Fantastic Four reboot

[GasparZizou]

I liked Antman.

I don't think it deserves a 50% score, a 70% is just fine for it, I bet it's gonna age better than Guardians and AoU.

 

[pturtle]

Shocking New Details Emerge About Fox's Role In The Disastrous FANTASTIC FOUR Reboot

Entertainment Weekly has once again updated their investigation into what happened between Josh Trank and Twentieth Century Fox on Fantastic Four, and the latest details are definitely pretty shocking. Sources tell them that Trank was driven to breaking point by the studio very early on in production, something which might explain his later behaviour on set (which has been described as hostile and combative). Apparently, they "delayed casting and script approvals, slashed the budget by tens of millions from what was originally promised, and tried to force last-minute changes to the film just as principal photography was beginning." Enduring that wouldn't be easy for even the most experience directors, never mind a relative newcomer to blockbusters like Trank.

One battle which Trank did apparently win was getting the cast he wanted; Fox were looking for more famous actors. However, the studio were "hemming and hawing on approvals for the final script, it stalled crew workers who were trying to build sets, make costumes, props, and prep the movie. This created confusion and stress from the get-go that often boiled over among department heads trying to put together pieces of a movie that was still in flux." The more we hear about Fantastic Four, the clearer it becomes that there were serious faults on both sides. Who is truly responsible for the reboot's failure may ultimately come down to perspective, but it's a complicated story which we may never get to hear in full...what do you think about these details?

 

[Devil_666]

what do you think about these details?

Sounds like everyone is blaming everyone else for this disaster.

 

[bransen2099]

The Avengers movies are not solid storytelling masterpieces

But AntMan

It is what it is..

A popcorn movie. I didn't think it was bad, in fact after AOU I was relieved in wasn't a cgi cluster ****

Yup, Ant-Man is what Ant-Man wanted to be.

I come off as an MCU elite but I did enjoy Days of Future Past and I still think First Class is one of the best comic movies out there, and AoU was a disappointment.

I also shut my mouth and said I'll watch it and then come up with my own opinion and give it a chance.

But with F4, from what the reviewers and word of mouth, to be all over the place and didn't follow through in being the movie it was aiming for.

That being said I have no intention of seeing it now. It's not worth using up 2 hours of my time. It'll probably end up irritating me.

 

[jye4ever]

Shocking New Details Emerge About Fox's Role In The Disastrous FANTASTIC FOUR Reboot

Entertainment Weekly has once again updated their investigation into what happened between Josh Trank and Twentieth Century Fox on Fantastic Four, and the latest details are definitely pretty shocking. Sources tell them that Trank was driven to breaking point by the studio very early on in production, something which might explain his later behaviour on set (which has been described as hostile and combative). Apparently, they "delayed casting and script approvals, slashed the budget by tens of millions from what was originally promised, and tried to force last-minute changes to the film just as principal photography was beginning." Enduring that wouldn't be easy for even the most experience directors, never mind a relative newcomer to blockbusters like Trank.

One battle which Trank did apparently win was getting the cast he wanted; Fox were looking for more famous actors. However, the studio were "hemming and hawing on approvals for the final script, it stalled crew workers who were trying to build sets, make costumes, props, and prep the movie. This created confusion and stress from the get-go that often boiled over among department heads trying to put together pieces of a movie that was still in flux." The more we hear about Fantastic Four, the clearer it becomes that there were serious faults on both sides. Who is truly responsible for the reboot's failure may ultimately come down to perspective, but it's a complicated story which we may never get to hear in full...what do you think about these details?

Nothing shocking whatsoever.

If anything that IS HOLLYWOOD 101 to perfection, hence why GL left Hollywood to create his YES MEN company.

From Wizard of Oz forward (look how many directors are attached to Wizard) all movie productions have changing budget and script battles.

Some directors get chewed up and spit out by Wall Street, like Trank, especially if they're being difficult about the changes.

Next.

Want to shock me, tell me Bruce Jenner looks good as a girl or that Cannibal Campout is your favorite horror movie.

 

[pturtle]

Sounds like everyone is blaming everyone else for this disaster.

