Fantastic Four reboot

[pturtle]

I can't think of one visually interesting character from any of the X-movies that references the source material in a compelling way. Doom is probably the biggest eff-up of them all from any of the franchises (he couldn't be easier to do right). In regards to compelling villains I'd agree Marvel doesn't have a great track record either (hate what they did to Ultron) but generally they reference the source material for their heroes and villains better than FOX and Sony. Apocalypse is a perfect example. Shouldn't be human stature at all (and there's no excuse for it given access to CGI nowadays) and yet they've got a guy in blue make-up playing, just as I predicted when the movie was first announced. Would much prefer ALL of Marvel being under one roof rather than pieced out like how it is now.

So it's aesthetic > character for you? Then I definitely understand your hate for Fox and the Singerverse.

I personally don't care what these costumes look like when it comes to the movies, if it look good then great and if it looks crappy but the villain is still awesome then also great.

Isaac already confirmed that he'll be able to go up and down in size, I expect that he'll get bigger in the final battle, but if not I really don't care.

Still, Fox's Deadpool looks perfect, Storm looks perfect now, Psylocke's costume is ripped straight out of the comics, the original F4 movies had perfect costumes, Emma Frost looked perfect, First Class suits looked great etc...

Fox isn't totally ******** when it comes to designs, that's Bryan Singer.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I can't think of one visually interesting character from any of the X-movies that references the source material in a compelling way. Doom is probably the biggest eff-up of them all from any of the franchises (he couldn't be easier to do right). In regards to compelling villains I'd agree Marvel doesn't have a great track record either (hate what they did to Ultron) but generally they reference the source material for their heroes and villains better than FOX and Sony. Apocalypse is a perfect example. Shouldn't be human stature at all (and there's no excuse for it, given access to CGI nowadays) and yet they've got a guy in blue make-up playing the character, just as I predicted when the movie was first announced. Would much prefer ALL of Marvel being under one roof rather than pieced out like how it is now.

You cite Disney's bad track record with their antagonists yet you still want them having control over all the Marvel villains. I get that its cool when they look like they do in the comics but it shouldn't be at the expense of their impact onscreen. Ultron looked great in AOU but he wasn't menacing and they had him cracking jokes. Doom looked like something from Akira in FF but he killed 50 people, splattering their blood all over the walls.

Yeah, movie Apocalypse doesn't look as cool as comics Apocalypse - but I don't care because I know he'll be a cinematic monster that I'll be talking about long after watching the movie.

 

[Invictus Sol]

So it's aesthetic > character for you?...

No, but it's important. While I enjoy say DOFP, things like Colossus being a stringbean and getting literally ripped apart by Sentinels is something that pulls me out of the movie. Stuff like Juggernaut just ruins the movie. One of the (many) reasons I'll never watch X3 again.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I know he'll be a cinematic monster that I'll be talking about long after watching the movie.

How do you know that?

 

[Invictus Sol]

You cite Disney's bad track record with their antagonists yet you still want them having control over all the Marvel villains. I get that its cool when they look like they do in the comics but it shouldn't be at the expense of their impact onscreen. Ultron looked great in AOU but he wasn't menacing and they had him cracking jokes. Doom looked like something from Akira in FF but he killed 50 people, splattering their blood all over the walls.

Yeah, movie Apocalypse doesn't look as cool as comics Apocalypse - but I don't care because I know he'll be a cinematic monster that I'll be talking about long after watching the movie.

No reason they shouldn't be able to do both (characterization and aesthetic) with the budgets they have.

 

[SNIKT1950]

How do you know that?

Singer hasn't done a bad villain yet. Magneto, Stryker, Trask and the Sentinels...his villains are always very complex, driven by compelling agendas and he fully realizes them in their respective films.

He'd do Kang justice in a big way, even if Kang's outfit didn't have a lick of purple.

 

[pturtle]

How do you know that?

Singer has a pretty great track record with his X-Men villains. X1 had Magneto, X2 had Styker and Magneto, DOFP had younger Magneto and Sentinels, why should we assume he's going to ruin Apocalypse now?

 

[The Mike]

I was reading a couple of articles that there are fears that this film might not make back it's budget even with International box offices. If that's the case then I would say it'd death nail anything FF at 20th Century Fox, although Green Lantern made 19 million over it's budget after the International box office so I would imagine this would do the same kind of recovery.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah Apoc may look like poop, but costume designs have NEVER been Fox-men's strong side, but they don't lack in quality in every other department.

