Fantastic Four reboot

[chewblacca]

If the story is good with solid writing usually you can't go wrong.

 

[RIDDICK]

Streaming it.

12 minutes: The writing is very poor.
15 minutes: Well, not all of it. Nice scene.
16 minutes: Oops, obvious rewrite/reshoot started. Franklin Storm is an awful person.
17 minutes: I apologise, Franklin Storm is just incredibly naive and dumb.
21 minutes: HOLY ****, why was this crap released at all?!?!?!

31 minutes: Obvious CGI chimpanzee in a movie where Toby Kebbell is a villain... Good job, FOX!

36 minutes: Yep, Doom got Reed drunk and both decided to make an unauthorized travel to another dimension to be "the first ones". Why Johny, Ben or Susan went there? Who knows.

41 minutes: Why the hell they had US flag on a metal pole with them???

53 minutes: Last five minutes were bleak as hell with very little context.
55 minutes: 1 year later? ONE freaking YEAR LATER???

 

[jye4ever]

A studio doesn't order reshooting if the original product was good

People can hate MCU/Disney all they want but they know what they're doing.

Even their troubled productions like TIH, IM2, Thor 2, AOU and Ant-Man turn out watchable with a coherent vision.

Maybe not great, but at least entertaining.

 

[karamazov80]

I'm not seeing any conclusive proof that it was a simple matter of Trank turning in a finished cut that was supposedly decent and then Fox orchestrated reshoots after the fact. Sure Trank alone claimed that, though even he isn't standing by such a claim as he quickly rescinded his comment. You don't get fired from your next gig for being awesome. Something was up with him and him alone. Yes many directors are difficult but only proven successes actually get away with it (unless the movie has a tiny budget and the studio doesn't think it's worth a fight.)

Fox: "You're new to the Singerverse right Trank?"

"Yes..."

"So what makes you think the slack I cut Singer in any way translates to you?"

*gulp*

While I wouldn't excuse Trank's behavior, I can sort of understand it, based on what information we've seen trickle forward. He's a fairly young, and inexperienced guy. He plays videogames a lot apparently and does drugs. Not unlike Snyder, he doesn't strike me as a visionary filmmaker that's going to do something particularly important, or even good without a lot of assistance from others. But, he's got some good filmmaking qualities obviously that first attracted the execs to go after him for this.

But he can't stand the spotlight--many can't as a personality characteristic--, he doesn't play well with others (guy who co-wrote Chronicle with him seemed to be taking subtle pot shots with his twitter posts), and acts a bit entitled and spoiled. The fact that he would post the deleted tweet in the first place does say a lot about his maturity level, and degree (i.e., lack) of foresight. But not shocking when you consider who is seems to be now and where he came from.

Hopefully both he and the studio can learn from this. I like the idea of injecting some indie film sensibilities into super hero movies. The Marvel Studios "spectacle" approach has been pretty damn played out at this point, after all. But it has to be done well, and probably in concert with other influential people with good judgment and sense when it comes to these things. I suspect that both Trank and the producers who had a hand in affecting the final product here played a role in it coming out as terribly as it apparently did. If a Feige type were on board, or a Bryan Singer, or a Chris Nolan, etc., they could have at least salvaged it and turned it into a modestly good, even if by the numbers comic movie. But that didn't happen, so. . .too bad. The FF deserve better.

 

[RIDDICK]

Also, a question to those poor *******s who paid to see this abomination:

How the **** Susan got her powers? Was there any explanation at all?
Could I simply miss something as important or is it just another rewrite/reshoot issue?

 

[cerealkeller]

This film was frustrating to say the least. The most frustrating aspect being that I really liked what Trank was doing in this film for the first half. It surprisingly was working for me as a science fiction film and the actors I thought were spot on. They were not connected (except Richards and Grimm), which I thought would be corrected when they got their powers. Boy was I wrong! Once they get their powers they SKIP A YEAR where character development could have happened and they could have found connection to each other. Then the film just falls apart for me. That is the most frustrating part of this movie. I didn't hate was Trank was doing and really wish he was able to tell his story. Fox hired him based on his pitch then decides to change midway through production? What were they thinking?! Like I said, it is really decent (not great but lots of potential) until they get their powers. Then the film just meanders until the last 20 minutes where it goes laughably bad. What a waste of potential.

