EXO-6 Star Trek "General Discussion" 1/6 Line

[IBM5100]

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[Lee in MI]

Let's look at what you said

For the price point, these sculpts should be a bit better imo. Janeway was soft. Sisco looked off to me. Paris, Kim...who am I missing? I would give them a pass for sure if the price was closer to the $150-$175 mark but the new point of entry is over $200.

You specifically said "For the price point these sculpts..." and proceeded to list examples, you followed with " I would give them a pass for sure if the prices were closer to 150-175..."
From what you wrote it certainly looks like (inference) you are implying that the sculpts you listed were outside of your proposed price mark. It wasn't until you were educated on their pricing that you changed your tune and now suddenly you feel those sculpts are acceptable due to their price point.

...should be a bit better. Not as good as HTs. You are taking my comments out of context and inferring what you think I meant.

You are correct I did mean imply. Thank you for the English lesson, but it doesn't change the point.

Here's another quote of yours.

That's only about $55 dollars from HTs entry price.
This was after you talked about them needing to up their quality. Because you named HT comparing their pricing to Exo6 pricing you are certainly "implying" that for these higher prices Exo6 should be closer to HT quality. If you didn't mean to cause people to make that conclusion, that's fine, but when you name one company as a example especially one at the top of the game after criticizing another company, people will draw the conclusion that you are saying the former company should be at the level as the latter.

Closer is not the same. I just said the sculpts should be better as the prices go up. That's not an unreasonable expectation. If you think the price point and the quality are on par with one another, that's cool. I just don't and that's why I stated I was passing on this one.

I was making a correlation between quality vs cost. Nothing more.

Yes, you were making a correlation between Exo-6 quality and cost vs HT quality and cost. Which is why I and at least one other (probably more) drew the conclusion we did.

I think I understand your (and one other person's) inference and perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been but "the price point" I was referencing was the Wesley price point. Not the price point those figures sold for.

I made a reference to HTs, not a direct comparison. Like I said, I made a correlation between cost and quality.

There's no right or wrong answers here, only individuals opinions. I stated my opinion about EXO6's cost vs quality and you opined about yours.

I'm in for TOS, TNG, VOY and some movie figs so I love their work. EDIT: AND DS9...how could I forget them!

I'm a huge fan of their work, we all are I think.

 

[pixletwin]

Honestly, my biggest collecting regret is not getting into EXO's Trek line from the first floor. Now I feel like it's as high as the Empire State building and the elevators are all broken.

 

[Jgg1701]

Honestly, my biggest collecting regret is not getting into EXO's Trek line from the first floor. Now I feel like it's has high as the Empire State building and the elevators are all broken.

I got into it when Mr. Nanjin was with QMX.
I wish he picked up where he left off with the TOS crew. He only had two to go with the main cast.

-Jim

 

[Kebron]

...should be a bit better. Not as good as HTs. You are taking my comments out of context and inferring what you think I meant.

Closer is not the same. I just said the sculpts should be better as the prices go up. That's not an unreasonable expectation. If you think the price point and the quality are on par with one another, that's cool. I just don't and that's why I stated I was passing on this one.

I think I understand your (and one other person's) inference and perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been but "the price point" I was referencing was the Wesley price point. Not the price point those figures sold for.

I made a reference to HTs, not a direct comparison. Like I said, I made a correlation between cost and quality.

There's no right or wrong answers here, only individuals opinions. I stated my opinion about EXO6's cost vs quality and you opined about yours.

I'm in for TOS, TNG, VOY and some movie figs so I love their work. EDIT: AND DS9...how could I forget them!

I'm a huge fan of their work, we all are I think.

I didn't take anything out of context. I just didn't feel like writing the whole thing out, after I showed the full quote just above what I wrote, that's why the ..., was there.

It's pretty clear what you meant. You mentioned sculpts should be better for the price, you then list sculpts you felt should be better and gave a price point you felt the figures should be in. You didn't say Wesley should be in the same price range of the sculpts you listed since you considered them soft or not that good. You implied that the sculpts you listed were in a higher price range like Wesley. If that wasn't your intent, then why even list those sculpts and a price point?

