Economic Plan/Crisis of each candidate

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A financial collapse is coming...dollar will go bankrupt...the economy is in trouble...if you have stock/savings/401 k get your money out...hold your own money...buy gold/silver, guns, ammo, storable food

dollars being printed out of thin air.......dont fall for this scam to tax the american people...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlg...ldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=305225

ron paul tells it like it is


Good link. It confirms the problem as I see it.

All I know is that the US is overspending money. The US is financing a war that no longer has a point. We're pouring money into other countries (that don't necessarily like us much) that are in trouble while ignoring our own domestic troubles. Everytime there's some unstable area in world peace, the US thinks it's their responsibility to come to the rescue. We spend a lot of money (I don't know the actual figures) on foreign aid and supporting our military to police the world. I fully anticipate our military to stick their nose in Iran and Russia.

In addition to this, here domestically we have created a generation of LAZY AMERICANS who feel entitled for the government to wipe their butt for them. Whether it be wellfare, abusing the broken medical system through frivolous lawsuits, or buying a house they can't afford, a large group of people feel entitled to more than they can afford or should be able to afford without having worked for it. Now before you criticize me, of course I wholely support the US government supporting the disabled (mentally/physically) and those less fortunate, abused, and truely deserving people. Problem is, too many people think they fit in this category. Our goverment and their social reform has made it too easy for people that don't want to work hard for the things they feel they deserve to just ask government to write them a check or extend their credit so they can get those things... and when the bill collector comes knocking, they either find refuge in bankruptcy or ask the goverment to bail them out or help make their payments on their mansion.

Regardless of whether you agree with my view, I think you must agree there is some truth into underlying problem. The United States is facing a serious finicial problem right now. There's no denying it.

And after reading both of these long-term economic solutions, not to be confused with Bush/Congress proposed $700 Billion bailout, I see a clear winner.

Obama's looks good. That's why I linked it first. He's pointed out a lot of problems that we are facing and promises change.

But that's about it. There's little mention of how to get us there.

McCain's plan is over 2X long and full of important details to see us down this difficult path. While Obama has pointed out all the problems, so has McCain along with offering solutions, which also mean CHANGING how things have been run.

The biggest problem that I see in Obama's plan is there is NO mention of cutting goverment spending. That is part of the reason we got into this problem; Our government handing out money like it grew on trees to an "entitled" population. Obama's plan promises more benefits to the lower/middle class. HOW CAN WE KEEP AFFORDING TO GIVE PEOPLE MONEY THAT DOESN'T EXIST??? By restricting the wealthy and increasing their taxes. Guess what, ^^^^^ rolls downhill, who do you think those increased costs will be passed on to? McCain's plan recommends cuts in government spending, eliminating dependence on foreign oil, alternative fuel research, fixing a broken healthcare, punishing those responsible for our current economic crisis. It covered so many different points, some of which I can't recall at the moment.

I wish I could get behind Obama. He sounds like a great leader. But what he is promoting is not going to get us out of this economic slump.

Oh yeah, and if there is any question as to the cause of our current economic crisis, here's how I see it. The credit companies are failing because of the failing housing market. A couple of years ago, there was a housing boom. Real Estate prices were increasing exponentially. They were falsely inflated beyond actual value. During Clinton's 8 years, one of the things that he got passed was to lower the credit requirements on potential home owners, it passed. see the unbiased link on yahoo answersIt was mandated across mortgage companies as a matter of fact. The current president Bush tried to have this reversed, but was rejected by a democratic congress. So what you're left with is low income individuals feeling entitled to owning a $400,000 house/mansion, being promised by unethical loan companies that they can afford that mansion and make payment no problem, and then when prices of homes drop because the supply is too high (as it is now) and the demand is not there, people are locked into a $400,000 loan on a property that has devalued to $200,000. Why would anyone want to stay in that situation, they bail, and the banks are lefting holding the check, and an empty property they can't sell due to low demand. And now those banks can't extend credit, because that money is invested in property (useless to banks) that has seriously decreased in value. This creates panic throughout wall street, and we see 300-400 dips in the DJ on a daily/weekly period.
 
