EXO-6 Star Trek "General Discussion" 1/6 Line

[superdoug]

From Google:

“What does the word "zorro" mean in English?

the Fox

Zorro (which means 'the Fox' in Spanish) wears a black mask to hide his real identity when fighting evil. He fights with a sword and sometimes makes a sign like the letter 'Z' with it in the air or even on an enemy's shirt. There have been many Zorro films as well as a Walt Disney television series.”

Z

Neat. I sadly did not pick up on the “Z” until your post lol. My wife and I were both shown the old Zoro shows and movies when we were growing up and shared them with our kids. They only recently got old enough for the more recent movies that came out in my childhood/youth with Antonio Banderas.

 

[dondiegomasked]

Neat. I sadly did not pick up on the “Z” until your post lol. My wife and I were both shown the old Zoro shows and movies when we were growing up and shared them with our kids. They only recently got old enough for the more recent movies that came out in my childhood/youth with Antonio Banderas.

Yeah. There have been many iterations of the character, even going back to the silent era and b/w movie serials. But for me, whenever I happen to see “Lost in Space’s” Prof John Robinson I can _only_ see Guy Williams as Zorro.

Funny that.

Z

 

[SwedishHeat]

I've removed the political discussion from this thread. Political discussion outside of the Dark Rooms is not allowed, and violates board rules.

If you want to talk politics, you must post in the Dark Rooms. In fact, we have a thread just to discuss tariffs.

 

[superdoug]

Yeah. There have been many iterations of the character, even going back to the silent era and b/w movie serials. But for me, whenever I happen to see “Lost in Space’s” Prof John Robinson I can _only_ see Guy Williams as Zorro.

Funny that.

Z

I have actually seen some of the silent era Zorro. Guy Williams will always be who I think of when I think of Zorro. His turn as the fox was classic and at least based on my wife and my experiences watching the old re-runs on the Disney Channel growing up and my kids watching them on streaming it’s timeless.

 

[Mondragon]

Looks like I missed some redacted politicly heated discussion and thread derailing, but more importantly I can't believe I missed a Zorro discussion in a Trek thread! ?!

66 Zorro in Space, with the first "light" saber duel. (And a score by John Williams, yeah do the math)

Yeah. There have been many iterations of the character, even going back to the silent era and b/w movie serials. But for me, whenever I happen to see “Lost in Space’s” Prof John Robinson I can _only_ see Guy Williams as Zorro.

Funny that.

Z

I have actually seen some of the silent era Zorro. Guy Williams will always be who I think of when I think of Zorro. His turn as the fox was classic and at least based on my wife and my experiences watching the old re-runs on the Disney Channel growing up and my kids watching them on streaming it’s timeless.

Fairbanks silent Zorro is legend, I saw a silent movie theater production with a live orchestra doing the music (using a classic Spanish score, acoustic guitar, violin, harp, trumpets, etc.) , in a revival theater, the way they would have back in the 20s. Don't think any of the DVDs or uploads on YouTube use the actual score from when it was first released.
Movie still holds up, has all the action (melo-drama) and suprising humor, as any of the modern superhero action films today.
And of course the original prehistoric(non-CG) Superhero movie landings

Though like you both, Disney's Guy (Armando Catalano) Williams will always be who I think of as Zorro.

So, how did Zorro even become part of the discussion?

 

[Mondragon]

And to keep it somewhat on topic:

Jumpt to 9:05- (she even sings in the first ep)

And 4:10 (not surprisingly plays one of the most foreboding antagonist for Zorro)

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

I've removed the political discussion from this thread. Political discussion outside of the Dark Rooms is not allowed, and violates board rules.

If you want to talk politics, you must post in the Dark Rooms. In fact, we have a thread just to discuss tariffs.

LOL - I was wondering what the heck happened here when folks suddenly started talking about "Zorro" - thanks for letting us slow types (that missed the posts in question) know.

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[Lord Exor]

Honest question for the ST and or TOS fans out there:

If all EXO were suddenly $500 or at least the ones you really want and EXO claims be it BS or matter of facts because of Trump and or his BS underground club, will you still pony up to buy your favorite missing figure?

I know the answer for myself but what would you do?

I would. I'm not a completionist, I only purchase the characters I'm most fond of, so it's not as big of an ask for me.

 

[dondiegomasked]

Though like you both, Disney's Guy (Armando Catalano) Williams will always be who I think of as Zorro.

So, how did Zorro even become part of the discussion?

Someone came up with a bizarre conspiracy theory about the “true” meaning of my board handle. I had to explain what it _really_ was meant to honor: Zorro.

It’s DonDiegoMasked, not “Don die, go masked.”

That interpretation did elicit a huge belly laugh out of my huge belly.

