elektra white comiquette!!

[fuzzylojiks]

If the item is sold before you have it in hand you have flipped it IMO.

 

[Kibishii]

this thread keeps going back and forth from on topic to flipping topic. i don't even read the flipping posts anymore.

No kidding, I don't know why a mod hasn't cleaned this crap up yet up yet and forced the issue back into "Other Discussions."

 

[nash]

There is nothing illegal about what you are doing. It is certainly in the spirit of capitalism. And I'm sure you have found a way of doing the multiple accounts in a way that Sideshow can't tell that you have multiple accounts, such as having a family member and/or friend (do scalpers actually have friends?) have separate accounts at different addresses with different credit cards.

And I'm sure you sit by the computer all day so you can be the first to click on the pre-order button (got to admire that quick clicking skill!, probably took years to develop it!)

You are aware that every one of us here on this message board could do the same exact thing. There is nothing special about what you do. So not sure exactly what you are bragging about. I ran a 26.2 mile marathon and have run multiple half marathons, I feel proud about that. I trained for months. Woke up at 5 AM on Sundays for long runs of 10, 15, 20, 22 miles as I prepared. I think it was special. I worked hard for it. There is nothing special about having a couple of family members names to order stuff with or about sitting by the computer to quickly click on pre-order. So why are you so proud of what you do. I didn't hurt anyone when I ran my marathon, you hurt others who would like to buy at retail. So what are you so proud and smug about?

The fact is that what you are doing is taking away the opportunity of others to buy something at retail so that you can profit for doing essentially nothing. AND you are doing that to people who are part of the same communities (such as this message board) that you are a part of. So basically, instead of helping others get items at retail, you are a parasite on this community. If you can live with that fine. But don't try to convince everyone to agree with you that what you are doing is okay. Because many of us don't think its okay and look on you as a low life scalper. Why are you trying to convince us its okay? If you are okay with it, go for it, its certainly not illegal. But I and many others will call you out on it when you try to convince us its okay, because in our eyes it is not.

im the one that spends too much time on the computer? look at what you wrote! all of that for someone (me) who could give a ____ about what you think or what you have to say. youre a nobody son. I love when tools like yourself get worked up. please keep wasting your time by making long winded posts that i couldnt care less about

 

[jlprjlpr]

im the one that spends too much time on the computer? look at what you wrote! all of that for someone (me) who could give a ____ about what you think or what you have to say. youre a nobody son. I love when tools like yourself get worked up. please keep wasting your time by making long winded posts that i couldnt care less about

"a nobody"
"tools"

I'm not surprised by your comments, after all, you are a scalper

 

[316what]

By the way, your analogy is invalid. Runners are interested in their PR (personal record). It is an individual sport. Of course, at an olympic level, maybe the top few guys are competing for first place but for the majority, it is about competing with oneself.

Thank you for reinforcing my stance. So, all of those people who run the NYC marathon don't care one bit about coming in first as long as they beat their PR? Please just stop. You're embarassing yourself.

But, just as in running, you can't put everyone into one category.

You continue to say that scalpers/flippers are the bain of all collectors yet you completely ignore the other two parts of the triad: manufacturers and buyers.

If manufacturers didn't produce limited items, there wouldn't be scalpers. And if people didn't buy from scalpers they wouldn't exist.

You can't conveniently dismiss 2 of the 3 and focus your ire on the 3rd.

 

[daikkenaurora]

If the item is sold before you have it in hand you have flipped it IMO.

hahaha That is definitely flipping.

Sideshow statues go on ebay as soon as the PO opens.

 

[316what]

hahaha That is definitely flipping.

Sideshow statues go on ebay as soon as the PO opens.

And before in some cases.

 

[Blackthornone]

Thank you for reinforcing my stance. So, all of those people who run the NYC marathon don't care one bit about coming in first as long as they beat their PR? Please just stop. You're embarassing yourself.

But, just as in running, you can't put everyone into one category.

You continue to say that scalpers/flippers are the bain of all collectors yet you completely ignore the other two parts of the triad: manufacturers and buyers.

If manufacturers didn't produce limited items, there wouldn't be scalpers. And if people didn't buy from scalpers they wouldn't exist.

You can't conveniently dismiss 2 of the 3 and focus your ire on the 3rd.

Actually there are a LOT of marathoners who are only out to beat their personal best. A lot do it because they like the personal challenge and the experience of running. Yes, there are many runners who also are highly competitive who really want first place, but you paint with too broad a brush. Gary Null, for example, is a World Champion marathon runner, and he is only interested in beating his personal record. At the end of the day, you can't go faster than you can go anyway, and you can't be someone elsre, so it doesn't make all that much sense to focus on beating other people, because it takes a lot of your attention away from what you are doing, and thus can make you slower. The people whose performance benefits most from competition are the people who don't push themselves to their limits otherwise, who are relatively lazy people, compared to the people that always push themselves to their limits and beyond.

