Voorhees27
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Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Dare to compare body counts? The crusade into Jerusalem in 1099?
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Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? Dare to compare body counts? The crusade into Jerusalem in 1099?
ProgMatinee
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whats your point? that I should time travel and be hateful and worry about those things? that Islamic murderers today should get their shot since Christians did it 800 years ago? I don't think anyone is arguing that Christian murderers are holier than Islamic murderers.
I guarantee you that if America was as war torn and impoverished as many middle eastern countries you would see no difference in how Christians act. Many people in the middle east are in the clutch of desperation and scrupulous people are taking advantage of that.
Kabukiman
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No matter which God you're talking about, he certainly works in mysterious ways.
"...And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
Crazies are crazies, religion is just the lightning rod.
"...And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
Crazies are crazies, religion is just the lightning rod.
Voorhees27
Super Freak
Fine. You want current examples? How about 100,000+ Iraqi civilian deaths over the removal of one tirant? Oh and still no weapons of mass destruction.
Mesa
Super Freak
no comment on this topic, or I'm sure to offend someone. I'm disgusted at what occurred and very angry about the situation.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
and who exactly established America in a situation to where they were not war torn and impoverished? Judeo-Christian founders.
Who started the turn away from slavery to solidify America as a place where liberty and freedom are crucial. Christian abolitionists.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
how many died under said tyrant (who by the way was secular and killed people without blaming or crediting a god)?
Mesa
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I think it's really sad that the same forum members always derail a tragic event like this with pictues of inbreds and kittycats and whatever else.
Don't you guys take anything seriously? Or is it easier to just close your eyes, stick fingers in ears, say "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" and pretend everything is great. Or better yet, defend this piece of trash or the religion that motivated him towards these heinous acts.
Okay, I'm out now.
Continue posting your stupid gifs and pics and ignorant crap.
Don't you guys take anything seriously? Or is it easier to just close your eyes, stick fingers in ears, say "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" and pretend everything is great. Or better yet, defend this piece of trash or the religion that motivated him towards these heinous acts.
Okay, I'm out now.
Continue posting your stupid gifs and pics and ignorant crap.
Not sure what your point is. It was largely the Christian.. oops I mean Axis Powers... World War I spilling into their lands and oil politics which put them in the situation they are in today. Those "Christians" sure do get around.
This isn't about ideology or ethnicity, it is about the frail and pathetic nature of man, IMO.
devilof76
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For what it's worth, through the entire early history of monotheism, the belief was that evil comes to those who disobey God. It was the catch-all reason for misfortune on Earth. The perspective has roots that go all the way back to hunter-gatherer polytheism, but it becomes most obvious when things get stripped down to a single dominant deity.
To avoid this end, it became customary to protect an entire people/nation/empire by forcing all within to observe the laws of whichever deity the greater mass of people decided was the one to obey. Rome degenerated into Christianity. The Hebrews attempted repeatedly to establish a nation based on Hebraic law. Islam incorporated the political element directly into itself, and was a success story unheard of prior to Muhammad's teachings.
Every professional, educated Muslim I have ever asked has told me unequivocally that Muslims living in America do not recognize the Constitution as absolute, and they observe it only for pragmatic reasons. They have all stated with equal conviction that it is the responsibilty to any Muslim living under a law which is not Islamic to do what they can to subvert the standing legal situation, and replace it with Islam.
These are not radicals. These are lawyers, doctors, professors. You can see the effects of such efforts on full display in England, and as I understand, Dearborn, Michigan is an exceptional domestic example of the extent to which Islam has received legal recognition (something that Christianity is excoriated for regularly every holiday season).
So long as this point of view remains unchallenged (that Islam has a duty to propagate itself, and to dominate where it can) there are going to be individuals going to the most extreme lengths dictated by the Koran to establish the dominance of their identity in the midst of a contrary culture. Honor killings are clearly not a majority phenomenon in the U.S. However, there is one demographic that is winning in the race to see who can draw the most blood in the name of their faith against the infidel culture which we all know and love. It is never somethiing anyone sees coming ("he was always so quiet") but after almost 10 years of experiencing these attacks, it is very difficult to take the claim seriously that it had nothing to do with their religious views.
I'm not witch-hunting here. I do not blame Muslims for the actions of Muslims. I am simply asking why is it always Islam underlying the psychoses of these people?
To avoid this end, it became customary to protect an entire people/nation/empire by forcing all within to observe the laws of whichever deity the greater mass of people decided was the one to obey. Rome degenerated into Christianity. The Hebrews attempted repeatedly to establish a nation based on Hebraic law. Islam incorporated the political element directly into itself, and was a success story unheard of prior to Muhammad's teachings.
Every professional, educated Muslim I have ever asked has told me unequivocally that Muslims living in America do not recognize the Constitution as absolute, and they observe it only for pragmatic reasons. They have all stated with equal conviction that it is the responsibilty to any Muslim living under a law which is not Islamic to do what they can to subvert the standing legal situation, and replace it with Islam.
These are not radicals. These are lawyers, doctors, professors. You can see the effects of such efforts on full display in England, and as I understand, Dearborn, Michigan is an exceptional domestic example of the extent to which Islam has received legal recognition (something that Christianity is excoriated for regularly every holiday season).
So long as this point of view remains unchallenged (that Islam has a duty to propagate itself, and to dominate where it can) there are going to be individuals going to the most extreme lengths dictated by the Koran to establish the dominance of their identity in the midst of a contrary culture. Honor killings are clearly not a majority phenomenon in the U.S. However, there is one demographic that is winning in the race to see who can draw the most blood in the name of their faith against the infidel culture which we all know and love. It is never somethiing anyone sees coming ("he was always so quiet") but after almost 10 years of experiencing these attacks, it is very difficult to take the claim seriously that it had nothing to do with their religious views.
I'm not witch-hunting here. I do not blame Muslims for the actions of Muslims. I am simply asking why is it always Islam underlying the psychoses of these people?
I don't believe that for one second seeing as you were one of the biggest perpetrators of crap threads like this.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
its easier to deny deny deny that something is wrong than it is to place the blame.
same type of people that probably think illegal immigrants have nothing to do with California going bankrupt.
same type of people that probably think illegal immigrants have nothing to do with California going bankrupt.
devilof76
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And I said two in particular. I only see you giving credit to one.
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Yeah that happened, then christianity had its reformation.
Until Islam has its reformation it will continue to be hijacked by extremists with a jihad mentality. Pointing to past behavior
(literally hundreds of years ago) doesnt help the here and now nor should it be used to excuse evil being committed against innocents in the name of God by another religion.
Voorhees27
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So by your logic killing 100,000+ civilians is justified because some basterd in the middle east that had nothing to do with America or its people was murdering Kurdish people?
No offense but why should that concern you or your leaders?
Guess what 1000X worse happens in African countries where America still has no military force present.
devilof76
Super Freak
Far more Iraqi civilians have been killed by insurgents than by anything the U.S. and allied forces have done.
ProgMatinee
circlesendwheretheybegin
so glad we have people on the forum to come in and tell us what issues we shouldn't be talking about and yet at the same time arguing point for point on those issues.
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