Z

 

[Sabin94]

Just purchased my first few EXO-6 figures. Could someone please tell me after EXO-6 gets a pre-order in and ships it to customers, how long does it take for companies like BBTS, Entertainment Earth, Sideshow and any others to ship a pre-order to customers? And are any of them faster than others? i have ordered from both BBTS and EE before, and it always seems like BBTS gets products in a month or two quicker than EE. Not sure why that is. Thanks for any info.

 

[StarDude]

Zorro is a horrible and boring character which will be completely forgotten soon. At least the tariff stuff was on-topic to the figures.

Anyways Sabin...

Just purchased my first few EXO-6 figures. Could someone please tell me after EXO-6 gets a pre-order in and ships it to customers, how long does it take for companies like BBTS, Entertainment Earth, Sideshow and any others to ship a pre-order to customers? And are any of them faster than others? i have ordered from both BBTS and EE before, and it always seems like BBTS gets products in a month or two quicker than EE. Not sure why that is. Thanks for any info.

The fastest is ordering direct from the source. Me in the UK usually means I wait a bit longer..Maybe 2 weeks after release. It's faster for those closer.

I never order non-direct because it's always a lot slower, sometimes by months.

 

[Mondragon]

Zorro is a horrible and boring character which will be completely forgotten soon.

While it's fine you don't see it , Star Trek is not exactly where his influence or legacy is felt, I certainly didn't open up the discussion to him here, yet I will gladly challenge your claim. Don't open spoiler if you want to continue to live in denial, (or can't recognize this is all in fun , warning heavy visual info.)

Spoiler

"Zorro is horrible, boring, ...completely forgotten"?
Tell that to the guys inspired by one of the first blockbuster stars and characters, who pretty much invented the action hero movie genre, then (among other classics the Shadow, Doc. Savage, The Phantom, etc.) influenced the creation of two of the most iconic characters in comics then movies, still borrowing from him and his legacy today.
Superman:

Joe Shuster - "I was a great fan of Douglas Fairbanks, and so was Jerry and I tried to use his stance, the way Douglass Fairbanks looked in the Black Pirate, with his hands on his hips, in Robin Hood and Mark of Zorro, in all those he had those marvelous attitude which Jerry and I agreed...

Jerry Siegel - "When writing the script, I had Douglass Fairbanks very much in mind in the athletic stunts that he did too, so the influence of Douglass Fairbanks was not only in the art but in the visual action."..."Definitely. I loved The Mark of Zorro, and I'm sure that had some influence on me. "

Shuster - "He had stance which I often used in drawing Supermanyoull see in many of his roles, ...that he always stood with his hands on his hips and his feet spread apart, laughingtaking nothing seriously. ..." It was inspired by the costume pictures that Fairbanks did: they greatly influenced us. He did The Mark of Zorro, and Robin Hood, and a marvelous one called The Black Pirate - those are three that I recall that we loved. Fairbanks would swing on ropes very much like Superman flying."

Batman:

Bill Finger - "Batman was a combination of Douglas Fairbanks [who played Zorro] and Sherlock Holmes."

Bob Kane -"Zorros use of a mask to conceal his identity as Don Diego gave me the idea of giving Batman a secret identityBruce Wayne would be a man of means who put on a façade of being effete. Zorro rode a black horse called Tornado and would enter a cave and exit from a grandfather clock in the living room. The bat-cave was inspired by this cave in Zorro. I didn't want Batman to be a Superhero with superpowersSo I made Batman an ordinary human being; he is just an athlete who has the physical prowess of Douglas Fairbanks, Sr., who was my all-time favorite hero in the movies.

Bob Kane - "As a kid, I was a movie buff. One of my favorites was The Mark of Zorro, with Douglas Fairbanks Sr. Zorro had the dual identity. By day, like Bruce Wayne, he feigned being a bored, foppish count, the son of one of the richest families.... By night, he became a vigilante. He would disguise himself, wearing a mask with the eyes slit out. He exited on a black horse from a cave underneath his home, and thats the inspiration for the Batcave and the Batmobile."

Alter Ego (Roy Thomas) - "Bill [Finger] maintained (well into the 1960’s) a file of Douglas Fairbanks Sr. photo stills. He showed me the file and said that he would attach selected photos to finished scripts for Bob [Kane] and his assistants to use as models. I recognized pose after pose. The stills I saw (and had never seen before that date) were the familiar swinging poses that characterized the Acro-Batman…"

Decades later, before Disney acquired the assemblage of masked heroes they put on screen and in their parks , their first inspiration and go-to was Zorro, again still inspiring what you see there today.

Continued into a whole other genre of movie action heroes and influencing the next gen of creators and heroic action films of (Lucas & Spielberg) into the 70s-80s, who's impact in some of the biggest franchises is still felt to this day.

