Deckard
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You know a movie sucks when those trying desperately to defend it have to start trying to compare the hate to Nazis and ISIS. Even the film's director disagrees with you.
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chewblacca
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I didn't want to hate it, but after watching it I was wide eyed in disbelief. it was so bad I couldnt believe it. I think Fox knew what they were doing. They fulfilled their obligation and held onto the movie rights now Disney can make a deal like Sony. The FF join the Marvel Cinema Universe and they get part of the profits that Disney has been making with all these Marvel films. If Disney doesn't want to deal then Fox just keeps doing what they want, and only the fans suffer.
Deckard
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Fox would suffer as well. They'd just have to reboot again in 4 or however many years, which would leave this one still fresh in our minds.
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For those that have seen it: did Reed ever go to college? I remember the Highschool science fair, the offer from Johnny's father, then the Baxter building. How much education did he have?
How's the chemistry between Reed and Sue in this movie? I'm surprised not a single person has mentioned it yet.
bransen2099
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High School then moved to the Baxter.
bransen2099
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Initially awkward, than forced, than somewhat non existent.
Genisys made 27 million it's opening weekend and looks like it will barely make 88 million total. Ouch. Who would have thought that Arnold might outperform a big budget superhero movie in 2015?
This keeps coming up as a primary reason for the reshoots:
I'm sorry but if that's true then whatever abysmal reshoots are still ON HIM. You don't get to walk onto a set of someone else's property, with 100-200 million dollars of someone else's money and then not play well with others. Sounds like Fox was simply trying to get clear direction and a grasp of just what Trank's vision actually was and he either couldn't say because he was doing everything by the seat of his pants or he simply didn't want to communicate. You do that with a hundred million dollar production and you lose control of it. Sorry Trank, sounds like you made your own bed on this one. You don't get to now play victim and blame the studio for messing with "your" movie.
Whedon butted heads with the studio but he clearly was giving them reasons for his decisions every step of the way and did his best to still be the overseer of how Disney's wishes were integrated into the finished film.
I'm sorry but if that's true then whatever abysmal reshoots are still ON HIM. You don't get to walk onto a set of someone else's property, with 100-200 million dollars of someone else's money and then not play well with others. Sounds like Fox was simply trying to get clear direction and a grasp of just what Trank's vision actually was and he either couldn't say because he was doing everything by the seat of his pants or he simply didn't want to communicate. You do that with a hundred million dollar production and you lose control of it. Sorry Trank, sounds like you made your own bed on this one. You don't get to now play victim and blame the studio for messing with "your" movie.
Whedon butted heads with the studio but he clearly was giving them reasons for his decisions every step of the way and did his best to still be the overseer of how Disney's wishes were integrated into the finished film.
Kamandi
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If Whedon said he wanted to direct another Marvel or a Star Wars everyone knows Disney would pull a chair out for him.
Josh Trank will have a difficult time getting people to take his calls. His best move going forward is to channel Lars Von Trier and make art house films.
Josh Trank will have a difficult time getting people to take his calls. His best move going forward is to channel Lars Von Trier and make art house films.
36 minutes: Yep, Doom got Reed drunk and both decided to make an unauthorized travel to another dimension to be "the first ones". Why Johny, Ben or Susan went there? Who knows.
41 minutes: Why the hell they had US flag on a metal pole with them???
bransen2099
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Riddick this is hilarious
quadcent
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basically since there wasn't any, one scene she pretty much ignores him in the library and then they have a couple laughs in a yet another totally forced scene that of course Doom jumped to the conclusion that they were within minutes of getting it on. The scene in no way even had hint of spark between the two of them, it was like two friends just having a couple chuckles.........My god this movie was bad.....
olbertfrog
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The reshoot reason is that they did not like what Trank showed them, his cut did not please Fox execs (THAT IS ALL).
Fox ****ed Trank since day one, they agreed on HIS vision (like or not its not the question here), then they pulled the rug on him the first time by cutting 3 big action set pieces a few days before shooting, then by recutting and reshooting the movie final act.
Studios deal with erratic behaviors from directors all the time, it doesnt make the headlines.
Here it did because Trank came forward instead of posting evasive twitter quips.
Imagine you're doing something, everybody says its **** without seeing it and in the end its out but it was transformed without you but yet you still get blamed for everything. Enough to go mad i think.
He looks like a troubled person, but who cares, would be better to judge his actual work than his persona or what was used in the final film.
One thing im surprised tho, why did he not removed his name from the movie.
Go Alan Smithee on them...
I hope that Simon Kinberg and Mathhew Vaugh will get the same love from the fans for their beautiful work on the film reshoot...
