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Wholeheartedly agree.
My big problem with it is the legions of fans that it created. Everywhere you go, you'll come across 12 year olds who act like they're the smartest c@nts to ever live. It was ridden with plot holes and quite idiotic plot points. I mean, "love is quantified"? What the f--?
GasparZizou
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I really don't think it tried to be this generation's 2001, at all.
What scientific inaccuracies and plotholes do you mean?
What scientific inaccuracies and plotholes do you mean?
I'm not sure about the scientific inaccuracies, but Interstellar is probably the most boring and unnecessarily drawn out film I've ever seen. Even Hans Zimmer was bored out of mind, and he fell asleep on his bag pipe for the entire movie.
Irvy
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Bwaaarrrrrrppppp
Scientific:
-Love is quantified.
-The fact that there is a damn planet close to a bloody gargantuan.
-The instant where Matthew's character enters the black hole and isn't ripped to shreds, but actually survives...
-The whole "ghost" thing. If we take time as the 4th dimension then that means that we can travel through it as if it were say, a "path". There is no beggining, middle and end, time simply "is". The fact that he could not interact fully with those "moments" was not that well conceived and I don't remember a particular reason why that happened.
Plot:
-Murph going from gifted to uber, ultra, super Mr. Terrific x Reed Richards territory.
-A buttload of data being transmitted to a bloody watch digit.
-Dr. Mann being the smartest guy evar but not being able to properly operate an airlock.
-As soon as Matthew's character got out of the black hole he was immediately found and brought to his daughter's deathbed. If that isn't plot convenience I don't know what is.
-The whole advanced hoomans Deus Ex Machina. Time-Travel problems aside, about which I could go on and on, why the hell would 5 dimensional beings simply not influence the time stream far more directly? Why couldn't they themselves do the job or heck, if you want to put some form of "hurdle" or limit their powers, why not have them be more involved with the damn story? The whole thing was a last minute cop-out save. Mentioning aliens once or twice during a 3 hour movie simply doesn't count in my book.
Look, I may not remember things exactly like they happened, but these are the "things" that I still remember about it. To be honest, I saw it once in the theater and that's about it. I have no intention of watching it again if I'm being honest. As for being a "new" 2001, I don't know if that was Nolsn's intention or not, but it was sure as hell marketed as 2001 for a new generation. The interviews, the trailers, the talks, everything wanted to make Intetstellar look as "the intellectual's sci-fi movie" and it simply didn't live up to its expectations. The only thing that managed was to create a pseudo-intelligent posse of 12 year olds who see themselves as the new saviors of mankind...
GasparZizou
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Organ you mean?
Oh c'mon, the ****ing soundtrack was awesome, y'all just mad cause you didn't get it, it's too smart for you, 3deep5u Seriously the soundtrack is a masterpiece.
GasparZizou
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-The love thing was just a silly line, I take it it was more sentimental, not scientific, quantifiable because he had access to every single moment.
-It was orbiting Gargantua, it was eventually going to get sucked by it, it's not like it's gonna happen overnight, or even in centuries or millennia, what's the problem there?
-The 5D humans saved him, also, nobody knows what happens in a black hole, being turned into spaghetti and then into a diamond is just a theory, you can let this one pass.
-You can take time as the 4th dimension, but there's also the 4th dimension of space, above the 3rd, he can't interact in those moments directly because you can't perceive more than 3 dimensions, Murphy can't see anything above the 3rd dimension hence why the 4th dimension was represented as a tesseract, to interact with the 3D world from beyond or above it, which was genius, because the equivalent of a cube in 4 dimensions is a tesseract, have you even seen a 4 or 5 dimensional hypercube? It's barely comprehensible. And yes, at that point there's no beginning and no end, everything is happening at the same time, remember Dr. Manhattan?
Those are not scientific plotholes, as everything there is based on purely theoretical stuff, it's the artistic interpretation of n-dimensional geometry and black holes, you can roll with it.
-By the time she's an adult, based on all the work by Mycocaine and then helped by the data Coop sent to her, what's the problem there? Is it not believable?
-Well, you can transmit a butt load of data with binary, it just takes a little longer but not really that much longer.
-He was ****ing crazy and unstable
-It is plot convenience, but it's also explainable, the stronger gravity is the slower the time passes for Coop and faster for Murph, he was right next to Gargantua.
-Here is where it comes to interpretation, Coop said the 5D guys can't directly affect stuff because they can't pinpoint exact moments, it's clear to me that no matter what humanity was saved, hence why there are 5D humans to begin with, which tells me there's no paradox, then 5D humans came back to save what was left of humanity back then, the people who stayed on Earth and died, and like I said, you can't perceive anything that's going on beyond our 3 dimensions, so they needed a 3D human to figure it out and send the info back.