@dondiegomasked

Someone came up with a bizarre conspiracy theory about the “true” meaning of my board handle. I had to explain what it _really_ was meant to honor: Zorro.

It’s DonDiegoMasked, not “Don die, go masked.”

That interpretation did elicit a huge belly laugh out of my huge belly.

Z

Ha, I always thought your handle was clever, plus leaving the "Z" signature.
Though to be fair the interpretation “Don die, go masked.” actually invokes the essence of the character, in the Mark of Zorro original McCauley Pulp: after removing his mask, and only the Don is left, he explains:

"It is a peculiar thing to explain, señores. The moment I donned cloak and mask, the Don Diego part of me fell away. My body straightened, new blood seemed to course through my veins, my voice grew strong and firm, fire came to me! And the moment I removed cloak and mask I was the languid Don Diego again. Is it not a peculiar thing!"

So yes for the Don to die "fall away", he does ...go Masked.

Further in the second McCulley pulp story "Further Adventures" Don Diego now older has given up (retired) his vigilante side, and becomes a near lifeless, empty shell of a man without it.
(Warning 100 yo spoiler!) By dint of his nemesis secretly returning, the Commandante who he permanently scarred across the face in the first, (I'm looking at you Joker), Diego is spurred to life again, donning the Mask and sword, quite literally reborn when he does.
If this sounds peculiarly similar to Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, who ironically enough is "reborn" the night he watches Zorro again, that was more than likely by inspiration and design.

 

[Mondragon]

As far as Trek or Roddenberry don't think he has ever referenced Zorro (as far as I know), though in the episode where they go to the vacation planet, where fantasies become reality, they do introduce Don Juan, infamous libertine rogue (somewhat precursor to Zorro) as one of the fantasies they invoke.

And: "Takei ... arranged to take his first formal fencing lesson at Falcon Studios on Sunset Blvd., Takei's instructor... was Ralph Faulkner, the fight choreographer ... (and fight double) for Basil Rathbone." Who of course famously fought Zorro!

Love that Takei decidedly wanting to go against type wielding a Katana, preferred to invoke the swashbucklers he actually grew up with.
Sulu's repeated devilmaycare blade wielding, were always some of the funnest Trek moments.

 

[JohnnyStarTrek]

Zorro is a horrible and boring character which will be completely forgotten soon.

Respectfully, that's an absolutely ludicrous statement.
Zorro is in that zone that Indiana Jones has recently found himself in- where that type of hero is not where the world is "at" right now, but Johnston McCauley's stories and character are all-time classics!
Besides, the Blitzway Zorro 1/6 is on of the best in my collection

 

[Johnny Utah]

Is there a Zorro section this can be moved to by a mod?

 

[dondiegomasked]

Ha, I always thought your handle was clever, plus leaving the "Z" signature.

Dude, it really irked me to have to defend _and_ explain what it meant to all of these ignorant kids. (I mean that they just don’t know, not that they are stoopid. Let’s stay focused.)

Thanks for filling in so many of the gaps in their knowledge so that I wouldn’t have to.

Though to be fair the interpretation “Don die, go masked.” actually invokes the essence of the character, in the Mark of Zorro original McCauley Pulp: after removing his mask, and only the Don is left, he explains:

So yes for the Don to die "fall away", he does ...go Masked.

Well, think about what prompted that conspiracy theory. The posts were moderator clipped
(thankfully!) because someone assumed that I wasn’t sufficiently loyal to the incoming regime here in Amerika.

Thanks again for providing that excellent refresher on the history and influences of Zorro. I suspect we are going to see a _lot_ of wannabe “Zorros” in our future.

Z

 

[Mondragon]

No doubt.

Trek always cast a pretty wide net,
As well as the Swashbuckling Mirror Universe designs, and Harry Mudd was essentially a space pirate buccaneer...

And Next Generation went all in on the Robinhood theme

Don't know how deep ExO is gong to get into secondary characters and alternative fantasy costumes yet, I'de love to see it.

 

[Pauln6a]

No doubt.
Trek always cast a pretty wide net,
As well as the Swashbuckling Mirror Universe designs:

Don't know how deep ExO is gong to get into secondary characters and alternative costumes yet, I'de love to see it.

Maybe Nacelle will. I mean they are doing Peter Preston...

 

[dondiegomasked]

Is there a Zorro section this can be moved to by a mod?

Don’t you know how to use the board’s search function?

This thread has come back around to be a discussion of influences on Trek and other related subjects.

Zorro is just a reworking of the legend of Robin Hood. The Lone Ranger is another.

A solid argument for the basis of _both_ the characters Kirk and Picard would be that they are similar characters as well. Defend the weak, stand up to autocratic rulers.

Z

 

[QuiGonFishing]