 

[Khev]

I also don't believe that Fox saw this awesome Cronenberg horror movie and decided to make it a by the numbers comic book movie at the last minute. If it was too "hardcore" they could have easily fixed it without reshoots. Just have some of the Tetsuo moments take place off screen and things like that. Kind of like how Nolan made the Joker this freaky Hannibal Lecter type but whenever he actually killed a guy it either happened so fast you didn't see it (pencil trick) or it was off screen with no audio (Michael Jai White.) Total reshoots really suggests that whatever Trank had going on at the end was un-savalgable crap especially since they *didn't* trim the exploding heads earlier in the film.

 

[cerealkeller]

But it seemed like 2 different films happened. The half before they got their powers and the second half which was terrible.

 

[jye4ever]

Anyways, I just got back from this cinematic version of a hooker on an abortion table.

I will say this, Tim Story's F4 movies are masterpieces compared to this.

They might've **** on the source material and had a not so great Reed, Sue and Doom plus a human size Thing but at least there was an element of a fun and energetic family dynamic with some pretty decent action, a comic book come to life.

This movie was made by someone who had no business trying to emulate a great like Cronenberg in writing, directing and character study.

You could tell it was made by someone who thought they were being a genius when in reality they were outputting grade school drama.

Directing/Writing is much more than just talking about a great idea and vision with cinematic history being thrown around trying to sound all smart, any ***** can talk big.

Filmmaking is about working with hundreds of people simultaneously from dozens of departments to bring that vision to life, empowering others with your confidence and gaining their respect and trust thru a collaborative process starting at the top all the way to the bottom.

The second the departments lose faith in their director they're immediately going to the producers to complain and the snow ball starts there.

Trank is a little kid driving a car on the LA freeway, **** is going to go bad quick!

The build up in this movie, the first "quality" hour, was even worse than what Tim Story gave us, because at least Tim Story was mature enough to follow thru all the way to the end with his build up.

Don't even get me started on the so called superhero action. It made no ****ing sense!

This movie is a 1/10.

Nah, **** that, 0/10.

I would stand in Times Square naked with a sign that said "Godzilla is Coming, We're All Doomed!" before I ever watch this movie again.

 

[a-dev]

Really sounding like the last two F4 films with Alba and Chris Evans were masterpieces compared to this. I will watch those instead.

edit- Hah! I hadn't even read Jye's post above and he said exactly this and used pretty much the exact same wording.

 

[Chapter 2099]

Anyways, I just got back from this cinematic version of a hooker on an abortion table.

I will say this, Tim Story's F4 movies are masterpieces compared to this.

They might've **** on the source material and had a not so great Reed, Sue and Doom plus a human size Thing but at least there was an element of a fun and energetic family dynamic with some pretty decent action, a comic book come to life.

This movie was made by someone who had no business trying to emulate a great like Cronenberg in writing, directing and character study.

You could tell it was made by someone who thought they were being a genius when in reality they were outputting grade school drama.

Directing/Writing is much more than just talking about a great idea and vision with cinematic history being thrown around trying to sound all smart, any ***** can talk big.

Filmmaking is about working with hundreds of people simultaneously from dozens of departments to bring that vision to life, empowering others with your confidence and gaining their respect and trust thru a collabrative process starting at the top all the way to the bottom.

The second the departments lose faith in their director they're immediately going to the producers to complain and the snow ball starts there.

Trank is a little kid driving a car on the LA freeway, **** is going to go bad quick!

The build up in this movie, the first "quality" hour, was even worse than what Tim Story gave us, because at least Tim Story was mature enough to follow thru all the way to the end with his build up.

Don't even get me started on the so called superhero action. It made no ****ing sense!

This movie is a 1/10.

Nah, **** that, 0/10.

I would stand in Times Square naked with a sign that said "Godzilla is Coming, We're All Doomed!" before I ever watch this movie again.

This might be the best review you've ever written.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Told ya you should have seen MI5, Jye.

