.. if you want I'll go along with you as "muscle" to keep everything Kosher...

 

[Skiman]

poltics , big words and brain spasms is why I don't come to a toy forum. Bah

 

[Skiman]

Sell it as a pick up only.. if you want I'll go along with you as "muscle" to keep everything Kosher...

I'll go to kick Thrift and take what's rightfully mine.

 

[AllisonAmy]

poltics , big words and brain spasms is why I don't come to a toy forum.

Please stop banging your head! It makes me feel bad for you!

 

[devilof76]

poltics , big words and brain spasms is why I don't come to a toy forum. Bah

But I kept it short.

Sorry Ski.

 

[mr.thrifty]

I'll go to kick Thrift and take what's rightfully mine.

Why I oughtta ....

 

[Balsquat]

Check out this link. A perfect example of what your saying.
https://cgi.ebay.com/Sideshow-1-6-s...ultDomain_0&hash=item255c593f58#ht_692wt_1139

The listing says "only taken out once for inspection, yet the idiot left the scabbard attached to the figures belt when it should have been stored in a separate part of package. This figure is guaranteed displayed or played with. What an A-hole.

Suggestion for sellers: Be honest. If it is dusty and has been poorly maintained, say so. If it has been displayed for years, don't describe it as new because it isn't. If there are chips, don't take out the marker to cover things up as you will get caught and likely blasted publically. Lastly, and most importantly, don't take your collectors for *******. Inspect the item thoroughly prior to posting the item as it is entirelly possibly that you may have missed something like a hole in the fabric of the PF. If so, don't pray the buyer misses it, be honest about it.

While it's unfortunate that sellers often sell items because they desperately need the money, their unfortunate personal issues don't entitle them to set buyers up for disappointment and stress. It's very easy to avoid these problems if you focus primarily on a fair transaction and not solely on a profitable one.

 

[Mesa]

How positively Marxist of you. You know, if what you're saying was actually true, Soviet Russia would have been a success.

That's what I was thinking. Didn't even make it past the first few sentences before I realized I don't need to read the rest of this socialist crap to know I don't agree with it.

 

[Blackthornone]

That's what I was thinking. Didn't even make it past the first few sentences before I realized I don't need to read the rest of this socialist crap to know I don't agree with it.

I'm not a socialist. I'm essentially anti- government and have everyone grow their own food and never work for anyone else, and anything they need, make for themselves, or make something they make well, and engage in completely even trade to people who can make what they want, for those non essentials that they want. I'm an isolationist idealist, not a socialist. I'm for minimum government intervention.

 

[Skiman]

and here we go

 

[devilof76]

If hints were anvils, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[karamazov80]

Today I was thinking about it, and I came to the conclusion that eBay ain't so damned horrible, really.

Glad to have resolved that for everyone. Thread can be closed now.