I don't mean to sound like a pompous prick or one of those 12 year olds you mention
but I do love conceptual physics, science fantasy and all that crap, and I've never come with a single substantial Interstellar plot-hole, like a legit one, that makes the movie crumble, there are always nit picks, or things that conceptually people don't understand.This movie has flaws, but it's mainly minor flaws in the execution of some scenes, nothing really plot breaking, and sure is sentimental as ****, I can understand if you don't like it cause of that, but it has a lot of merit for actually trying to be educational of concepts that are kinda hard to grasp, I thought it was mindblowing cause I love multiverse theories and considering they are on the verge of proving there are physical dimensions above the 3rd one, I'm not one to praise Nolan, but he showed he understood those concepts pretty well, like the wormhole to begin with, it was the 1st time someone didn't show a worm hole like a literal hole/gate, that shows how well Nolan grasped those concepts.
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-The love thing was just a silly line, I take it it was more sentimental, not scientific, quantifiable because he had access to every single moment.
-It was orbiting Gargantua, it was eventually going to get sucked by it, it's not like it's gonna happen overnight, or even in centuries or millennia, what's the problem there?
-The 5D humans saved him, also, nobody knows what happens in a black hole, being turned into spaghetti and then into a diamond is just a theory, you can let this one pass.
-You can take time as the 4th dimension, but there's also the 4th dimension of space, above the 3rd, he can't interact in those moments directly because you can't perceive more than 3 dimensions, Murphy can't see anything above the 3rd dimension hence why the 4th dimension was represented as a tesseract, to interact with the 3D world from beyond or above it, which was genius, because the equivalent of a cube in 4 dimensions is a tesseract, have you even seen a 4 or 5 dimensional hypercube? It's barely comprehensible. And yes, at that point there's no beginning and no end, everything is happening at the same time, remember Dr. Manhattan?
Those are not scientific plotholes, as everything there is based on purely theoretical stuff, it's the artistic interpretation of n-dimensional geometry and black holes, you can roll with it.
-By the time she's an adult, based on all the work by Mycocaine and then helped by the data Coop sent to her, what's the problem there? Is it not believable?
-Well, you can transmit a butt load of data with binary, it just takes a little longer but not really that much longer.
-He was ****ing crazy and unstable
-It is plot convenience, but it's also explainable, the stronger gravity is the slower the time passes for Coop and faster for Murph, he was right next to Gargantua.
-Here is where it comes to interpretation, Coop said the 5D guys can't directly affect stuff because they can't pinpoint exact moments, it's clear to me that no matter what humanity was saved, hence why there are 5D humans to begin with, which tells me there's no paradox, then 5D humans came back to save what was left of humanity back then, the people who stayed on Earth and died, and like I said, you can't perceive anything that's going on beyond our 3 dimensions, so they needed a 3D human to figure it out and send the info back.
I don't mean to sound like a pompous prick or one of those 12 year olds you mention
This movie has flaws, but it's mainly minor flaws in the execution of some scenes, nothing really plot breaking, and sure is sentimental as ****, I can understand if you don't like it cause of that, but it has a lot of merit for actually trying to be educational of concepts that are kinda hard to grasp, I thought it was mindblowing cause I love multiverse theories and considering they are on the verge of proving there are physical dimensions above the 3rd one, I'm not one to praise Nolan, but he showed he understood those concepts pretty well, like the wormhole to begin with, it was the 1st time someone didn't show a worm hole like a literal hole/gate, that shows how well Nolan grasped those concepts.
I'm a "reader" you could say of quantum physics and while yes, all of the things in the movie were based on real theories (cue Kip Thorne) ultimately in my opinion at least, took the concept a whole lot of steps further.
-"My connection to Murph is quantifiable" was just absurd. I don't know how Nolan intended it to come out, but as it stands it's cringe worthy.
-I don't see how a planet could orbit a gargantuan for any significant amount of time. Especially when it's infinitely "stronger" than a regular Black Hole. It just doesn't make much sense to me, since a Black Hole is basically a large sum of mass that collapses on itself, therefore "sucking" everything. Granted, I'm no expert, but I don't think that a planet could orbit a gargantuan for a significant amount of time.
-It was a bit too "happy" for my tastes. Most theories I've read support the idea that upon entering a Black Hole you'd be immediately ripped to shreds to the powerful gravity and varying degrees of it.
-Well, you got me there. It really does depend on how you interpret it. There are countless theories about dimensions and whatnot, so I guess they just chose this one and rolled with it. Thing is though, time being the "extra" dimension that we call 4th out of convenience, could have explained a bit better. The tesseract was neat and it managed to get the message across the masses, but IMHO it tried to tackle the whole Branes/m-Branes/Kalami Yau thing and it felt rushed. The "extra dimension of space" was "shown" nicely but I think that had they could have explained it a bit "better"? should I say. A 4d cube is generally portrayed as a cube with extra "layers" or dimensions, whereas the tesseract in the movie came across as a "watered down" Brane.
Truth be told, it's best that they went with the 5d theory and not the 11d one, cause I don't see how they could have done that. It's just that there are so damn many theories out there that, while it fits with some it sorta contradicts others, so it depends on the person. Personally I found some bits and pieces legitimately "wrong", but that's purely based on what I've personally read.
