Fantastic Four reboot

[GasparZizou]

Preemptive excuse campaign if it does badly is underway as well, I see.

But, does it not make sense? The fact that it succeeds or fails in the BO is not always subject to if a movie is bad or not, but is instead subject to it's marketing campaign, see Transformers 4 as example, everybody knew it would be abysmal, yet it did great in the BO.

Now this movie, everybody wants this to be bad, yet the talent involved kinda augurs that it could be good, but no one cares about that when the marketing has been incompetent and on top of that, it has been flooded with huge loads of hate from all fronts, from the fans to Marvel Comics themselves...

I'm literally saying this movie will fail and you're still unhappy about it?

 

[cilantropants]

You blamed "haters" to a much greater degree, not marketing.

I don't want it to fail, it means nothing to me either way. I just expect it to fail.

 

[GasparZizou]

Actually, if you read very carefully, I'm blaming both to what degree I don't care.

 

[karamazov80]

As bad as some films are, the studios and the people involve in those projects still try to make a good film. . . the studios keep giving the audience what they want, which is why those sequels make money apparently.

Maybe I'm a cynic, but. . .I think these are logically inconsistent in many cases. Do you think anyone making Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2 really thinks they're making a good movie? Movie studios know good and well how to make critically successful movies, but often will willfully avoid doing that because it's not what their target demographic wants. I was watching a documentary about Show Runners the other day, and they were talking about how many of the more talented writers are being drawn to TV because they don't have as many artistic restrictions as they do in film.

That won't be a bad thing if they play it well. Kind of like when he stayed behind in the Secret Wars because he thought something about the planet allowed him to change at will and he eventually had to find out it was all just in his head. Would definitely not mind seeing the change become willful, but fail at the wrong times like it did in that storyline.

As with other decisions with this film, it can work from a dramatic standpoint, but the angst and self-pity that the Thing experienced due to his look was one of his key defining traits over the course of the comics. His relationships were strongly influenced by this, it was the source of much of his humor, etc. They tried to take that away in the comics a few times, but always came back to doing Thing as a character who couldn't change, because it was best for the story, and best for the character.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Maybe I'm a cynic, but. . .I think these are logically inconsistent in many cases. Do you think anyone making Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2 really thinks they're making a good movie? Movie studios know good and well how to make critically successful movies, but often will willfully avoid doing that because it's not what their target demographic wants. I was watching a documentary about Show Runners the other day, and they were talking about how many of the more talented writers are being drawn to TV because they don't have as many artistic restrictions as they do in film.

Well, not every film can be or should be an Oscar contender for best picture, and the studio, the filmmakers, and the actors know that, so they aren't trying to make "The Godfather" every time, therefore you have to judge every film accordingly. Yes, all films have a target audience, and if one of those films is financially successful, they will make as many sequels as they can because it's a business, but they do so knowing that there's an audience that likes it and is willing to pay to see more of it, so they still try their best to make a product that will satisfy that audience.

My point is that no studio wants to purposefully make a terrible film, and they will try to make it as good as it can be within reason. Avengers is not going to be an Oscar worthy picture, and they all know that, but the people involve will still do their best to make it as good as it can be. Is Avengers 2 going to be a serious Oscar worthy drama? No, but as long as it's fun and entertaining within reason and delivers what is expected of a film like that, it's ok. Who knows? Maybe I need to be more cynical

 

[Niltusk]

As with other decisions with this film, it can work from a dramatic standpoint, but the angst and self-pity that the Thing experienced due to his look was one of his key defining traits over the course of the comics. His relationships were strongly influenced by this, it was the source of much of his humor, etc. They tried to take that away in the comics a few times, but always came back to doing Thing as a character who couldn't change, because it was best for the story, and best for the character.

I'm not saying their spin will be great on it, but Byrne's certainly was and he played the standard "poor me" Ben for long enough. I loved his weird twilight zoney adventures post Secret Wars and having his powers fail at key times and him revert back to human form was great.

 

[moose]

I'm not saying their spin will be great on it, but Byrne's certainly was and he played the standard "poor me" Ben for long enough. I loved his weird twilight zoney adventures post Secret Wars and having his powers fail at key times and him revert back to human form was great.

Man everything will be fine I can't wait to hear the classic line " it's clobberin time"

 

[Anzik]

He was good in Sky High.

 

[GasparZizou]

Is that Badrock?

 

[Janssen]

 

[GasparZizou]

Hey, it looks good, the Thing looks pretty menacing, Doom still looks weird, have to get a good look at him.

 

[RIDDICK]

Well, that trailer was very generic and blegh.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

Yeah, the marketing for this has been stupidly bad.

But about the hate train, the fans ranting was so strong that I believe it's going to influence the casual audience.

The marketing department are probably surprised it actually got made.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

DOOM...is what this film/franchise looks like to me

 

[GeneralZodLives]

 

[pturtle]

Actually looked more like a superhero film than I expected. Thing and Torch look great.

I enjoyed the first trailer a lot more though.

 

[RIDDICK]

Looks like the same "got superpowers alongside F4" concept.
At least in Tim Story's films he looked like Doom...

 

[pturtle]

Torch looks amazing, the lit up eyes look great.

 

[EVILFACE]

Other than Doom looking like tinfoil, I think it looks good.

 

[Entropy]

This looks even more generic than I feared.

And Dr. Dumb, Ragman, Tinfoil Hobo Doom is just as craptacular as that first leaked image suggested.