Fantastic Four reboot

[cilantropants]

My expectations aren't dependent on whether they've been faithful to 616, or really any version, since it's been clear from the start that none of them gives a wet fart about the comics. I'm not even a fan of the team. But what seems to have happened is that every fundamental thing that has made the Fantastic Four work all these decades, has been intentionally ignored or drastically altered. It certainly doesn't help that Trank acts like a spoiled child who appears to hate the people who voice an opinion of the movie that doesn't agree with whatever personal vision he has for it as Chronicle 2.

That's what drives my low, low, low expectations for this movie. It is Fantastic Four in name only.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Their job is to make a movie that sells tickets! Which sometimes means making a movie crappier than creators would otherwise prefer (pretty sure they are working on their 4th or 5th Chipmunks movie).

As bad as some films are, the studios and the people involve in those projects still try to make a good film. People forget that it's almost impossible to make a good film If it was easy, everyone would do it and no studio would ever make a bad film As far as the crappy sequels, the studios keep giving the audience what they want, which is why those sequels make money apparently.

 

[pturtle]

Honestly, I get the feeling Trank just hates fanboys. Another thing is, he obviously wants to keep a lot of the plot hidden so that the media won't spoil everything before the movie releases. It seems these days that fanboys demand to know everything about a movie before it releases or it automatically sucks.

My expectations aren't dependent on whether they've been faithful to 616, or really any version, since it's been clear from the start that none of them gives a wet fart about the comics. I'm not even a fan of the team. But what seems to have happened is that every fundamental thing that has made the Fantastic Four work all these decades, has been intentionally ignored or drastically altered. It certainly doesn't help that Trank acts like a spoiled child who appears to hate the people who voice an opinion of the movie that doesn't agree with whatever personal vision he has for it as Chronicle 2.

That's what drives my low, low, low expectations for this movie. It is Fantastic Four in name only.

What fundamentals are being ignored or "drastically" altered? Only thing I can think of is Doom.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

What fundamentals are being ignored or "drastically" altered? Only thing I can think of is Doom.

Johnny Storm?

 

[cilantropants]

Honestly, I get the feeling Trank just hates fanboys. Another thing is, he obviously wants to keep a lot of the plot hidden so that the media won't spoil everything before the movie releases. It seems these days that fanboys demand to know everything about a movie before it releases or it automatically sucks.



What fundamentals are being ignored or "drastically" altered? Only thing I can think of is Doom.

The inherent sense of fun is a major factor in the F4 success. You need that to make a rubber man acceptable. The overly serious nature of this production will make Reed very hard to appreciate. He is serious anyway, which is countered by the silliness of their zany reality and the affable characters of Johnny, Ben and Sue. A pack of brooding teenagers grounded in gritty reality is not likely to make for memorable characters in a movie about them.

That Ben will be able to change at will is pretty drastic. It scoops out the core of what makes the character so identifiable to people.

Really, bottom line is that without a spirit of fun and adventure, this will just be a depressing story about some weird people.

And, yeah, Doom as a vengeful computer hacker is just so bad.

 

[pturtle]

Johnny Storm?

They hired a young, good looking, charismatic and based on some of his interviews, fairly cocky actor that, in my opinion embodies Johnny Storm. Johnny Storm being Caucasian is important to his character in what way? Getting an actor that can convey all of his character traits is what's important.

I know fanboys hate the "they'll watch it anyway" comment Michael B Jordan made, but that is absolutely something I can see Johnny Storm saying, and reacting to if he was in a similar situation.

The inherent sense of fun is a major factor in the F4 success. You need that to make a rubber man acceptable. The overly serious nature of this production will make Reed very hard to appreciate. He is serious anyway, which is countered by the silliness of their zany reality and the affable characters of Johnny, Ben and Sue. A pack of brooding teenagers grounded in gritty reality is not likely to make for memorable characters in a movie about them.

That Ben will be able to change at will is pretty drastic. It scoops out the core of what makes the character so identifiable to people.

Really, bottom line is that without a spirit of fun and adventure, this will just be a depressing story about some weird people.

And, yeah, Doom as a vengeful computer hacker is just so bad.

So your main issue is with the tone. For me, the most important things about the team are their relationship and exploration, two things this movie seems to focus on. F4 haven't been relevant for quite sometime, so I don't have an issue with modernizing them.

I think there's more to Doom then what they're leading on, even in the trailer an Easter egg leading to a Latveria wiki page shows up. He'll still probably be the leader his own country. Also doesn't hurt that they have a great actor playing Doom also.

 

[cilantropants]

So your main issue is with the tone. For me, the most important things about the team are their relationship and exploration, two things this movie seems to focus on. F4 haven't been relevant for quite sometime, so I don't have an issue with modernizing them.