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So Reed goes right to the Baxter Building and builds this machine, and is called one of the greatest minds in the world while not finishing Highschool. I also remember Johnny telling his father that he is an adult now, so basically since Reed and Ben are still in Highschool Johnny is the oldest.
bransen2099
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Yup if anything Reed and Ben, maybe even Sue, are the same age and Johnny is the erratic (then not erratic, seriously wtf is up with the characters personalities) oldest.
loki2371
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I love this thread!! The most entertaining ever! I remember quite a few people posting how everyone is gonna be wrong and to give this movie a chance because It's gonna be great and all the haters will eat their words, hell even one of the actors (Michael B) was rude and arrogant towards the fans ..... Yet there seems to be only 1 poor non-quitting voice here who for some reason will not give up. Stubornness? Pride maybe? Remember, hubris is the downfall of many a great character throughout history and storytelling.
So here's a way to end this. There should be 2 ways to watch and review this movie :
Option 1 as a standalone scifi/horror movie related to nothing and with no intentions of a sequel unless by some chance it becomes a billion dollar blockbuster. Those who look at it this way? Sure, maybe it's an ok B movie that would develop a cult following.
Option 2 as a Comic Book movie based on a Marvel property with 60+ years of history with storytelling and a fan base numbering well into the millions. And the hope of a huge movie studio (FOX) to develop existing popular characters into a new property that could lead into an ongoing cinematic universe to compete with MARVEL's own super successful never before achieved shared movie cinematic universe. On this premise this movie is nothing but an epic fail.
There is nothing good or right done here. A studio who only saw this as a money grab and way to retain the rights to characters it has no interest in. Trank and FOX both fail big time here. Between the writing, the casting, the costuming, the low budget and terrible CGI effects, and editing that literally ruined the film nobody seemed to care one bit about!!
This movie should've either never been made, or not called the Fant4stic (a joke in and unto itself!!)... Should have just been another generic scifi/horror movie ...
I remember quite a few people posting how everyone is gonna be wrong and to give this movie a chance because It's gonna be great and all the haters will eat their words, hell even one of the actors (Michael B) was rude and arrogant towards the fans ..... Yet there seems to be only 1 poor non-quitting voice here who for some reason will not give up. Stubornness? Pride maybe? Remember, hubris is the downfall of many a great character throughout history and storytelling. So here's a way to end this. There should be 2 ways to watch and review this movie :
Option 1 as a standalone scifi/horror movie related to nothing and with no intentions of a sequel unless by some chance it becomes a billion dollar blockbuster. Those who look at it this way? Sure, maybe it's an ok B movie that would develop a cult following.
Option 2 as a Comic Book movie based on a Marvel property with 60+ years of history with storytelling and a fan base numbering well into the millions. And the hope of a huge movie studio (FOX) to develop existing popular characters into a new property that could lead into an ongoing cinematic universe to compete with MARVEL's own super successful never before achieved shared movie cinematic universe. On this premise this movie is nothing but an epic fail.
There is nothing good or right done here. A studio who only saw this as a money grab and way to retain the rights to characters it has no interest in. Trank and FOX both fail big time here. Between the writing, the casting, the costuming, the low budget and terrible CGI effects, and editing that literally ruined the film nobody seemed to care one bit about!!This movie should've either never been made, or not called the Fant4stic (a joke in and unto itself!!)... Should have just been another generic scifi/horror movie ...
I'm not seeing any conclusive proof that it was a simple matter of Trank turning in a finished cut that was supposedly decent and then Fox orchestrated reshoots after the fact. Sure Trank alone claimed that, though even he isn't standing by such a claim as he quickly rescinded his comment. You don't get fired from your next gig for being awesome. Something was up with him and him alone. Yes many directors are difficult but only proven successes actually get away with it (unless the movie has a tiny budget and the studio doesn't think it's worth a fight.)
Fox: "You're new to the Singerverse right Trank?"
"Yes..."
"So what makes you think the slack I cut Singer in any way translates to you?"
*gulp*
A studio doesn't order reshooting if the original product was good
People keep bringing up Alien 3 but Fincher STILL managed a final theatrical product that was good in it's own way (if you can forgive the early deaths of Hicks and Newt.) Thunderdome was all over the place with multiple directors and it's still entertaining. Lucas was furious about studio interference on American Graffiti and that movie STILL is a ****ing classic. The MPAA forced Verhoeven to add extra comedic news broadcasts to soften the hardcore nature of RoboCop and he turned those scenes into some of the film's most iconic moments.
If directors stay the course and play by the rules they can still turn out decent (or even good to great) films.
If directors stay the course and play by the rules they can still turn out decent (or even good to great) films.
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