Fantastic Four reboot

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Seriously though, don't go out of your way Even as a 14 year old or whatever I realized the movie was not very good. It did help to usher in the era of the Michael Bay type summer movies, though.

Fair enough. Truth be told, I'm not that motivated to watch it anytime soon really anyway.

Really I think it would have been a much smarter move to set the FF movie in the 60's/70's.

I would've loved that too. FF are faves of mine, & it seems they're always going to get the short end of the stick, which is unbelievable. Such fertile ground with these characters & their related history.. just no excuse to give them such token attention.

 

[meanstreak]

This movie doesn't really look like it will cater to kids (opposed to the first two F4 films which were pretty much made solely for kids) so I don't know how financially successful it will be. We already know the movie probably won't have any toys, etc. for cross promotion cause Marvel has pretty much banned F4 merchandise

 

[Jack D]

I would've loved that too. FF are faves of mine, & it seems they're always going to get the short end of the stick, which is unbelievable. Such fertile ground with these characters & their related history.. just no excuse to give them such token attention.

Exactly. The wild, fantastical stuff that COULD be done in a FF movie would be awesome and certainly could be a GOTG-type success, yet, for some reason, there are people out there that want to make or watch these "grounded", dramatic, introspective, movies about ****ing comic book characters.

 

[karamazov80]

Well I think there's a time and a place for that kind of thing. Batman is a character defined by horrific tragedy, the X-Men were freaks feared and hated by mankind, the Suicide Squad are a group of unrepentant criminals, Swamp Thing and Sandman are, at their heart, dark, introspective, and mature stories. But Fantastic Four and Superman? Among the very last franchises you should be applying that lens to.

 

[pturtle]

It worked for Batman and it worked for X-Men. I don't see why it can't work for the Ultimate Fantastic Four.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Exactly. The wild, fantastical stuff that COULD be done in a FF movie would be awesome and certainly could be a GOTG-type success, yet, for some reason, there are people out there that want to make or watch these "grounded", dramatic, introspective, movies about ****ing comic book characters.

As much as I liked Batman Begins, you can blame it for this. It succeeded because it did something that was a breath of fresh air (i.e. taking a comic book character and then adapting them in a very serious, grounded manner that made them seem more realistic and plausible than they had previously), so naturally it became the blueprint for every lazy studio executive to point to when demanding other material less suited to that style of adaptation be turned into a film.

I think Guardians neatly demonstrated that people are sick of overly-serious, relentlessly grim films based on colourful, lighthearted comic characters aimed at children and are willing to embrace something different. It's also why I suspect Batman Vs Superman might underperform.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I can appreciate a lot of the perspectives here over the last page or so, but at the same time, I think Fox has already gone the light-hearted route with the first 2 movies. It kind of worked, but not really. Why would they reuse the same formula?

 

[Jack D]

Well I think there's a time and a place for that kind of thing. Batman is a character defined by horrific tragedy, the X-Men were freaks feared and hated by mankind, the Suicide Squad are a group of unrepentant criminals, Swamp Thing and Sandman are, at their heart, dark, introspective, and mature stories. But Fantastic Four and Superman? Among the very last franchises you should be applying that lens to.

I definitely get that, but let's take the X-Men for example there. Yes, they were/are freaks feared and hated by mankind, and considering the length of the run of the comic book titles, by all means, explore that. When it comes to an hour and a half to two hour movie, I don't want to see the poor mutants dealing with prejudice and social commentary based issues, I want to see some fantastical battles with loads of cool looking superheroes.

I think the opening future scene of DOTFP showed a great demonstration of the X-team using their powers in a coordinated attack, which was awesome. Aside from that, I really don't care for the drama-heavy route the last two X-films took.

 

[pturtle]

Well I think there's a time and a place for that kind of thing. Batman is a character defined by horrific tragedy, the X-Men were freaks feared and hated by mankind, the Suicide Squad are a group of unrepentant criminals, Swamp Thing and Sandman are, at their heart, dark, introspective, and mature stories. But Fantastic Four and Superman? Among the very last franchises you should be applying that lens to.

The tone for MOS was fine, it was the script and Snyder/Nolan that were the problem.

