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Yeah, the first Batman movie in this universe and they give him a son right from the off, but Superman is just starting out so they can't do any Super Sons stuff down the line. And this stuff is supposed to all connect together?!
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This all sounds absolutely awful. 
So...reboot in 2033 with the next guys? There's a reason why I read Year One, Long Halloween and Hush over and over, then watch filmmakers butcher them on the big screen.
I was hoping foolishly Gunn would announce an Arkham game series or something like Knightfall as a HBO Max series.
I was hoping foolishly Gunn would announce an Arkham game series or something like Knightfall as a HBO Max series.
I seriously doubt half the stuff on this list ever gets made.
Did anyone else notice the wording when referencing the Batman part 2? They said Pattinson and Reeves will return at least one more time for the sequel. That sounds as if they’re unsure if it’ll be a trilogy after all.
Did anyone else notice the wording when referencing the Batman part 2? They said Pattinson and Reeves will return at least one more time for the sequel. That sounds as if they’re unsure if it’ll be a trilogy after all.
Well I'll for sure watch Superman, Supergirl, Booster Gold, and Lanterns...assuming they don't drastically alter the characters by swapping their race/gender/sexual orientation. A True Detective style show with Hal and John sounds amazing. I gave up on the MCU after Endgame so I've been away from the genre long enough where I'm interested in some new superhero stuff. The Boys is the only thing I watch now...other than reruns of Superman: The Animated Series.
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Curious to see how he handles Supes. Other than that and BG, not much for me.
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THIS !!
I have absolutely no interest in any of this, however it will be fun to watch it fail I guess.
All they had to do was finish off a couple more movies to face off with Darkseid and it would have been a fitting ending to it all. Then they could have rebooted. I still blame Emmerich and Co cause they wasted so much time doing nothing. That arc could have easily been finished and I could be perhaps excited by something new.
But no, they're changing the channel in the middle of one movie and going to the cheap and cheerful channel.
As I said, it'll only be interesting to watch it fail and see the fanbase become "toxic" when they say they don't like what WB is doing.
He just called the new Flash movie one of the greatest superhero movies ever so I guess if that sucks then we shouldn't expect much.
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Batman Part 2 will probably be the only movie that'll make them any money after seeing that lot......
agreed! not thrilled about any of this at all to be honest.This all sounds absolutely awful.
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This has all the etchings of several years ago when they unveiled that huge board of "upcoming" projects that included everything from a solo cyborg to the GL Corp.
Give WB one misfire on Gunn's current lineup, and everything he's telling you today will either be cancelled or put on "hold".
Uninspiring. Until I see it and see it well, it means nothing. Every piece of content better be at least an 8.5 out of 10.
It can all burn as far as I'm concerned.
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I've said it before but I'm not much of a DCfan, so there's no emotional attachment for me here. If I like something, cool, if not, meh. Generally I'm past caring about capeflicks and I see them as a way to get the dollies I want, but with no emotional attachment, I'm not dropping 300-500$/figure willy-nilly. You get where I'm going with this. Now, all that said, there are parts of the DCU that I do like, and some of them are included here. Some years back I'd call myself a Batfan; now I'm so burned out that I don't care. I've only got the Morrison Omnis thus far, and even though I paid 100€ for the Captain Britain one, I still haven't bought the Dini Batman Omni. I'll have the entire MK collection before I get to buying more Batstuff. So to say that "I don't care", would be an understatement. However, if they are truly adapting the Morrison run, then I am a little bit intrigued to see how they do it. Not interested exactly, but curious. Moving on we've got Superman, which I could watch if it's more Sci-Fi and "sunny", but he's a character I don't much care about. More WW, SKWAD, Swamp-Thing; blahblahblah I don't care. I've already forgotten them. If ST gives me a comic accurate JonCon, I'll care then.