I think there's more to Doom then what they're leading on, even in the trailer an Easter egg leading to a Latveria wiki page shows up. He'll still probably be the leader his own country. Also doesn't hurt that they have a great actor playing Doom also.

Just going to gloss over the fundamental and drastic change to Grimm, arguably the most beloved member of the team who can thrive as a character without the other 3? Take away the circumstance of his being and he's just a kid who turns into a pile of rocks.

It's not really about tone, it's about understanding. I don't think Trank has a whit of comprehension of why people, comic readers and moviegoers alike, wanted to see these characters on screen before even when the movies weren't very good, or why they want to see them again. He is not just interpreting something, he is recreating it from the ground up in a manner that is not only spiteful, but disrespectful. And not to the fanboys you and he are both so triggered to anger by. He doesn't seem to care about the characters themselves. He's just piggybacking on the superhero movie craze to satisfy his own ends.

And I don't equate making a serious movie with a not-so-serious property to "modernizing" them.
I can understand after the previous 2 movies that translating that spirit to the screen is hard. But going for an easier route of dark and depressing isn't the way to go either.

 

[pturtle]

Just going to gloss over the fundamental and drastic change to Grimm, arguably the most beloved member of the team who can thrive as a character without the other 3? Take away the circumstance of his being and he's just a kid who turns into a pile of rocks.

It's not really about tone, it's about understanding. I don't think Trank has a whit of comprehension of why people, comic readers and moviegoers alike, wanted to see these characters on screen before even when the movies weren't very good, or why they want to see them again. He is not just interpreting something, he is recreating it from the ground up in a manner that is not only spiteful, but disrespectful. And not to the fanboys you and he are both so triggered to anger by. He doesn't seem to care about the characters themselves. He's just piggybacking on the superhero movie craze to satisfy his own ends.

And I don't equate making a serious movie with a not-so-serious property to "modernizing" them.
I can understand after the previous 2 movies that translating that spirit to the screen is hard. But going for an easier route of dark and depressing isn't the way to go either.

I glossed over it because I expect by the end of the film, he won't be able to switch back and fourth.This movie isn't a F4 film yet, it's a complete origin story, I don't even expect them to be heroes until the end of the film.

He seems to understand these characters quite fine in my opinion. Is he drastically changing any of their roles on the team? Their relationships or powers? Sue and Johnny are still brother and sister, Ben and Reed are childhood friends, they all have their designated powers which they contract from the N-Zone. Doom seems to be the only real deviation from the source material, and I suspect like most movies, that decision was made to service the story, the story Trank wanted to tell. It's really no different than anything Marvel is doing right now. Hank Pym isn't 90 years old, Bucky wasn't Steve Rogers' protector and best friend pre-serum, Ultron wasn't created by Stark, "The Mandarin" etc.....

 

[nexus]

After the Avengers hype dies down a bit around the third week in May or so, I think we will see FF marketing kick into full gear, including costume reveals if they actually have them. There will also be more and more sneaks from X-Men but that's a year off. Even though Marvel has Ant-Men coming out in a few months, I don't think people will be half as stoked about that comic book movie as they will be about FF.

Once the movie comes out core comic fans are either going to be crowing "I told you so", or they'll be eating crow.

I'd like to see Fantastic Four in the Marvel Cinematic Universe as much as anyone, but since that probably won't happen for quite some time, if ever, may as well have a good movie. Same with X-Men. At some point you just have to accept the realities of business and just be happy these movies are getting made at all.

 

[YoNoSe]

At some point you just have to accept the realities of business and just be happy these movies are getting made at all.

Really? Even if they stink? I mean, I like some GARBAGE but that's a weird attitude to promote, IMO. No offense.

I do agree with the first part.

 

[moose]

After the Avengers hype dies down a bit around the third week in May or so, I think we will see FF marketing kick into full gear, including costume reveals if they actually have them. There will also be more and more sneaks from X-Men but that's a year off. Even though Marvel has Ant-Men coming out in a few months, I don't think people will be half as stoked about that comic book movie as they will be about FF.

Once the movie comes out core comic fans are either going to be crowing "I told you so", or they'll be eating crow.

I'd like to see Fantastic Four in the Marvel Cinematic Universe as much as anyone, but since that probably won't happen for quite some time, if ever, may as well have a good movie. Same with X-Men. At some point you just have to accept the realities of business and just be happy these movies are getting made at all.

I hear this a lot about wanting this property and others such as spiderman and X men to exist in the greater Marvel universe , but I really don't see a need they rarely spend time together in the comics so why should they exist together in the movies.

I feel it's crowding the movie when you cram them in. I think the fox producer said it best that if the x-men and F4 exist in the same universe people would not be able to distinguish them from mutants and so on.

