EXO-6 Star Trek "General Discussion" 1/6 Line

[davejames]

Yeah I get the impression the main reason he wants to make Beyond is just for those cool Away Team outfits. Which is fine by me.

 

[Omegaplex]

Yeah, I think Exo-6's strength is really in their tailoring. It's really quite good, Quark in particular is an impressive piece of work. In the end, I think Nanjin will find a way to make Dukat. Dukat is just too important of a character. And Nanjin is just too stubborn and tenacious of a guy to leave Dukat out, he'll find a way when the time comes.

 

[Mooch]

If I had to guess, I'd say the problem with the Cardassians is the necks. They'd need a custom body.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Whenever it happens, Dukat will look insane.

 

[Brunt FCA]

If I had to guess, I'd say the problem with the Cardassians is the necks. They'd need a custom body.

Based on earlier pics, I believe the plan was (at least at one point) to do the neck as a "fake dickey" piece that goes over the shoulders of a regular body.
Edit: Strike that. Ignore the ramblings of a madman.

 

[GhostBeard]

When I was growing up, I thought I must be the only person in the world who likes Star Trek.
That was in 93-97.
If it weren't for the internet, old-school AOL message boards, I'd have never thought anyone liked it
And even then, those boards were filled with older fans bitching and moaning about NuTrek. Every other poster had "Bring Back Kirk" in their signature. DS9 was too dark and anti-Trek. Voyager was just "Star Trek: Lost In Space". After Enterprise was canceled, we all thought Trek was dead.
Yet now, here we are. Trek is actually in the Nielson top tens. Multiple Teek-only conventions across the globe, including the Comic-Con sized one in Vegas. Two different Trek cruises every year that sell out within weeks.
So clearly, someone watches it. And a lot of people still spend a crapload of money on it.

I have learned that just because content is being created, that doesn't mean it is turning a profit. Apparently the CW never turned a profit on anything they generated. Paramount is in financial problems. D+ is a disaster. Unless you are Netflix, streaming was not the gold mine everyone expected. The franchises of some of our youths are floundering, both in story and actual profit. And to your point, yes, there are pockets of internet activity that could make you think one or another IP is thriving or dying respectively. There will always be SnyderBros, pixie dust snorters, Star Wars simps, and Trekkies. But when you look at the big picture, i.e. the numbers as best as we can get them, the situation is bleak.

 

[Make It Go]

Based on earlier pics, I believe the plan was (at least at one point) to do the neck as a "fake dickey" piece that goes over the shoulders of a regular body.

This pic was posted about a year ago. It looks like the neck scaling was molded into the shoulders, as it was the only cost-effective (and practical) way to do it.

 

[DParga21]

I have learned that just because content is being created, that doesn't mean it is turning a profit. Apparently the CW never turned a profit on anything they generated. Paramount is in financial problems. D+ is a disaster. Unless you are Netflix, streaming was not the gold mine everyone expected. The franchises of some of our youths are floundering, both in story and actual profit. And to your point, yes, there are pockets of internet activity that could make you think one or another IP is thriving or dying respectively. There will always be SnyderBros, pixie dust snorters, Star Wars simps, and Trekkies. But when you look at the big picture, i.e. the numbers as best as we can get them, the situation is bleak.

Paramount is in financial trouble, yes. But what that means for Star Trek, we don't know.
Streaming is hitting an adjustment period. But as for whether Trek is thriving or dying? As an audience, the only thing we know yo gauge it by is, are we getting more Trek? And the answer to that is yes, quite a bit of it. So, really, anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. But, even if it weren't, I'm more inclined to believe what that Paramount exec told me directly than anything else.

 

[Kebron]

I have learned that just because content is being created, that doesn't mean it is turning a profit. Apparently the CW never turned a profit on anything they generated. Paramount is in financial problems. D+ is a disaster. Unless you are Netflix, streaming was not the gold mine everyone expected. The franchises of some of our youths are floundering, both in story and actual profit. And to your point, yes, there are pockets of internet activity that could make you think one or another IP is thriving or dying respectively. There will always be SnyderBros, pixie dust snorters, Star Wars simps, and Trekkies. But when you look at the big picture, i.e. the numbers as best as we can get them, the situation is bleak.