Which brings me to the two projects I actually am invested in, Lanterns and the Authority. The Authority and WildStorm in general are major nostalgia wells for me, and I've been dreaming about a big, epic, Bay-esque adaptation for literal decades. But I honestly can't see them pulling it off. CGI gets worse and worse, physical effects aren't used, and without the zeitgeist of the era, this simply can't work. The Authority was the anti-JL, the edgier Avengers (which inevitably gave birth to the Ultimates), and they were the response of the times to the superhero concept. Celebrity Culture, the impending milenium/Y2K, the Middle East wars, the "America F'Yeah" aesthetic that dominated the culture, all of those are key ingredients of the book. Which is why the more it kept going and strayed from its core, the more obscure it became. Gone was Hitch's WideScreen approach, gone was the 00s shine, gone was the "SuperPowered Paris Hilton" groove. You know what this will be? Another TSS with awful Gunn humor and shoddy CGI. Them even existing in the same world as Superman and the rest neuters them. I can't see it working. DC has been trying to push WS for years and it can't catch one because they can't replicate the 00s aesthetic. If it does work, good, I'm looking forward to it and the dollies. But I doubt it.
And last but no least, Green Lantern, my #1 DC property. I have to say, I'm worried. I like GL because it's a Space Opera. Granted, that might be because I got into it with the Johns run, and I know plenty of older timers hated it. "GL but True Detective" sounds good on paper, but them confirming that it's going to be a terrestrial mystery makes me think they're just looking to save on budget. Hal and John will wear normal clothes for 90% of the runtime, and then suit up in some shoddy, plasticky all-black get-up with a green lantern plastered on top with shoddy CGI. Well, at least we're getting both Hal and John. I was scared that they would drop Hal to push John, so there's that. I'm not expecting much, but maybe it'll turn out good and eventually the GL brand will move to the big screen.
All in all, pretty meh, but I've got one wildcard to keep an eye on and I'm getting a GL adaptation with Hal, so I'm rather satisfied. What I do wonder though is if they'll happen at all. They're aiming for 2025-2027 releases for all these. And I have to wonder why they have so much faith in them. The MCU might not be the juggernaut it was (thanks Feige...) but it's still the big thing around. 2025 will have the FF and Avengers 5, then in 2026 Avengers 6, chock full of every single "rememberry" that they can milk. Rumours that Tobey and Garfield will do more Spider-Men movies are ramping up. Holland-Man 4 will also be there somewhere. And that's ignoring the other MCU flicks and the fact that after SW they're going full steam ahead with the X-Men. I don't doubt that Superman and Batman have more of a recognition than the FF, but is DC really going to throw Superman against Avengers: No Way Home Edition Pt.1, and a Batman reboot within a year of the previous Batman reboot's sequel? Will Booster Gold go toe-to-toe with X-Men? I don't know. I'm not sure they thought this out very well. Green Lantern should've been their big space hook, Superman being a hit should've been their priority, and then... I don't know. Honestly, I'm not invested in this whole thing, so I can't be arsed to think about it.
I'd also like to tackle this:
“They make these movies where they don’t have third acts written,” he said. “And then they start writing them during [production], you know, making them up as they’re going along. And then you’re watching a bunch of people punch each other, and there’s no flow even to the action.”
Added Safran, “It’s bad movie fatigue.”
In order to avoid that issue, Gunn and Safran said they are aiming to diversify the kinds of stories they’re telling at DC Studios, taking a not-too-thinly-veiled swipe at a plot model familiar to fans of Marvel Studios.
“You can’t be telling the same ‘good guy, bad guy, giant thing in the sky, good guys win’ story again,” Gunn said. “You need to tell stories that are more morally complex. You need to tell stories that don’t just pretend to be different genres, but actually are different genres.”