Just because things are produced in limited numbers doesn't mean that there will be, or that there can be scalpers. For example, there was a Bruce Springsteen concert in which ticket holders were given wristbands that were non removable, to prevent scalpers from scalping. Bruce Springsteen wanted to make sure people could get seats for fair prices, and he doesn't like scalpers.
A scalper is unnecessary, because the point of a seller like SSC is to sell to a buyer, and not to seller to a seller who sells to a buyer. Selling to a seller is redundant and unnecessary. The middleman is more often than not a useless parasite, who contributes nothing. That is certainly the case with scalpers.

 

[Mesa]

Gotta love these flippers!!!!!!! They eat fishes and don't taste like tuna but they sure looks cute!!! I don't know how they taste for sure but hey, ask the Japanese or other people who eats em if you want to know how they taste. You can't go wrong saying they taste "like chickens"!!!

Yeah, what he said!!!!!!!

 

[daikkenaurora]

And before in some cases.

hahaha. I guess they use teaser pics in the auctions.

That is a pretty bold move.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

hahaha. I guess they use teaser pics in the auctions.

That is a pretty bold move.

Man they do it all the time, there were so many elektra's up and I saw like 20 Punisher's at one point. It's scalper eat scalper out there

 

[316what]

Actually there are a LOT of marathoners who are only out to beat their personal best. A lot do it because they like the personal challenge and the experience of running. Yes, there are many runners who also are highly competitive who really want first place, but you paint with too broad a brush. Gary Null, for example, is a World Champion marathon runner, and he is only interested in beating his personal record. At the end of the day, you can't go faster than you can go anyway, and you can't be someone elsre, so it doesn't make all that much sense to focus on beating other people, because it takes a lot of your attention away from what you are doing, and thus can make you slower. The people whose performance benefits most from competition are the people who don't push themselves to their limits otherwise, who are relatively lazy people, compared to the people that always push themselves to their limits and beyond.

How short-sighted of you. I'm not painting with a broad brush, only stating that you can't put everyone (marathoners and scalpers/flippers) in one neat/tidy category.

Marathon: a long-distance foot race.
Race: a competition of speed.

Now, if the sole goal of a marathon was to beat one's own personal best, then what would be the point of awards and titles for marathons? I'm sure the Olympic marathoners don't give two sheets about those silly Gold/Silver/Bronze medals as long as they beat their own personal best.

Just because things are produced in limited numbers doesn't mean that there will be, or that there can be scalpers. For example, there was a Bruce Springsteen concert in which ticket holders were given wristbands that were non removable, to prevent scalpers from scalping. Bruce Springsteen wanted to make sure people could get seats for fair prices, and he doesn't like scalpers.
A scalper is unnecessary, because the point of a seller like SSC is to sell to a buyer, and not to seller to a seller who sells to a buyer. Selling to a seller is redundant and unnecessary. The middleman is more often than not a useless parasite, who contributes nothing. That is certainly the case with scalpers.

In this isolated example, one could say that Bruce was being very proactive. But, more often than not, if something is limited it will have people attempting to make a buck from it. And ticket scalping is almost non-existent now since it is somewhat regulated.

And the point of SSC is to produce a product and be a profitable company....PERIOD. They don't really care who buys it and for what purpose as long as they're able to sell the item and the company profit. There is no difference to them between a buyer and a buyer who is a reseller. Both are buyers in the process of SSC profitability.

In the end, flippers/scalpers are an element of the collecting communities. No one is required to buy from them, but if someone really wants an item, they will buy. As long as there are limit items and people willing to buy from flippers/scalpers, they will exist. You cannot have 1 without the others.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

This thread delivers! Doesn't deliver much on Elektra but....... oh well!



/breaks out more popcorn

 

[Mr. Green]

This thread delivers! Doesn't deliver much on Elektra but....... oh well!

....

/breaks out more popcorn

I tell ya, there got to be some kind of subliminal message in there somewhere. Cause people keep coming back for more!!

OOOOOOOO OOOO OOOO OOOO OOOOOOOO
OO Post flipper/scalper subliminal message here! OO
OOOOOOOO OOOO OOOO OOOO OOOOOOOO

 

[Hulksmashed]

Just because things are produced in limited numbers doesn't mean that there will be, or that there can be scalpers. For example, there was a Bruce Springsteen concert in which ticket holders were given wristbands that were non removable, to prevent scalpers from scalping. Bruce Springsteen wanted to make sure people could get seats for fair prices, and he doesn't like scalpers.
A scalper is unnecessary, because the point of a seller like SSC is to sell to a buyer, and not to seller to a seller who sells to a buyer. Selling to a seller is redundant and unnecessary. The middleman is more often than not a useless parasite, who contributes nothing. That is certainly the case with scalpers.

Are you sure Springstein wasnt just performing at a prison?

Also, I got news for ya. The point of a seller like Sideshow, from thier perspective, is to sell thier products. The fact that they sell limited quantities cements their lack of concern for secondary markets.