Netflix isn't even making a profit. All these streamers run at a deficit to make content to get subscribers, that they hope will stick around so they eventually will make a profit. It's a model they been using for years and they are now starting to feel the pinch.

As for what's successful and what's not, you really have to look at what's being made. They keep making Trek, SW, Marvel, they must bring in enough for them to keep making them. Supernatural ran on CW for 10 something years, they don't keep a show on that long if it's a failure, especially when you see popular shows get canceled with only one or two seasons.

Also when you look at shows like Yellowstone which is also a Paramount streaming show like Star Trek, it's a very popular and successful show, but by using the metrics you are using it should be labeled a failure.

The studio/streamers failures are much bigger then a handful of shows. It is possible for a show to be successful while the place that is making them and showing them is failing.

 

[Skyroes]

I’m just tired with streaming in general. Not one singular option exists that has everything that you want to watch, you find a show and then half way through watching it’s gets pulled off, the price hikes and commercials, etc.

There was a time when it was genuinely far better than cable but now it’s gone full circle.

 

[GhostBeard]

As for what's successful and what's not, you really have to look at what's being made. They keep making Trek, SW, Marvel, they must bring in enough for them to keep making them.

Disney makes 70% of their profits from the parks, 30% of that from the Orlando parks. Look at the numbers and you see Disney is losing hundreds of millions of dollars in theaters and streaming. The parks are subsidizing those financial failures, which explains Disney. Star Trek has not done much for Paramount+ as there is no profit there (to date), and of course there's all the talk of Sundance looking into buying Paramount (not sure how that is going now). The idea of tentpoles and franchises has poisoned theatrical releases, especially after the year of the Flopbuster. This content is being produced, largely for an audience the studios are catering to that does not exist (e.g. not the fan base that got them where they are), seemingly because they haven't figured out why this stuff is not selling. From all evidence you can find out of the Hollywood bubble, it seems those running the "show" are actually not that bright. Other peoples' opinions may vary.

That being said, I'm still interested in an EXO-6 TWOK Cpt Spock and TOS Spock, but am okay to wait for next year.

 

[Kebron]

Disney makes 70% of their profits from the parks, 30% of that from the Orlando parks. Look at the numbers and you see Disney is losing hundreds of millions of dollars in theaters and streaming. The parks are subsidizing those financial failures, which explains Disney. Star Trek has not done much for Paramount+ as there is no profit there (to date), and of course there's all the talk of Sundance looking into buying Paramount (not sure how that is going now). The idea of tentpoles and franchises has poisoned theatrical releases, especially after the year of the Flopbuster. This content is being produced, largely for an audience the studios are catering to that does not exist (e.g. not the fan base that got them where they are), seemingly because they haven't figured out why this stuff is not selling. From all evidence you can find out of the Hollywood bubble, it seems those running the "show" are actually not that bright. Other peoples' opinions may vary.

That being said, I'm still interested in an EXO-6 TWOK Cpt Spock and TOS Spock, but am okay to wait for next year.

Paramount accepted the SKYDANCE offer as of a week ago. Trek was one of the major reasons they wanted Paramount.

The Disney parks have ALWAYS done better than the studios. That doesn’t change any of the points I brought up.

I get people like to believe in doom and gloom everything modern sucks. It’s old man syndrome. All of us go through it. But to believe these corporations are just putting out media to lose money is ridiculous.

The audience they target isn’t the fan base it’s the general audience. Whose tastes have changed. The super hero film is now settling into the Western category of popularity. Something new will come along. Probably something none of us older fans are into.