Source: James Gunn, Peter Safran Vow to Put Screenwriting First to Fix the Once ‘F—ed Up’ DC Studios
To me taking a new position and trash-talking the place you worked at for a decade, before your final product is even out, is in very bad taste. We have Gunn here, a guy who can only make one movie, talking about the importance of different genres. Which I get, as I've complained about the MCU time and time again. But much as we hate Phase 4, they did try to branch out. Eternals was far slower and more grand, and people didn't respond. WandaVision, Loki and Moon Knight were more about the psychology of the MCs rather than the usual "good guy vs bad guy" plots. Did they work? Nah, I find them utter wastes of time. But to say that every single movie is "gud guy fight le bad gooy" is pure seething from Gunn. And he has no room to talk. He cast a pudgy, ugly kid as Adam Warlock, the literal personification of perfection, and in a recent interview went "oh we can't just cast, like, Tom Cruise, we need someone funny and talented who can pull off the emotional core". And guess wh- There's no need, you know it already. Warlock's not the philosophical space wanderer, he's a dumb manchild and "hilarity" ensues from him being a whiny baby in an adult's body. And *gasp*, he learns to "grow" throughout the film and yaddayaddayadda more Gunn cliches. I won't even get into how he butchered HE and the New Men. So to me, the guy who's been making the same thing for a decade, has no place to talk about diversifying genres. I wouldn't comment on it if he wasn't in the position he is now, but to say this right at this moment, as the new Top Guy, makes it come off as incredibly petty. I don't see someone wanting to make movies and set things right here, I see DC still scrambling and taking shots now that the MCU is faltering. This isn't bias, as pretty much 8/10 of my rants here are about the MCU. But I can't stand sniveling acts of smugness like this here. None of this makes me think that this is the guy who'll make Green Lantern a thing again. Hey, we all remember Ayer and his "**** Marvel", right? Gee, that went well for them... I don't do CompanyWars because I've got no stake in them. But I despise smug hypocritical ***** who can't back their talk. That bit alone turned me off the whole thing.
Oh, and as an endnote, the group he's gathered to act as "brains" includes Tom King. Tom King. Mr "waaaahhhh I bombed kids with drones and now all muh capestories have to be about it waaaaahhhh pay me money to read about muh PTSD over killing kids aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh did you know Batman tried to kill himself because he's got depression like mua?!". **** King and his hypocritical ramblings. People like him disgust me.
Whatever, I'll be waiting to see my Greens. Everything else can burn.
Which brings me to the two projects I actually am invested in, Lanterns and the Authority. The Authority and WildStorm in general are major nostalgia wells for me, and I've been dreaming about a big, epic, Bay-esque adaptation for literal decades. But I honestly can't see them pulling it off. CGI gets worse and worse, physical effects aren't used, and without the zeitgeist of the era, this simply can't work. The Authority was the anti-JL, the edgier Avengers (which inevitably gave birth to the Ultimates), and they were the response of the times to the superhero concept. Celebrity Culture, the impending milenium/Y2K, the Middle East wars, the "America F'Yeah" aesthetic that dominated the culture, all of those are key ingredients of the book. Which is why the more it kept going and strayed from its core, the more obscure it became. Gone was Hitch's WideScreen approach, gone was the 00s shine, gone was the "SuperPowered Paris Hilton" groove. You know what this will be? Another TSS with awful Gunn humor and shoddy CGI. Them even existing in the same world as Superman and the rest neuters them. I can't see it working. DC has been trying to push WS for years and it can't catch one because they can't replicate the 00s aesthetic. If it does work, good, I'm looking forward to it and the dollies. But I doubt it.
And last but no least, Green Lantern, my #1 DC property. I have to say, I'm worried. I like GL because it's a Space Opera. Granted, that might be because I got into it with the Johns run, and I know plenty of older timers hated it. "GL but True Detective" sounds good on paper, but them confirming that it's going to be a terrestrial mystery makes me think they're just looking to save on budget. Hal and John will wear normal clothes for 90% of the runtime, and then suit up in some shoddy, plasticky all-black get-up with a green lantern plastered on top with shoddy CGI. Well, at least we're getting both Hal and John. I was scared that they would drop Hal to push John, so there's that. I'm not expecting much, but maybe it'll turn out good and eventually the GL brand will move to the big screen.
All in all, pretty meh, but I've got one wildcard to keep an eye on and I'm getting a GL adaptation with Hal, so I'm rather satisfied. What I do wonder though is if they'll happen at all. They're aiming for 2025-2027 releases for all these. And I have to wonder why they have so much faith in them. The MCU might not be the juggernaut it was (thanks Feige...) but it's still the big thing around. 2025 will have the FF and Avengers 5, then in 2026 Avengers 6, chock full of every single "rememberry" that they can milk. Rumours that Tobey and Garfield will do more Spider-Men movies are ramping up. Holland-Man 4 will also be there somewhere. And that's ignoring the other MCU flicks and the fact that after SW they're going full steam ahead with the X-Men. I don't doubt that Superman and Batman have more of a recognition than the FF, but is DC really going to throw Superman against Avengers: No Way Home Edition Pt.1, and a Batman reboot within a year of the previous Batman reboot's sequel? Will Booster Gold go toe-to-toe with X-Men? I don't know. I'm not sure they thought this out very well. Green Lantern should've been their big space hook, Superman being a hit should've been their priority, and then... I don't know. Honestly, I'm not invested in this whole thing, so I can't be arsed to think about it.