 

[pturtle]

As much as I liked Batman Begins, you can blame it for this. It succeeded because it did something that was a breath of fresh air (i.e. taking a comic book character and then adapting them in a very serious, grounded manner that made them seem more realistic and plausible than they had previously), so naturally it became the blueprint for every lazy studio executive to point to when demanding other material less suited to that style of adaptation be turned into a film.

I think Guardians neatly demonstrated that people are sick of overly-serious, relentlessly grim films based on colourful, lighthearted comic characters aimed at children and are willing to embrace something different. It's also why I suspect Batman Vs Superman might underperform.

Only two superhero franchises really tried to go down the Nolan route after the Dark Knight phenomenon, almost everything else has been lighthearted stuff, even Green Lantern was lighthearted and that bombed miserably. Tone has nothing to with the success of these films, if the movie is good it will do well, if it sucks it's most likely going to flop.

 

[Jack D]

As much as I liked Batman Begins, you can blame it for this. It succeeded because it did something that was a breath of fresh air (i.e. taking a comic book character and then adapting them in a very serious, grounded manner that made them seem more realistic and plausible than they had previously), so naturally it became the blueprint for every lazy studio executive to point to when demanding other material less suited to that style of adaptation be turned into a film.

I think Guardians neatly demonstrated that people are sick of overly-serious, relentlessly grim films based on colourful, lighthearted comic characters aimed at children and are willing to embrace something different. It's also why I suspect Batman Vs Superman might underperform.

I agree. I guess I feel that some of these films take themselves way too seriously considering the source material. Like someone mentioned, let's see the whole realism schtick hold up in the face of Mr. Fantastic stretching out.

I can appreciate a lot of the perspectives here over the last page or so, but at the same time, I think Fox has already gone the light-hearted route with the first 2 movies. It kind of worked, but not really. Why would they reuse the same formula?

I get that too. With that said, I think that comes down to who is making the movie. Look at Guardians, the most recent example of a fun superhero flick, and you can see that a mix of action, humor, sfx, colorful characters, etc. can certainly be done well and make an ENTERTAINING movie. That's what it comes down to for me: entertainment. Not social commentary. Not drama, not award-winning acting. I can look to more serious and appropriate genres for that than comic book movies.

 

[karamazov80]

The tone for MOS was fine, it was the script and Snyder/Nolan that were the problem.

Nah, tone was the biggest offender, though the script didn't do it any favors.

 

[pturtle]

Nah, tone was the biggest offender, though the script didn't do it any favors.

I haven't read much superman comics but isn't he darker these days in the comics and cartoons? With the whole DC reboot thing I thought they tried to make him a more flawed character, I could be wrong though.

 

[bransen2099]

It worked for Batman and it worked for X-Men. I don't see why it can't work for the Ultimate Fantastic Four.

I have a question, how much Ultimate Fantastic Four have you read?

 

[pturtle]

I just started reading them two days ago and I'm 10 issues in.

 

[GasparZizou]

The tone for MOS was fine, it was the script and Goyer/Nolan that were the problem.

Fixed for accuracy.
People give way too much crap to Snyder, direction wasn't a problem in MoS.

Nah, tone was the biggest offender.

Nope.

 

[bransen2099]

I just started reading them two days ago and I'm 10 issues in.

I have all of them, after Bendis and Millar leaves it gets horrible. Loved the Ultimate Line but only Spider-man keeps interest.

 

[pturtle]

I forgot Goyer wrote the script, I still have big issues with Snyder's direction though especially him continuing the trend of action > everything else.

The acting was terrible from everyone except Cavill and Shannon.

I have all of them, after Bendis and Millar leaves it gets horrible. Loved the Ultimate Line but only Spider-man keeps interest.

Ah that sucks to hear, I'm really enjoying it right now.

 

[bransen2099]

I forgot Goyer wrote the script, I still have big issues with Snyder's direction though especially him continuing the trend of action > everything else.

The acting was terrible from everyone except Cavill and Shannon.




Ah that sucks to hear, I'm really enjoying it right now.

It's good it just took itself to seriously and grim after they left. Bendis gave them personalities, Millar made them Bad@$$

 

[GasparZizou]

I forgot Goyer wrote the script, I still have big issues with Snyder's direction though especially him continuing the trend of action > everything else.

The acting was terrible from everyone except Cavill and Shannon.

I thought everybody's acting was on point, there's really no bad acting imo, perhaps maybe Amy Adams has some weak moments.