Each of these properties has its own world and own supporting characters it just so happens that the avengers click together as they do in the comics I can't see that being the case in you include the x-men or spiderman all in the same movie.

This will lead to unnecessary reboots similar to what they are contemplating with spiderman and here we have another actor sought for the role and a whole new direction. Just clean up the story improve upon the weak point and move forward no need to throw everything out.

On another note I am super excited for this movie as I am really liking the tone of this movie as much as I enjoy the avengers I don't want every comic movie to be cast in the same family friendly tone. Change it up

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

The inherent sense of fun is a major factor in the F4 success. You need that to make a rubber man acceptable. The overly serious nature of this production will make Reed very hard to appreciate. He is serious anyway, which is countered by the silliness of their zany reality and the affable characters of Johnny, Ben and Sue. A pack of brooding teenagers grounded in gritty reality is not likely to make for memorable characters in a movie about them.

That Ben will be able to change at will is pretty drastic. It scoops out the core of what makes the character so identifiable to people.

Really, bottom line is that without a spirit of fun and adventure, this will just be a depressing story about some weird people.

And, yeah, Doom as a vengeful computer hacker is just so bad.

Well said - &..

Ben will be able to change at will?

 

[Niltusk]

Well said - &..

Ben will be able to change at will?

That won't be a bad thing if they play it well. Kind of like when he stayed behind in the Secret Wars because he thought something about the planet allowed him to change at will and he eventually had to find out it was all just in his head. Would definitely not mind seeing the change become willful, but fail at the wrong times like it did in that storyline.

 

[GasparZizou]

I just realized this movie is going to bomb because people want it to bomb, it's too big of a hate snowball to succeed.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I just realized this movie is going to bomb because people want it to bomb, it's too big of a hate snowball to succeed.

Nah, it's a small group of people who are "hating" on it. The average person and the majority of the movie going audience doesn't even know there's a new F4 film coming out this year...wait...that's not good either

 

[GasparZizou]

Nah, it's a small group of people who are "hating" on it. The average person and the majority of the movie going audience doesn't even know there's a new F4 film coming out this year...wait...that's not good either

Yeah, the marketing for this has been stupidly bad.

But about the hate train, the fans ranting was so strong that I believe it's going to influence the casual audience.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Nah, it's a small group of people who are "hating" on it. The average person and the majority of the movie going audience doesn't even know there's a new F4 film coming out this year...wait...that's not good either

There's Facebook groups out there

 

[Bjjer]

It'll do fine with the general public. I'll wait until it hits Redbox before I see it, I just can't get behind the cast. Not a big deal for me as the FF was never as big with me as Spiderman/Avengers and the mutants. I'm just glad Marvel hung on to the Avengers characters because I'd rather see an epic Avengers movie than a FF one.

 

[nexus]

Really? Even if they stink? I mean, I like some GARBAGE but that's a weird attitude to promote, IMO. No offense.

I do agree with the first part.

None taken. I guess the way I look at it is 15 years ago none of these movies were likely. Since then there have been two FF movies on the screen. I was excited to see them, and pretty disappointed with the results (just like with Green Lantern). While those movies were closer to canon, the direction and script were weak, the casting was poor (even Johnny was too old IMO), and the effects were barely above TV quality of the time. There was no reason they could not have done at least a serviceable CGI Thing as the tech was there at the time, but I think FOX cheaped out on the budget.
Sure I still think an amazing blockbuster-quality FF could be done using canon storytelling and cast if they were to hire someone like Jon Favreau to direct, but I can see FOX saying we've already tried that route and it didn't work. So they went a different direction. Maybe this movie will be good, maybe not. I'm still not presold. I'll watch more trailers and wait for the reviews. If it underperforms Fox might call it three strikes and out and sell the rights back. As it was they waited until the last minute before rushing this one into production. But even if the rights are sold back, there probably wouldn't be a standalone Marvel FF movie until phase four, but the team could show up in time for Infinity Wars. I think the chances are low, but will just have to see.

On the other hand doesn't look like the X-Men will be back at Marvel for the forseeable future, unless FOX tires of the franchise and decides to make Disney pay through the nose. That said, AoA is supposed to be the conclusion of the trilogy and Jackman says he's done with Wolverine after the next one (which means recasting a new actor to take on that franchise). And I don't think anyone but Gale Anne Hurd is clamoring for a Channing Tatum Gambit franchise. So who knows, maybe Disney will offer a billion, and Fox will jump at it.

 

[cilantropants]

Yeah, the marketing for this has been stupidly bad.

But about the hate train, the fans ranting was so strong that I believe it's going to influence the casual audience.

Preemptive excuse campaign if it does badly is underway as well, I see.