If Sideshow puts out too low an ES they will sell out and they are happy. If thier ES is too big flippers stear clear and people will go to Sideshow for the product. A great example is them putting up 1 grey and 1 green hulk recently at the initial selling price! They could easily have put those on ebay and got 2 grand. If Sideshow doesnt care...why should we??

 

[Blackthornone]

Are you sure Springstein wasnt just performing at a prison?

Also, I got news for ya. The point of a seller like Sideshow, from thier perspective, is to sell thier products. The fact that they sell limited quantities cements their lack of concern for secondary markets.

If Sideshow puts out too low an ES they will sell out and they are happy. If thier ES is too big flippers stear clear and people will go to Sideshow for the product. A great example is them putting up 1 grey and 1 green hulk recently at the initial selling price! They could easily have put those on ebay and got 2 grand. If Sideshow doesnt care...why should we??

That's Springsteen, not Springstein. NO, he was NOT performing at a prison.


They put them up for cost so that people could get a great deal on these items. The PR is worth a lot more than the money. Their good reputation is worth more than money. That is what you don't understand. Reputation and goodwill is worth more than money. That is one of the reasons why scalping is wrong. If SSC really believed in scalping, then they WOULD have put them up on ebay for thousands of dollars. Thank you for making my point for me, that SSC doesn't believe in scalping their products!

 

[Mr. Green]

Ha it works....read my post!!!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOO OOOO OOOO OOOO OOOOOOOO
OO Post flipper/scalper subliminal message here! OO
OOOOOOOO OOOO OOOO OOOO OOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Blackthornone]

How short-sighted of you. I'm not painting with a broad brush, only stating that you can't put everyone (marathoners and scalpers/flippers) in one neat/tidy category.

Marathon: a long-distance foot race.
Race: a competition of speed.

Now, if the sole goal of a marathon was to beat one's own personal best, then what would be the point of awards and titles for marathons? I'm sure the Olympic marathoners don't give two sheets about those silly Gold/Silver/Bronze medals as long as they beat their own personal best.



In this isolated example, one could say that Bruce was being very proactive. But, more often than not, if something is limited it will have people attempting to make a buck from it. And ticket scalping is almost non-existent now since it is somewhat regulated.

And the point of SSC is to produce a product and be a profitable company....PERIOD. They don't really care who buys it and for what purpose as long as they're able to sell the item and the company profit. There is no difference to them between a buyer and a buyer who is a reseller. Both are buyers in the process of SSC profitability.

In the end, flippers/scalpers are an element of the collecting communities. No one is required to buy from them, but if someone really wants an item, they will buy. As long as there are limit items and people willing to buy from flippers/scalpers, they will exist. You cannot have 1 without the others.

You obviously don't know much about marathon runners or running marathons. Most people don't win, and they know they won't. Therefore, there are a LOT of people who only race for their personal best. Heck, a lot of people just strive to finish! Yes, of course everyone would like to win, but not everyone is driven to do so, but the point is that marathons are fair, and people win according to their OWN ability, and everyone knows when the race is when they are in it, and everyone starts at the same time, and theoretically, everyone COULD come in at exactly the same time. There is no limit on how many people can post a certain time.

These collectibles should have the same degree of non scalping regulation as do concert tickets if not more.

 

[Mr. Green]

Now if you put a carrot sticks in front of these marathon runner...I am sure they'll strive to win. I'll run too if they keep playing that Springsteen/Springstein in prison.

Now if you give me a Green/Grey Hulk and maybe a white Elektra, I'll let you win the marathon.

 

[Hulksmashed]

That's Springsteen, not Springstein. NO, he was NOT performing at a prison.


They put them up for cost so that people could get a great deal on these items. The PR is worth a lot more than the money. Their good reputation is worth more than money. That is what you don't understand. Reputation and goodwill is worth more than money. That is one of the reasons why scalping is wrong. If SSC really believed in scalping, then they WOULD have put them up on ebay for thousands of dollars. Thank you for making my point for me, that SSC doesn't believe in scalping their products!

Uh oh...is poor spelling evidence of moral lacking??

That argument makes no sense. I'd also like to point out that a good reputation is NOT worth more then money. It's worth more then immediate gains! Companies worry about reputation because a good reputation leads to more money down the road, not because it makes them feel good!

I'd also like to point out that if Sideshow HAD sold the statue for a $1000 bucks it STILL wouldnt be scalping! When an airline inflates the cost of a flight by 400% the day of travel its NOT scalping...its just increased value of the ticket for a service they provide!

Def of Scalping: "Someone who buys something and resells it at a price far above the initial cost"

In other words, since Sideshow didnt BUY it first and were the initial owners they can't possibly scalp! So, if Sideshow had charged $1000 it would have prevented profitable resale and thus eliminated the oppotunity for scalping.

Honestly dude, to call scalping immoral is just silly. Unfair, aggrivating, annoying...OK, but with alllll of the horrible and immoral behaviors that exist....I dont know it just seems silly to worry about!