How do you propose Exo-6 raise their quality for the higher prices, when the higher price is due to inflation? What you are suggesting would make the figures even more expensive.

Why did you list the other sculpts if you were just wanting to concentrate on Wesley? You could of just simply said I don't think Wesley's sculpt is worth the price and left it at that.

I don't see where I gave my opinion; I simply began by pointing out the sculpts you listed were within the price range you gave and pointed out why Exo-6 can't give a lower price. Since then I've been going back and forth with you about what you said.

When you reference HT (or any company) price, it's implying that there is standard there in your mind, and anyone coming close to that price should be close to that standard. You may not have meant it, but that's the impression it gives for some. If you didn't mean to imply that there was a standard or that you were comparing, then why even mention HT at all?

Now here's my opinion....I don't think the Wesley sculpt is that great in the pre order pics either.

What is a fact though Exo6 has proven that they improve their sculpts from pre order to release. Some still aren't perfect, but they are always better than the pre order photos.

 

[Jgg1701]

I didn't take anything out of context. I just didn't feel like writing the whole thing out, after I showed the full quote just above what I wrote, that's why the ..., was there.

It's pretty clear what you meant. You mentioned sculpts should be better for the price, you then list sculpts you felt should be better and gave a price point you felt the figures should be in. You didn't say Wesley should be in the same price range of the sculpts you listed since you considered them soft or not that good. You implied that the sculpts you listed were in a higher price range like Wesley. If that wasn't your intent, then why even list those sculpts and a price point?

How do you propose Exo-6 raise their quality for the higher prices, when the higher price is due to inflation? What you are suggesting would make the figures even more expensive.

Why did you list the other sculpts if you were just wanting to concentrate on Wesley? You could of just simply said I don't think Wesley's sculpt is worth the price and left it at that.

I don't see where I gave my opinion; I simply began by pointing out the sculpts you listed were within the price range you gave and pointed out why Exo-6 can't give a lower price. Since then I've been going back and forth with you about what you said.

When you reference HT (or any company) price, it's implying that there is standard there in your mind, and anyone coming close to that price should be close to that standard. You may not have meant it, but that's the impression it gives for some. If you didn't mean to imply that there was a standard or that you were comparing, then why even mention HT at all?

Now here's my opinion....I don't think the Wesley sculpt is that great in the pre order pics either.

What is a fact though Exo6 has proven that they improve their sculpts from pre order to release. Some still aren't perfect, but they are always better than the pre order photos.

I respect whatever you guys are talking about but did you know that you have the privilege to take whatever you have to say in private conversation?
-Jim

 

[ymba]

Guys,

There is obviously a lot of passion looking at the recent comments with ST and that is a good thing. I think no conversation is a bad one as we all have different perspective of what the figure should be at any price point.

My take is I rather pay $300-$500 if the end product is not “another doll.” To be fair, EXO have knock the ball out the park with some releases while some have been not great as far as head sculpts are concerned. Call a spade as a spade.

I do see other manufacturers ( IE Mars Toys would come to mind) where each releases are very consistent in terms of likeness with the actual characters whereas EXO has some that are very caricature like.

I do know EX0 farm all sculpts to different head sculptures and some are really good and some not great.

 

[Kebron]

Guys,

There is obviously a lot of passion looking at the recent comments with ST and that is a good thing. I think no conversation is a bad one as we all have different perspective of what the figure should be at any price point.

My take is I rather pay $300-$500 if the end product is not “another doll.” To be fair, EXO have knock the ball out the park with some releases while some have been not great as far as head sculpts are concerned. Call a spade as a spade.

I do see other manufacturers ( IE Mars Toys would come to mind) where each releases are very consistent in terms of likeness with the actual characters whereas EXO has some that are very caricature like.

I do know EX0 farm all sculpts to different head sculptures and some are really good and some not great.

Some good points.

Mars is third party they save money by not paying licensing fees and can use that advantage to both pay for better sculptors and lower the cost of the figures. They also don’t have to go through an approval process where the actor or license holder demands certain things be done to the figure. Like what Happened with Archer’s hair.

Is there a non third party company you can name so the comparison can be on a more even level?

I never said nor do I think all of Exo6 releases I do feel they have had more hits than misses though and that their hit vs miss ratio is on level with other companies.

