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[Warthog81]

None of this modern trek works for me. The other day there was a clip of that SNW episode featuring those two from Lower Decks talking to Pike and then at a briefing. I thought I was watching a joke of some kind. The lack of formality and respect for senior officers is unreal. There is no respect or formality. If I look back at TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY,ENT there was a serious approach, Star Fleet looked like a realistic organisation made up of professionals. In the modern shows it just seem to be a load of overly emotional morons.

What would be so hard about making a modern Trek show along the lines of TOS/TNG/VOY. I had hoped SNW would be something like that but sadly not.

These days I confine myself to just TOS and TOS movies. Nothing beats the original crew for me.

 

[MarkKing]

None of this modern trek works for me. The other day there was a clip of that SNW episode featuring those two from Lower Decks talking to Pike and then at a briefing. I thought I was watching a joke of some kind. The lack of formality and respect for senior officers is unreal. There is no respect or formality. If I look back at TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY,ENT there was a serious approach, Star Fleet looked like a realistic organisation made up of professionals. In the modern shows it just seem to be a load of overly emotional morons.

What would be so hard about making a modern Trek show along the lines of TOS/TNG/VOY. I had hoped SNW would be something like that but sadly not.

These days I confine myself to just TOS and TOS movies. Nothing beats the original crew for me.

Recently I noticed I dislike modern movies more and more and I think the surround sounds are too much and too loud for no reason.

I listened to many pree 2010 movies for example, and this phenomenon was not there to this extent.

Because of CGI they are doing too much action, not enough pacing, and story telling.

It adds to why modern Trek is ewwe terrible....

 

[Pauln6a]

None of this modern trek works for me. The other day there was a clip of that SNW episode featuring those two from Lower Decks talking to Pike and then at a briefing. I thought I was watching a joke of some kind. The lack of formality and respect for senior officers is unreal. There is no respect or formality. If I look back at TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY,ENT there was a serious approach, Star Fleet looked like a realistic organisation made up of professionals. In the modern shows it just seem to be a load of overly emotional morons.

What would be so hard about making a modern Trek show along the lines of TOS/TNG/VOY. I had hoped SNW would be something like that but sadly not.

These days I confine myself to just TOS and TOS movies. Nothing beats the original crew for me.

I do agree - my two major beefs are:

1. The drift away from the naval style of commanding a submarine in space to more of a Love Boat vibe. I dislike the way the characters treat their personal lives as their priority while they are on duty, sometimes even on time-sensitive away missions or even in the midst of battle. No, Uhura should not be kissing her superior officer during a split-second critical mission to save the world. No Burnham should not be stopping to discuss their relationship status during a covert infiltration.

2. The inconsistency over technology. Giant turboshafts wasting energy on artificial gravity aside, this is mostly a beef about transporters. The sheer amount of energy required to disassemble and re-assemble a person is HUGE. A self-enclosed portable transporter parked up in sick bay? There is no way such a device would have the juice to function independently without massive amounts of battery power. Every time you switch that bad boy on and off, you are going to be flashing lights in the engineering section. Meanwhile Discovery thinks that site to site transporting inside a ship is standard practice in 2258. Somebody tell Scotty.

In fairness, the parameters of transporting were always kept too vague. Blakes 7 had the right idea - no transporting without a bracelet to act as a ground-based relay. None of this - target human life signs on that alien ship as a get out of jail card. Avoid transporter warfare or the Romulans could just sneak up to within transporter range and beam your bridge crew into space while still cloaked. In Picard they had to manually install transport inhibitors on the bridge - why the hell aren't they installed as standard? Arrgh.

 

[davejames]

Yeah the Berman era often had far too much silly technobabble in their episodes, but there was still a weird internal logic and consistency that they were able to maintain across the various series, which kept the world feeling real and believable.

Plus every room felt like something that could believably fit within a starship or space station. God how I miss that basic thing now.

 

[Lord Exor]

Sounds nitpicky to me. But if characters being emotionless and "professional" to the detriment of any real drama or character work is your bag, I'm sorry you're not getting what you want.