Everyone probably is to blame, especially whoever edited the movie and wrote and filmed the last 20 minutes

 

[bransen2099]

I would say Fox is to blame, their fault for not having everyone on the same page and hiring the right director if they didn't like Trank's take on it from the get go

 

[pturtle]

That's how I feel, once they hired him, let him do his job, I understand some studio interference but they basically hijacked Trank's movie. Half the scenes they put together just didn't make sense.

 

[jye4ever]

That's how I feel, once they hired him, let him do his job, I understand some studio interference but they basically hijacked Trank's movie. Half the scenes they put together just didn't make sense.

pturtle, think this thru though.

Trank obviously did something that caused not only Fox studio to loose faith in him but for him to be fired from his next job.

Fox didn't even remove Hood from Origins, what does that tell you about Trank!

If Fox is evil like you're saying then even Singer would've been messed with.

 

[Deckard]

If Trank was indeed coming in strung out or high every day, I'd say that's a solid reason for a studio to have zero faith. And theres surely some part of the story we aren't getting because you can't convince me he chose to walk away from a Star Wars movie under his own volition.

 

[jye4ever]

Exactly, this is not a repeat of Alien3/Fincher.

I never felt the urge to punch Fincher in the face!

 

[pturtle]

pturtle, think this thru though.

Trank obviously did something that caused not only Fox studio to loose faith in him but for him to be fired from his next job.

Fox didn't even remove Hood from Origins, what does that tell you about Trank!

If Fox is evil like you're saying then even Singer would've been messed with.

I don't think Fox is evil, I think they were just wrong in this situation, based on these reports of course.

Singer had major problems with the studio when he was directing X1 and X2 which eventually lead to him walking away from the franchise, but he was also a proven and respected director by then that earned some respect from the studio.

For all I know, Trank's version could have sucked as well, but based on reports, insider info, past screenings, it looks like Fox was scared of Trank's version because it was too dark, maybe it would have lead to the film being R rated and that scared them.

I also think that Disney caught wind of Trank's cut which is why they decided to hire him, and once they checked out if the rumors with him were true regarding going to work high and causing damage to the set, they fired him. But based on reports, I heard that Trank actually did walk away from Star Wars after everything he went through with Fox, I don't know how true that is but it would make sense that after such a bad experience working with a major studio, that he might have wanted some piece and quiet and work on a smaller project.


All I know is that when you watch that movie, you know it's been meddled with. When Trank was first interviewed he was talking about making a real scifi Cronenbergian kind of film that show the horror of them getting their powers and eventually learning to use their powers. The movie in theaters right now pretty much skips passed all of that. Half of the stuff in the trailers was taken out, and there were scenes that matched with what Snikt said about the ending, that isn't in the movie. It all leads me to believe Fox edited this movie to hell, they basically tries to turned the second half of the movie into a generic superhero film which total goes against what the first half was setting up.

 

[Gully Foyle]

I would say Fox is to blame

No doubt, but there's plenty of blame to spread around.
If Trank had lost his film, he could have disowned it and gone "Alan Smithee." He didn't.

I can't be surprised this movie was a total disaster.
It wasn’t made for the love of the characters.
It wasn’t made to tell a fantastic story.
It wasn’t made for artistic expression.
It probably wasn’t even made with the intention of making a profit.
It was solely made to prevent the rights for the Fantastic Four from reverting back to Marvel/Disney.


That said, this "Fox vs. Marvel Studios" back-and-forth is playground-level juvenile.
Superhero movies aren't a zero sum game, and no one studio can claim an exclusive crown.
But Marvel does have a better track record in shepherding their characters onto the screen. (Daredevil, anyone?)
And Fox now has three (count 'em) strikes at bat on the Fantastic Four.
It's time to change innings.

___

 

[SNIKT1950]

That's how I feel, once they hired him, let him do his job, I understand some studio interference but they basically hijacked Trank's movie. Half the scenes they put together just didn't make sense.