 

[olbertfrog]

I'm not seeing any conclusive proof that it was a simple matter of Trank turning in a finished cut that was supposedly decent and then Fox orchestrated reshoots after the fact. Sure Trank alone claimed that, though even he isn't standing by such a claim as he quickly rescinded his comment. You don't get fired from your next gig for being awesome. Something was up with him and him alone. Yes many directors are difficult but only proven successes actually get away with it (unless the movie has a tiny budget and the studio doesn't think it's worth a fight.)

Fox: "You're new to the Singerverse right Trank?"

"Yes..."

"So what makes you think the slack I cut Singer in any way translates to you?"

*gulp*

Chronicle was decent, far from original since it basically ripped off AKIRA (and that Max Landis dare to say its an original idea...) so im willing to give some credits to Trank and some scenes in Fantastic Four leads to a better if not great movie.
Trank definitly has a part in this, he played, he lost, but yet i dont think he deserves the hate.
Removing his twitter post doenst mean he rescinder anything, thats PR damage control, Lawyers running in.
He did got fired from Star Wars but guess who is behind this, Simon Kinberg the guy who reshoot his movie in his back.
If Trank and Kinberg had bad blood guess who is wispering stuff to Disney.

A studio doesn't order reshooting if the original product was good

You can't be serious, or you know nothing about studios, and movie history.

People keep bringing up Alien 3 but Fincher STILL managed a final theatrical product that was good in it's own way (if you can forgive the early deaths of Hicks and Newt.) Thunderdome was all over the place with multiple directors and it's still entertaining. Lucas was furious about studio interference on American Graffiti and that movie STILL is a ****ing classic. The MPAA forced Verhoeven to add extra comedic news broadcasts to soften the hardcore nature of RoboCop and he turned those scenes into some of the film's most iconic moments.

If directors stay the course and play by the rules they can still turn out decent (or even good to great) films.

Alien 3 was reedited, did not have reshoots for 27 millions.
So either way that comparaison is wrong.
All your exemple are true (even if i never heard anything about the ROBOCOP tv ads being asked by the MPAA since they are exactly what Ed Neumaier wrote in Robocop and Starship Troopers...) But other times, other era, and none of those had 27 millions worth of reshoots.
I dont think anyone realize what that means in term of turning something decent into a turd.
Everyone says that the beggining is ok good even, then it goes through the window, so...

If the story is good with solid writing usually you can't go wrong.

Trank had is story good or not, he shot it, then they rewrote and reshoot.
How can we know if the story was good? have you read the original script? seen the original cut?
Its a crippled movie that has been released.

I doubt its a masterpiece or anything but i wish we could just see it.

 

[jye4ever]

This might be the best review you've ever written.

I think its close.

Told ya you should have seen MI5, Jye.

Tonight with the wife!

 

[chewblacca]

I agree with Jye, but I was being nice in my review. This movie is all kinds of bad. My bud just texted me and said he saw this and now feels really mad and sad about it. I told that's what this movie does. Plays with your emotions.

 

[Chapter 2099]

So which was worse: This....or Spirit of Vengeance?

 

[jye4ever]

There are quality bad movies then there is this.

I get it, many of MCU movies are cookie cut outs.

But at least they're finished products that have a coherent shape, texture and taste, even if bland sometimes, ready to be consumed

This movie is a bowl of raw dough and the director is staring at it not knowing if he's going to make a cookie or a pizza, so he just says **** it and puts it out to eat as is.

 

[jye4ever]

So which was worse: This....or Spirit of Vengeance?

This!

I **** you not Chap, at least those ******** brothers completed their grand vision of GR taking a piss of fire.

 

[RIDDICK]

Anyone? Please, it drives me mad...

Also, a question to those poor *******s who paid to see this abomination:

How the **** Susan got her powers? Was there any explanation at all?
Could I simply miss something as important or is it just another rewrite/reshoot issue?

 

[Chapter 2099]

This!

I **** you not Chap, at least those ******** brothers completed their grand vision of GR taking a piss of fire.

WOW. This is worse???? WOW.

Spirit is (to date) the ONLY Marvel movie I could not finish. I'm so sad that they screwed this movie over. Really wanted to see it, but think I might wait for Blu.

I literally have not read one good thing. I was so optimistic in the beginning, but the overall number of negative reviews are hard for me to refute.