I have long ago read the policies... as I wanted to be 100% sure of my decision. I agreed with every aspect of the Obama plan. McCain has some good ideas as well, certainly not all bad.

But I still highly encourage any undecided voters or those who actually want to make an informed decision to check out their sites and decide on the facts. Something that makes it a bit easier for people, and I highly recommend it... is to check out this easy quiz on Myspace. It's not affiliated with either party, but rather it lays out the plans simply and has you choose which makes more sense to you. It doesn't tell you which candidate believes in which answer, and that helps you make an unbiased decision. Check it out!

https://www.myspace.com/mydebates
 
Well letting banks keep your assets isnt the way to go! if a bank or your bank collapses, expect to lose your money....if you dont hold it (physically posess), you dont own it!

investing money is the foundation of our economic system...they use that money for loans, etc. which people buy items and services and this is where we're all employed. plus you are insured up to a certain amount by FDIC. and before you talk about the reserves available to pay out everyone's money not being there if everyone pulls there money out then it isn't worth anything at that point and you might as well put it in the fireplace to keep yourself warm because it won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

also if the market falls below a certain percent on a given day, etc., then they close the market and no more purchases/sales can be made until they reopen the market.

chill out everyone, it's called the economic cycle although with the home loan crap it has an extra wrench thrown into the equation. don't spend more than you make, educate yourself to make yourself hireable and don't expect the government or anyone else for that matter to give you anything.
 
investing money is the foundation of our economic system...they use that money for loans, etc. which people buy items and services and this is where we're all employed. plus you are insured up to a certain amount by FDIC. and before you talk about the reserves available to pay out everyone's money not being there if everyone pulls there money out then it isn't worth anything at that point and you might as well put it in the fireplace to keep yourself warm because it won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

also if the market falls below a certain point on a given day, etc., then they close the market and no more purchases/sales can be made until they reopen the market.

chill out everyone, it's called the economic cycle. don't spend more than you make, educate yourself to make yourself hireable and don't expect the government or anyone else for that matter to give you anything.



Yeah, teemu seems to react on the extreme, but I can understand why. I try to be a little more "realistic", like this thread. Just yesterday, I moved a certain percentage of my 401k from funds that made a little money and moved them into some funds that had lost 25% (which I lucklily wansn't invested in until that move). I gfigure it fits the goal of buy low, sell high. I really hope to see us out of this, but I think the next few years will be very shakey.
 
Well letting banks keep your assets isnt the way to go! if a bank or your bank collapses, expect to lose your money....if you dont hold it (physically posess), you dont own it!
Government do not just print money "out of thin air". There's a formula they use, apart from replacing worn out and otherwise defaced notes, which is why in some years it is hardly necessary to print any extra at all, which makes certain notes and coin valuable as a collectible.

Banks, at least, are supposed to be backed by the government, which is the people. It's different if you had said building societies or credit co-ops and the like, cause if they go under, so does your dough. Anyway, that's the way it is in my country.

In any case, having the cash under your mattress, doesn't stop the government from changing what defines legal tender.

You always go off half cocked teemu. You're a reincarnation of the boy who cried wolf. We're all just waiting till one of your arguments come true and we can ignore your 'told you so' attitude, because by then you'll have had all your bases covered.
 
I took the test thingy, I guess im more Obama....but I did agree with McCain on the gun laws. Why should the makers be responsible for the idiots who use they wrong?
 
Government do not just print money "out of thin air". There's a formula they use, apart from replacing worn out and otherwise defaced notes, which is why in some years it is hardly necessary to print any extra at all, which makes certain notes and coin valuable as a collectible.

Banks, at least, are supposed to be backed by the government, which is the people. It's different if you had said building societies or credit co-ops and the like, cause if they go under, so does your dough. Anyway, that's the way it is in my country.

In any case, having the cash under your mattress, doesn't stop the government from changing what defines legal tender.