Well, from what I heard regarding Trank's cut, the first and second act remain virtually identical. Its the third act that the studio removed and replaced with the reshoots. Basically once Doom returns from the Negative Zone it ceases to be Trank's film.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I can't be surprised this movie was a total disaster.
It wasn’t made for the love of the characters.
It wasn’t made to tell a fantastic story.
It wasn’t made for artistic expression.
It probably wasn’t even made with the intention of making a profit.
It was solely made to prevent the rights for the Fantastic Four from reverting back to Marvel/Disney.

None of that is true. At all.

FOX had until 2016 to exercise the rights by starting production on a new film. This wasn't a rush job to retain the FF. That rights grab shtick was anti-Fox propaganda generated by Disney fanboys the moment the reboot went into production.

The studio and Trank went into this with all the right intentions. The mistake the studio made was attempting to make the film more accessible after the test screenings deemed it too dark. Shoulda left it alone.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'm bending towards the idea of Fox ruining Trank's vision, I remember at the beginning all the talk about this being influenced by Cronenberg and everything, being a bit on the horror side, that idea appealed to me, since I care not at all for the Fantastic Four, and trailer after trailer that wasn't what we were getting at all, except but glimpses, turning more into a typical CBM every time.

So I don't know, the dude did a really good job with Chronicle, good characters, good interactions, good script (Landis), seems like a weird turn to go from that to make an incoherent mess of a movie, IDK sounds like documentary material.

 

[pturtle]

Well, from what I heard regarding Trank's cut, the first and second act remain virtually identical. Its the third act that the studio removed and replaced with the reshoots. Basically once Doom returns from the Negative Zone it ceases to be Trank's film.

Yea, but based on reports, he didn't get to film everything from his and Kinberg's original script. He had basically work with what he had on very short notice. After Fox came and reduced the budget, and they asked him to remove three major action set pieces and god knows what else. I also read that they fired the FX team without even telling Trank in order to keep the budget low.

No doubt though that the 3rd act absolutely ruins the movie. It was just horrible, that ending man

I'm bending towards the idea of Fox ruining Trank's vision, I remember at the beginning all the talk about this being influenced by Cronenberg and everything, being a bit on the horror side, that idea appealed to me, since I care not at all for the Fantastic Four, and trailer after trailer that wasn't what we were getting at all, except but glimpses, turning more into a typical CBM every time.

So I don't know, the dude did a really good job with Chronicle, good characters, good interactions, good script (Landis), seems like a weird turn to go from that to make a incoherent mess of a movie, IDK sounds like documentary material.

They were also talking about this being a character driven movie, and wanting to show the Fantastic Four as a family, in the movie they're all rarely together, I'm being honest when I say I don't know if Ben and Sue ever shared words in this movie, Johnny and Ben might have have had a few lines talking to each other and that's it, everything that happens with Dr Storm and how he's totally forgotten about in the final act was insane
You can tell that there was major scenes missing that would have fleshed out the whole family theme the movie was said to be about and seemed to be heading towards.


Early on Trank spoke about Thing being able to switch back and forth, in the movie he's Thing throughout, They pretty much scrapped everything Trank originally intended to do with Doom (the hacker being named Domashev stuff ) and basically throw him in and kill him in about 15 minutes and a fight scene that makes absolutely no sense.

I think once this comes out on cable and most of you guys finally watch it you'll see what I'm talking about

 

[cmiller99]

From Wizard of Oz forward (look how many directors are attached to Wizard) all movie productions have changing budget and script battles.

That movie is a miracle considering how many production problems and directors it had attached.

 

[GasparZizou]

Is there a copy of the original script in the webz?

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'm bending towards the idea of Fox ruining Trank's vision, I remember at the beginning all the talk about this being influenced by Cronenberg and everything, being a bit on the horror side, that idea appealed to me, since I care not at all for the Fantastic Four, and trailer after trailer that wasn't what we were getting at all, except but glimpses, turning more into a typical CBM every time.

So I don't know, the dude did a really good job with Chronicle, good characters, good interactions, good script (Landis), seems like a weird turn to go from that to make an incoherent mess of a movie, IDK sounds like documentary material.

The Cronenberg Scanners/The Fly influences are all over the strong first and second acts of the film. Doom literally makes people's heads explode at one point inside Area 57 leaving a massive blood trail. Its good stuff.