And there were plenty of inconsistencies with the fictional tech long before Discovery first aired. Is that really making or breaking anything for you?

 

[afrog]

Sounds nitpicky to me. But if characters being emotionless and "professional" to the detriment of any real drama or character work is your bag, I'm sorry you're not getting what you want.

And there were plenty of inconsistencies with the fictional tech long before Discovery first aired. Is that really making or breaking anything for you?

I don't believe that that is what was stated or implied.

 

[afrog]

I do agree - my two major beefs are:

1. The drift away from the naval style of commanding a submarine in space to more of a Love Boat vibe.

Great point! Part of my admiration of Enterprise.

 

[Pauln6a]

Sounds nitpicky to me. But if characters being emotionless and "professional" to the detriment of any real drama or character work is your bag, I'm sorry you're not getting what you want.

And there were plenty of inconsistencies with the fictional tech long before Discovery first aired. Is that really making or breaking anything for you?

It's true that earlier iterations featured inconsistent tech. The worst one for me is the Enterprise Incident, which forgets that you can't transport through shields (so the Romulan ship must be sitting there, in weapons range, with its shields down) and that sensors can detect both a transporter beam and an alien intruder.

There was a fair amount of emotional exchange in the heat of the moment but it was focused on the mission, not personal indulgences. Kirk gave Chekov and Landon a dressing down for canoodling on a simple survey mission, yet Burnham gets distracted during time-critical life-and-death missions. It's far more frustrating.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy all Trek and it's all imperfect, but I feel that some could dial down the imperfections with some simple guidelines. I love Strange New Worlds but the life cycle of the Gorn makes absolutely no biological or sociological sense. I'm not sure the specifics but the teaser with the crew converting species from an injection is rather offensive to canon, unless it's based on Antosian DNA, which has catastrophic side effects on your sanity.

Trek tech peaked in TMP. The right balance of high tech and functional. The right vibe for a submarine in space but with some crew comforts. Thought given to every part of the ship and how it might interact. Perfection! Although some of the window placements look a bit odd...

 

[StarDude]

NuTrek is Star Trek plus Marvel. With some incredibly poor writing sometimes.

Lower Decks is good but clearly NOT in the same multi-verse and a completely different show that actually respects the original stuff in a cartoony way (I hate how the multi-verse crazy tries to make everything in the same multi-verse, it's dumb as heck). Same with Strange New Worlds... Good but it just can't possibly actually be the same universe..they pretend it is but the freaking ships are different. It's more like a reboot that's inspired by the old stuff.


Thing is, I wouldn't mind a proper REBOOT (not alternative timelines, none of that bullcrap, just start over maybe using some of the same characters). Some stuff in Star Trek is outdated. Some stuff is flat out terrible.
Star Trek is increasingly irrelevant to our lives from a sci-fi perspective where science is just going in directions they didn't expect. Why away teams beam down with just a tricorder and phaser with their spandex uniforms? Why is everything still barely automated? Where's the drones and AI which will 100% play a bigger roles in our lives than in Star Trek where it's just like 90s life with spaceships?
The hand wave away of genetic alterations in the entire Federation is kind of ridiculous too. Another HUGE part of the likely future of humanity is genetic alterations and I'm not convinced a Khan scenario on on single Federation planet would get it banned everywhere.

Our future is a lot harder to write out. That much is clear. It's not just flying cars and World War II style dogfights or spandex uniforms that do nothing.

The science is Star Trek is outdated. Other series address it better at this point. Whether it's something like The Expanse, or a video game like Mass Effect...

The social issues Star Trek is great at are a bit outdated. But sometimes still right on the money (DS9!). This is the easy bit.



Most of Modern Trek is also just a weird Marvel or Star Wars or whatever mix of things without nearly as much thought.
I think modern budgets and episode counts hurt it. Some of the best Trek episodes were budget ones where it's like "we need to just use one room this whole episode because we don't have money for anything else" which often really made the writers challenge themselves and make amazing stuff (Measure of a Man, etc).



It won't happen though. Even the best nUTrek has annoying stuff. Picard Season 3 was great (1-2 trash) but the Millennium Falcon scenes... oh god...