 

[ymba]

Some good points.

Mars is third party they save money by not paying licensing fees and can use that advantage to both pay for better sculptors and lower the cost of the figures. They also don’t have to go through an approval process where the actor or license holder demands certain things be done to the figure. Like what Happened with Archer’s hair.

Is there a non third party company you can name so the comparison can be on a more even level?

I never said nor do I think all of Exo6 releases I do feel they have had more hits than misses though and that their hit vs miss ratio is on level with other companies.

I get the pickle EXO is in ( Licensing rights vs cost to make + the additional fees) compared to a non licensed company. But to be honest, I’m not entirely sure if licensing is why there are misses with EXO.
Now I do not know if the likeness approval by the actual actor is why there are some misses.

With what EXO is currently charging, they certainly have hit home runs even with the added fees compared to Mars. Their TNG line have all been home runs so far and there are licensing fees on everyone of these figures

I am probably not EXO true target market because I have always felt $200-$250 for a figure is a steal because in my world where customs go for $1,500 -$2,500 each, the $200 price point is a steal for a full figure. I just rather pay even $400 to get the right sculptor and or likeness down.

Ironically, When EXO is charging $200 -$250 a figure, EXO has set themselves up for some heartbreaks because they have hit on many even at that price point but yet have missed on some as well, this is where rhe expectation becomes unrealistic

One final point, I have always maintained the AWAY TWOK Jacket if that was a custom piece would go for $500 alone. This is where they have truly shined as an example

 

[Kebron]

I get the pickle EXO is in ( Licensing rights vs cost to make + the additional fees) compared to a non licensed company. But to be honest, I’m not entirely sure if licensing is why there are misses with EXO.
Now I do not know if the likeness approval by the actual actor is why there are some misses.

With what EXO is currently charging, they certainly have hit home runs even with the added fees compared to Mars. Their TNG line have all been home runs so far and there are licensing fees on everyone of these figures

I am probably not EXO true target market because I have always felt $200-$250 for a figure is a steal because in my world where customs go for $1,500 -$2,500 each, the $200 price point is a steal for a full figure. I just rather pay even $400 to get the right sculptor and or likeness down.

Ironically, When EXO is charging $200 -$250 a figure, EXO has set themselves up for some heartbreaks because they have hit on many even at that price point but yet have missed on some as well, this is where rhe expectation becomes unrealistic

One final point, I have always maintained the AWAY TWOK Jacket if that was a custom piece would go for $500 alone. This is where they have truly shined as an example.

On one hand I think the misses come from figures he knows won’t sell well Paris, Kim, and Neelix are never at the top of people’s lists. However figures like Saru and Shran are amazing, and they aren’t on the top of everyone’s list either. Maybe it’s cause they are aliens and he spent more time on them, I don’t know.

I’m of the same mindset. 200-250 has or is becoming the new norm for non HT level figures. Exo6 adjusting for inflation doesn’t bother me. Even figures with no real sculpts like the Hono line is struggling to keep those figures below 200, and those are advertised as entry level figures.

 

[Sarge]

Well, with radio silence from both email addresses at EXO6, I think my days of ordering from them are over. What's my next best option? TIA

 

[ymba]

On one hand I think the misses come from figures he knows won’t sell well Paris, Kim, and Neelix are never at the top of people’s lists. However figures like Saru and Shran are amazing, and they aren’t on the top of everyone’s list either. Maybe it’s cause they are aliens and he spent more time on them, I don’t know.

I’m of the same mindset. 200-250 has or is becoming the new norm for non HT level figures. Exo6 adjusting for inflation doesn’t bother me. Even figures with no real sculpts like the Hono line is struggling to keep those figures below 200, and those are advertised as entry level figures.

I think that is exactly the problem you mentioned above.

You can kind of tell he didn’t put as much effort in some characters. Not sure if I’m saying this correctly but my hunch is he did not enlist the best sculptors on some characters and that partially could be because in the sculptor world, the best artist are in high demand. His TNG line are all winners at least at this point. * Sadly even his TOS line is hit or miss.* It remains to be seen if Disco McCoy will look any better than his prototype

And with him producing 30 figures a year, the best sculptors who worked with him might just not have the time to do them all. As a result, he has to look for the lesser sculptors is my hunch. I really don’t think the licensing fees is why he is not able to produce winners on all characters.