You always go off half cocked teemu. You're a reincarnation of the boy who cried wolf. We're all just waiting till one of your arguments come true and we can ignore your 'told you so' attitude, because by then you'll have had all your bases covered.

ok then fool....so when money is printed...what backing does it have???
NOTHING! My arguements are true, but you decide to not believe them, which is fine...I dont care! the federal reserve is a private bank, its not government...our constitution declares...that gold and silver is to be coined as legal tender...now paper is just printed up by the tons and pumped into the system causing inflation and devalueing our savings!! wake up! or be rammed up the ass!! enjoy the ride then
 
I took the test thingy, I guess im more Obama....but I did agree with McCain on the gun laws. Why should the makers be responsible for the idiots who use they wrong?

It's a great test, really helps break down the issues and show people where they end up on the spectrum.
 
Yeah, teemu seems to react on the extreme, but I can understand why. I try to be a little more "realistic", like this thread. Just yesterday, I moved a certain percentage of my 401k from funds that made a little money and moved them into some funds that had lost 25% (which I lucklily wansn't invested in until that move). I gfigure it fits the goal of buy low, sell high. I really hope to see us out of this, but I think the next few years will be very shakey.

reallocating is key, that's for sure.
 
ok then fool....so when money is printed...what backing does it have???
NOTHING! My arguements are true, but you decide to not believe them, which is fine...I dont care! the federal reserve is a private bank, its not government...our constitution declares...that gold and silver is to be coined as legal tender...now paper is just printed up by the tons and pumped into the system causing inflation and devalueing our savings!! wake up! or be rammed up the ass!! enjoy the ride then

Teemu... I am going to warn you... continue and an infraction will be handed out. :emperor

You are the worst kind of troll, and I swear I will not hesitate to drop the hammer on you if you continue to try to spark anger in this thread. :D
 
ok then fool....so when money is printed...what backing does it have???
NOTHING! My arguements are true, but you decide to not believe them, which is fine...I dont care! the federal reserve is a private bank, its not government...our constitution declares...that gold and silver is to be coined as legal tender...now paper is just printed up by the tons and pumped into the system causing inflation and devalueing our savings!! wake up! or be rammed up the ass!! enjoy the ride then

teemu, please be civil and don't get this thread locked. Voice your opinion, but don't start name calling or this temporary medium to voice your opinion will be locked. Please.
 
teemu, please be civil and don't get this thread locked. Voice your opinion, but don't start name calling or this temporary medium to voice your opinion will be locked. Please.


ok gotcha, enjoy the rest of the discussion
 
It's a great test, really helps break down the issues and show people where they end up on the spectrum.

I'm going to take the test Josh, but before I do, I just want to voice that I think it will be biased. I know you said it's not biased, but how can I be sure of that? Who made this test? I hope the question aren't written in such a way that puts a negative light on any answers that correspond to a positive for McCain.
 
I'm going to take the test Josh, but before I do, I just want to voice that I think it will be biased. I know you said it's not biased, but how can I be sure of that? Who made this test? I hope the question aren't written in such a way that puts a negative light on any answers that correspond to a positive for McCain.

I promise... it was made by the Commission on Presidential Debates, they are a non party group. The questions are not in any way written to make you like one answer over the other, I found it very middle of the road. Even my Wife, who is also a staunch Obama supporter, found that she agreed with McCain on a few issues. That's why I wanted to share it with you guys. It's really a great quiz.
 
Its not baised. I didnt know which was Obama or McCain...save for the Abortion and Gay Marriage ones.
 
I promise... it was made by the Commission on Presidential Debates, they are a non party group. The questions are not in any way written to make you like one answer over the other, I found it very middle of the road. Even my Wife, who is also a staunch Obama supporter, found that she agreed with McCain on a few issues. That's why I wanted to share it with you guys. It's really a great quiz.

Damn thing locked up my PC. Had to shut down IE. I'll try again. Maybe your promotion cause a hit on the server, bunch of SSFreaks getting involved. :lol
 
I know this link doesnt really have much to do with this thread but it kinda does being that it would be federally run which would cost money..which i just dont understand why Obama would wanna do it. i know this is about the economy so if someone could answer then move on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared

read the first paragraph under coverage and access. seems like a bad plan to me. plus i like having a doctor, i dont want to loose him.
 
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