-Well yeah, it kinda is really darn unbelievable. You can't have a work on the verge of extinction and then have a kid whose whole "science backdrop" is a single book set the basis for her to become an über ultra genius. We needed more hints that she was bright rather than "she's a really good student". Yipitee bloody doo, there are millions of good students out there right now, but I don't think that all of them will turn out to be super-smart comic book scientists. To me this was a really glaring plot hole, mainly because it was a really left field "choice" to make.
-I guess I can move past that, but it's still kinda ridiculous.
-Crazy or not, I think a top scientist/astronaught should be able to open an airlock...
-The ages weren't the problem. The problem was that they found him immediately after his exit, saved him and moved him to the closest station, which also happened to house his dying daughter. And he managed to say goodbye. I mean, that's as convenient as Nick Fury having a secret Helicarrier ready for the final showdown. And then some.
-My interpretation was that they 5D hoomans were Hathaway's "children", who tried to influence the past. You can come up with a buttload of reasons why they weren't able to properly traverse through time and space but it feels more like "we've got to find a reason for Coop to save the day" rather than "Coop must save the day because they can't". It needed more build-up in my opinion.
Bottom line is, that, while I give it credit for being ambitious and stunning visually, it simply wasn't the intelligent masterpiece that it was marketed to be. It was stretched out without properly setting up the various characters/obstacles, so it suffered from seemingly having plot holes. Maybe a better term would be plot "omissions", but it still has problems in my opinion.
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GasparZizou
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-Well, yeah like I said it's silly and sentimental, no denying that, but by quantifiable he meant he could identify and quantify each "moment".
-A black hole is a source of gravity just like any other thing that has mass, and as such, things can orbit around it, furthermore, the process of a black hole sucking something can take millions of years, now imagine if a planet is orbiting one, plenty of time to live on that planet for countless generations and then move on to the next one.
-That's what happens before you even enter the black hole, nobody knows what happens past the event horizon, and there are theories that say black holes may behave differently in the 4th dimension, in my interpretation, Coop and Tars were aided by the 5D humans to cross the event horizon while protecting them from the tidal forces from the black hole.
-It really doesn't contradict any theories though, time can be seen as a dimension outside the spacial dimensions, and when you open the door for 4D or 5D you open the door for infinite dimensions not just 11, based on the point-line-plane postulate, then there's negative time and imaginary time, but it's all purely mathematical and theoretical, therefore, an artistic interpretation of that can't be wrong, much like Arthur C. Clarke's "negative space" can't be wrong.
But the tesseract wasn't watered down, and it had little to do with a Calabi manifold, the tesseract is literally the equivalent of a cube in 4 dimensions, and it was created by the 5D humans in a way a 3D person would understand it, you can even see the corners where it connects with the outside cube but continues infinitely, why a 4D cube? Because that way Coop can interact in the "4th dimension of time" and in the 4th spacial dimension above the 3rd.
I was actually reading about n-dimensional geometry around the time I went to see Interstellar, and as soon as I saw the tesseract I shat my pants.
-But she didn't need to be a genius, she was smart, after Coop was gone I took it she was taken in by Mycocaine and educated at NASA, she just needed the black hole data since half of the work was already done by Mycocaine, I still don't see any problems there.
-Imo it isn't ridiculous, binary is just another language, Coop was texting ayy le blackhole lmao
-I think it was believable that he made that mistake while he was on that bat **** crazy frenzy while monologuing
-I thought it was very well implied the 5D bros put him there.
-You are right, the 5D humans we the descendants from the frozen embryos, they went back to save the people who stayed on earth, but they did need Coop, like I said we can't perceive anything beyond our 3D, that is a fact, the most they could do is hand hold 3D dudes into figuring it out for themselves.
Here's the thing, Nolan doesn't often do "show don't tell", he's always exposition exposition exposition, he clearly went for show don't tell in this one at points where exposition wasn't essential or hell, when what was going on on-screen was obvious, yet he still tried to educate the audience, what I think is, given how most of the complaints about plot holes can actually be very well explained, is that people today are so self-entitled and so proud that that they can't stand someone trying to teach them something, "Hmmm how doez dis hack Nolan dare try to teach me something? Wuts this? is he in a library? Lmao das dumb, is dat poetry? lol how pretentiouz, how psudointelektual lmao".
I remember at the beginning, all sorts of dumb "criticism" like "why do you need to explain why a wormhole is a sphere to an engineer?"
Interstellar was supposed to be a blockbuster, and as such it has some cheese and sentiment, but it is more intelligent than most blockbusters, it was educational, infinitely more educational than any block buster in maybe some decades, and it has quite a tight plot and script, sure, it has flaws but nowhere near as many or as bad as people claim, it's just that Nolan's meme status made people dismiss it without actually knowing what they are dismissing, I swear if 2001 was released today people would say it's boring and pretentious too, I can actually see it "look at those ****** monkey suits, what is that? Negative space? That's stoopid"
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GasparZizou
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tl;dr: interstellar's goat and you suck
Interstellar's... goat?
GasparZizou
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Yes, goat.
GasparZizou
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oh yes, feels goat man.Similar threads