That being said, for $200-$250 a figure I think the target market just need to realize you are not paying $750-$1,000 for a figure and the buyer should either not buy , not fall for the sales hype and understand the reality of what you are getting for $250

 

[Jgg1701]

Well, with radio silence from both email addresses at EXO6, I think my days of ordering from them are over. What's my next best option? TIA

1) Sideshow
2) Entertainmentearth
3) Bigbadtoystore

 

[hlindley7859]

Well, with radio silence from both email addresses at EXO6, I think my days of ordering from them are over. What's my next best option? TIA

I recently had the same problem reaching out via e-mail. However, if you go to the bottom of their webpage they have a "contact us " section and that worked for me.

 

[Raven]

I think that is exactly the problem you mentioned above.

You can kind of tell he didn’t put as much effort in some characters. Not sure if I’m saying this correctly but my hunch is he did not enlist the best sculptors on some characters and that partially could be because in the sculptor world, the best artist are in high demand. His TNG line are all winners at least at this point. * Sadly even his TOS line is hit or miss.* It remains to be seen if Disco McCoy will look any better than his prototype

And with him producing 30 figures a year, the best sculptors who worked with him might just not have the time to do them all. As a result, he has to look for the lesser sculptors is my hunch. I really don’t think the licensing fees is why he is not able to produce winners on all characters.

That being said, for $200-$250 a figure I think the target market just need to realize you are not paying $750-$1,000 for a figure and the buyer should either not buy , not fall for the sales hype and understand the reality of what you are getting for $250

At $750-1K they would simply be out of most people's price range and the line would be for the elite super rich only and merely a "if I won the lottery" situation. I wouldn't personally give it a second thought beyond that. He has to keep them at a price to sustain the line if we wants to get to the end, whether for expansion purposes of his company or just his personal collection. In short, he has motive to keep under a certain pricepoint. While Trek has certainly regained some popularity through the new media, it's still far from the juggernaut it once was. A premium price is a sure way to sink the line but quick.

 

[StarDude]

Factory Entertainment has a freakin' $17,000 Enterprise-D.
I have no idea how that could be profitable. I have no idea how many they sell. Maybe enough literally uber rich people buy them! Maybe they sell like 10!

I'd kill for one. But I wouldn't pay $17,000 for it. I'm in a pretty strong financial stituation which luckily lets me buy a lot of EX0-6, which are feel you generally get what you pay for well enough (save a few of the uggos like Tom Paris lol). I figure if you want $1,000 figures start your own company and throw that money away!

https://factoryent.com/products/star-trek-u-s-s-enterprise-ncc-1701-d

Oh god... I'd love to have that. I wish I had time to make models... and make them that good...

Adam's Savage's Tested goes over a lot of cool Star Trek models in random videos. LOOK AT THESE!!!


Those ships are amazing...

 

[Sarge]

I recently had the same problem reaching out via e-mail. However, if you go to the bottom of their webpage they have a "contact us " section and that worked for me.

Thanks, but I've done it all. Nada. I don't want to miss anything, so I'll just start ordering from other companies since they're "customer service" is non existent.

 

[hlindley7859]

Thanks, but I've done it all. Nada. I don't want to miss anything, so I'll just start ordering from other companies since they're "customer service" is non existent.

Trust me, I know how you feel. I was almost at the same point with their customer service as well. Timewalker Toys has great customer service and carries the figures as well. You will just wait a bit longer than ordering directly from Exo-6.

 

[Sarge]

Trust me, I know how you feel. I was almost at the same point with their customer service as well. Timewalker Toys has great customer service and carries the figures as well. You will just wait a bit longer than ordering directly from Exo-6.

Thank you. I don't mind the wait, it'll just be nice to be able to get someone to talk to if I have issues. I swear, I've never seen or dealt with a company that just flat out ignores their customers

 

[Heavy Metal Spike]

Well, with radio silence from both email addresses at EXO6, I think my days of ordering from them are over. What's my next best option? TIA

BBTS all the way. Best customer service on the planet (well, THIS planet anyways )


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