 

[DParga21]

The audience they target isn’t the fan base it’s the general audience. Whose tastes have changed. The super hero film is now settling into the Western category of popularity. Something new will come along. Probably something none of us older fans are into.

Video games, probably.
I've started to realize I'm now the crotchety old Trek fan I was laughing at on AOL message boards three decades ago.
Of course, I also thought "Descent" was the coolest Trek episode I'd ever seen. So, the times, they are a-changing.

 

[Kebron]

Video games, probably.
I've started to realize I'm now the crotchety old Trek fan I was laughing at on AOL message boards three decades ago.
Of course, I also thought "Descent" was the coolest Trek episode I'd ever seen. So, the times, they are a-changing.

I truly believe that’s what we are all experiencing. Content today is just made differently then it was when we were younger.

 

[DilithiumChimp]

I've been thinking a lot about my own crotchety old man tendencies. I think what I'm starting to realize is that yes, the media has changed, but so have I, and when I get negative that way toward modern trek, it's because I'm searching for something that makes me feel the way I felt then.
Something different is going to make me feel different, and that's OK. I almost need to just put modern trek in it's own box and treat it as something new that isn't really related to things like TNG, which isn't that hard except for something like Picard. You can't have the same actor in the same character and have that separation. .. and that's why, try as I might, I can't bring myself to watch season 1 or 2 again.

Season 3 satisfied my yearning, and it was a final bow-tie to that thing that Trek meant to me back then. I've rewatched those last 2 episodes probably 5 or 6 times already.

I may not like much of modern Trek but I don't bemoan that much anymore. Trek has always targeted a demographic that I have aged out of. If it targeted me it would die. Above all else, I want to see the franchise continue on as long as possible, because there are younger people out there for whom modern Trek is what 90s Trek was to me, and I think that's great. They deserve to have that too.

I'm just now reminded of the end of TUC... "...they will continue the voyages we have begun..."

 

[StarDude]

I'm kind of medium in age. I dont think people aged out of modern Trek, mostly. Maybe some have like people who haven't liked anything past TOS... Or people who haven't admitted that Star Trek has AWLAYS been political and "woke"...

But I work in an industry with all ages and especially young. So many 20 year olds love old Trek. Kirk and Picard, though not AS big with the young, are still relatively known.

IMO modern Trek, until SNW to and extent and PIC S3 is literally worse. It's Marelized Star Trek, driven by cheap emotionally fake tricks and cheap Doctor Who style "time whimy" nonsense which doesn't belong in a sci-fi but fantasy.


Like when blue half robot girl died in Disc.
She had like two lines prior so nobody could form a legit connection. It's not like killing Riker or something. Then spamming "I love you" lines between the crew doing more telling and no SHOWING which makes for bad storytelling.
Or having that dumb angel suit that seemed to exist just for show... "This sounds cool so let's do it" without thinking the story through

Much of modern Trek is simplified, emotionally fake, Marel'ized trash.

I say that having generally liked Marvel until Thanos was gone.

It's Baby Yoda fake garbage. Designed by committee attempting to appeal to as much in as cheap a way as possible.

Young people DO like old Trek when they get exposure to it. Old Trek will continue to make money while most of New Trek will vanish.

 

[TheClient]

I'm kind of medium in age. I dont think people aged out of modern Trek, mostly. Maybe some have like people who haven't liked anything past TOS... Or people who haven't admitted that Star Trek has AWLAYS been political and "woke"...

But I work in an industry with all ages and especially young. So many 20 year olds love old Trek. Kirk and Picard, though not AS big with the young, are still relatively known.

IMO modern Trek, until SNW to and extent and PIC S3 is literally worse. It's Marelized Star Trek, driven by cheap emotionally fake tricks and cheap Doctor Who style "time whimy" nonsense which doesn't belong in a sci-fi but fantasy.