I'd also like to tackle this:
“They make these movies where they don’t have third acts written,” he said. “And then they start writing them during [production], you know, making them up as they’re going along. And then you’re watching a bunch of people punch each other, and there’s no flow even to the action.”
Added Safran, “It’s bad movie fatigue.”
In order to avoid that issue, Gunn and Safran said they are aiming to diversify the kinds of stories they’re telling at DC Studios, taking a not-too-thinly-veiled swipe at a plot model familiar to fans of Marvel Studios.
“You can’t be telling the same ‘good guy, bad guy, giant thing in the sky, good guys win’ story again,” Gunn said. “You need to tell stories that are more morally complex. You need to tell stories that don’t just pretend to be different genres, but actually are different genres.”
Source: James Gunn, Peter Safran Vow to Put Screenwriting First to Fix the Once ‘F—ed Up’ DC Studios
To me taking a new position and trash-talking the place you worked at for a decade, before your final product is even out, is in very bad taste. We have Gunn here, a guy who can only make one movie, talking about the importance of different genres. Which I get, as I've complained about the MCU time and time again. But much as we hate Phase 4, they did try to branch out. Eternals was far slower and more grand, and people didn't respond. WandaVision, Loki and Moon Knight were more about the psychology of the MCs rather than the usual "good guy vs bad guy" plots. Did they work? Nah, I find them utter wastes of time. But to say that every single movie is "gud guy fight le bad gooy" is pure seething from Gunn. And he has no room to talk. He cast a pudgy, ugly kid as Adam Warlock, the literal personification of perfection, and in a recent interview went "oh we can't just cast, like, Tom Cruise, we need someone funny and talented who can pull off the emotional core". And guess wh- There's no need, you know it already. Warlock's not the philosophical space wanderer, he's a dumb manchild and "hilarity" ensues from him being a whiny baby in an adult's body. And *gasp*, he learns to "grow" throughout the film and yaddayaddayadda more Gunn cliches. I won't even get into how he butchered HE and the New Men. So to me, the guy who's been making the same thing for a decade, has no place to talk about diversifying genres. I wouldn't comment on it if he wasn't in the position he is now, but to say this right at this moment, as the new Top Guy, makes it come off as incredibly petty. I don't see someone wanting to make movies and set things right here, I see DC still scrambling and taking shots now that the MCU is faltering. This isn't bias, as pretty much 8/10 of my rants here are about the MCU. But I can't stand sniveling acts of smugness like this here. None of this makes me think that this is the guy who'll make Green Lantern a thing again. Hey, we all remember Ayer and his "**** Marvel", right? Gee, that went well for them... I don't do CompanyWars because I've got no stake in them. But I despise smug hypocritical ***** who can't back their talk. That bit alone turned me off the whole thing.
Oh, and as an endnote, the group he's gathered to act as "brains" includes Tom King. Tom King. Mr "waaaahhhh I bombed kids with drones and now all muh capestories have to be about it waaaaahhhh pay me money to read about muh PTSD over killing kids aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh did you know Batman tried to kill himself because he's got depression like mua?!". **** King and his hypocritical ramblings. People like him disgust me.
Whatever, I'll be waiting to see my Greens. Everything else can burn.
I think I'll just re-watch Batman and Robin.
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If Robin’s in a movie again, it’s the first time in nearly a quarter century he’s shown up in a live-action movie. That’s crazy to think about.
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Might be an unpopular opinion, but I'll pass on these Elsewords offerings. IMO, multiverse is a sloppy sidestep for consequence in a narrative (same with time travel, resurrections, etc.). Let's see how G&S can hold together an actual synced universe.
I also think that Gunn does a better job with the C-listers like Peacemaker/GotG and has more freedom to let people go nuts with them. For that reason Booster Gold and Creature Commandos sound interesting.
I also think that Gunn does a better job with the C-listers like Peacemaker/GotG and has more freedom to let people go nuts with them. For that reason Booster Gold and Creature Commandos sound interesting.
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