He'll be a great villain even if he looks stupid.

Off topic, I need a figure of that Quick Silver.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

So it's aesthetic > character for you? Then I definitely understand your hate for Fox and the Singerverse.

I personally don't care what these costumes look like when it comes to the movies, if it look good then great and if it looks crappy but the villain is still awesome then also great.

Isaac already confirmed that he'll be able to go up and down in size, I expect that he'll get bigger in the final battle, but if not I really don't care.

Still, Fox's Deadpool looks perfect, Storm looks perfect now, Psylocke's costume is ripped straight out of the comics, the original F4 movies had perfect costumes, Emma Frost looked perfect, First Class suits looked great etc...

Fox isn't totally ******** when it comes to designs, that's Bryan Singer.

It's too bad that Fox can't put it all together in one good film though. F4 (2003) had the right look, but the film wasn't good. First Class is the only film to feel like a true X Men film (imo) and some of the costumes were ok, imo....but most of the cool X Men weren't in it. Now, we get this 80's X MEN film, and the guy the film is named after doesn't look as cool as the comic version. Sure, Storm and Psylocke look good, but too bad they couldn't be as faithful to the comics with the character that matters most. When Fox makes a good movie, either the costumes don't look right or the key characters are missing, and when they make a bad movie, the costumes and look of the characters look pretty good. And then there's X Men 3, bad costumes and a bad movie. I will say this, Disney also changes the look of the characters like GOTG, but they look is more memorable and it fits the personality of the characters.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Singer hasn't done a bad villain yet. Magneto, Stryker, Trask and the Sentinels...his villains are always very complex, driven by compelling agendas and he fully realizes them in their respective films.

He'd do Kang justice in a big way, even if Kang's outfit didn't have a lick of purple.

Singer has a pretty great track record with his X-Men villains. X1 had Magneto, X2 had Styker and Magneto, DOFP had younger Magneto and Sentinels, why should we assume he's going to ruin Apocalypse now?

Both old and young Magneto are good villains and antiheroes. Stryker is...ok, but I wouldn't say he's memorable or an all time great villain, just average, imo. He did have a good motivation to be a villain in X2, and the same goes for Magneto. Maybe that's what's missing from the Disney villains, a good motivation, which is something that Loki has and other MCU villains don't. Anyway, the sentinels were a cool side character, but not something I think about when I think of DOFP.

 

[GasparZizou]

Stryker was awesome, I think he was really memorable.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Stryker was awesome, I think he was really memorable.

He had such pathos. A man who wanted to cure his mutant son. Compelling to say the least. A human threat far more dangerous than a superhuman threat.

 

[pturtle]

Yea Styker was great, he's just not a super villain in costume which is why he doesn't get enough credit.

Then again X2 doesn't get enough credit, that movie is really amazing and seems to be forgotten with all these new superhero movies coming out.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Stryker was awesome, I think he was really memorable.

Really? I mean, he was fine. But honestly, if I ask you to write a list of great movie villains, you really would think of Stryker? Not now of course, because we're on the subject, but some other time when X Men isn't the subject of the conversation, and we're just talking about great movie villains.

 

[pturtle]

Great movie villains in general? Then he's probably not that memorable, but if we're talking about superhero films I think he's certainly up there.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Great movie villains then he's probably not that memorable, but if we're talking about superhero films I think he certainly up there.

That's what I'm talking about. Magneto is a great movie villain, not just a comic villain. I don't want Apoc to just be a good superhero villain. I want him to be great, and the look was part of that. He can still be great though.

 

[bransen2099]

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[pturtle]

That's what I'm talking about. Magneto is a great movie villain, not just a comic villain. I don't want Apoc to just be a good superhero villain. I want him to be great.

To be honest I don't know if Magneto is that high on my list of my favorite movie villains ever. Only Ledger's Joker makes that list for me.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

To be honest I don't know if Magneto is that high on my list of my favorite movie villains ever. Only Ledger's Joker makes that list for me.

I would. Both young and old Magneto as the same character. He's so much more than a villain, he's just a great character, but he also happens to be villain, even though he thinks he's doing the right thing. I like that. He's always in that grey area and walking that line between good and bad. He wouldn't be in my top 10 probably, but he would be close.