Like when blue half robot girl died in Disc.
She had like two lines prior so nobody could form a legit connection. It's not like killing Riker or something. Then spamming "I love you" lines between the crew doing more telling and no SHOWING which makes for bad storytelling.
Or having that dumb angel suit that seemed to exist just for show... "This sounds cool so let's do it" without thinking the story through

Much of modern Trek is simplified, emotionally fake, Marel'ized trash.

I say that having generally liked Marvel until Thanos was gone.

It's Baby Yoda fake garbage. Designed by committee attempting to appeal to as much in as cheap a way as possible.

Young people DO like old Trek when they get exposure to it. Old Trek will continue to make money while most of New Trek will vanish.

I’m forced to agree. A lot complaints about Discovery are so unhinged and in bad faith, but the truth is it’s just….not good. Haters do not need to take cheap shots at Burnham to communicate this. Kurtzman, like everyone else from the JJ Abrams school, has a weak grasp of storytelling fundamentals. Ditto for Akiva Goldsman.

Jeez louise, I still cannot believe they traded Bryan Fuller for Akiva Goldsman. The show never hd a chance.

I’ll say this, though: the episode you mentioned where they did kill Lt.Robot, was by far the best episode of the show. It would have hit a lot harder if they had spent any time with that character beforehand, but I found that single episode to be firing on all cylinders and gave me unrealized hopes for the future seasons of the show. It was a good script.

I would like to see a few more Disco figures, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

 

[DParga21]

I’m forced to agree. A lot complaints about Discovery are so unhinged and in bad faith, but the truth is it’s just….not good. Haters do not need to take cheap shots at Burnham to communicate this. Kurtzman, like everyone else from the JJ Abrams school, has a weak grasp of storytelling fundamentals. Ditto for Akiva Goldsman.

Jeez louise, I still cannot believe they traded Bryan Fuller for Akiva Goldsman. The show never hd a chance.

I’ll say this, though: the episode you mentioned where they did kill Lt.Robot, was by far the best episode of the show. It would have hit a lot harder if they had spent any time with that character beforehand, but I found that single episode to be firing on all cylinders and gave me unrealized hopes for the future seasons of the show. It was a good script.

I would like to see a few more Disco figures, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

I don't think Bryan Fuller wood have been a good choice either. He's the one who decided to make the Klingons different for the sake of being different.
The thing about Fuller is he tends to not work well with others. Take a look at the way he butted heads with Neil Gaiman on American Gods, for instance. He's got a great, creative mind, but maybe not so good for existing IPs.

 

[Mike86]

The way entertainment is now days is just different. Not always a bad thing but everyone has to be catered to and it often feels like shows and movies are written in a way that’s much more safe. Pretty much goes for all the mainstream franchises (Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel, DC).

 

[Kebron]

Like when blue half robot girl died in Disc.
She had like two lines prior so nobody could form a legit connection. It's not like killing Riker or something. Then spamming "I love you" lines between the crew doing more telling and no SHOWING which makes for bad storytelling.
Or having that dumb angel suit that seemed to exist just for show... "This sounds cool so let's do it" without thinking the story through

Much of modern Trek is simplified, emotionally fake, Marel'ized trash.

Actually, they spent a few episodes prior establishing some character for Ariam, I remember the whole thing about her loading her memories, and holding onto that one with her Fiancé/boyfriend in particular.

You brought something to mind though. In TOS you have episodes like Balance of Terror, where you meet a young couple for the first time, and the groom dies. A emotional impact happens, even though we have never seen either of these crew before and have no emotional attachment to them. We see this happen all through Trek. Characters who appear for one episode have something tragic happen which is supposed to trigger a emotional response.

But here in DISCO with Ariam's death many of you are saying it meant nothing, even though they spent more time developing some bit of character for her, then older Trek ever did.

I'm curious on why that is. I could argue that in my example TOS was better acted, Shatner was THE MAN IMO, he brought the weight of being a Captain in that scene. But I'm biased, because I too am one of the grumpy old men, TOS, DS9 are my top two. But I do see where DISCO at least tried to build on what came before, even if most of it was forgettable for me.