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Is Grey fabric rare? There is no way an extra cape and a layer of cloth is costing $20 more over the Hobbits and $25 more over Aragorn. Even factoring inflation. Sideshow has offically resorted to scalping their own items! :monkey1

Maybe you're making the scalping comment in jest, but I think thats a pretty bold statement, w/really no backing on your part. Do you know what it costs to make each part of this? Do you know the cost of factory production for each figure?
 
I really don't care about what people think he "should" cost; it seems most people just don't want to pay a few more dollars than they have done in the past. Oh well; I'm going to be more than happy with my Gandalf figure, and for a few extra dollars, my collection will be exceedingly beautiful, beyond that of those who miss out on this amazing figure! Even for me, a poor college kid, this figure is definitely worth the price!
 
When do you personally say that it's too much?
When I don't like the figure I say it's too much, but look at Gandalf. He looks good. Good enough for me. I don't like price rises either, but they never go down. Why do prices go up? Why have Sideshow always charged so little for their wonderful figures? It's questions like these that never get answered.

Times change. Sideshow used to have one price for all figures. Somewhere along the way they decided that each line would carry it's own weight. This policy now dictates that if you want the line to continue, this is the price you will pay. No guarantees though. That's business. People are loving it that Sideshow have developed their new body in consultation with Hot Toys. Everyone says Hot Toys are too expensive, which they are. Maybe Hot Toys have given Sideshow some consultation as to pricing. Yay to collaboration.

If I want a figure, any figure, I make a judgment on whether I want that character, if it looks like that character, if the costume looks good, if the paint is well done and lastly what the price is. If I want it bad enough I will pay the price. With Gandalf I looked at Toy Biz Gandalf and thought to myself, seeing as Toy Biz has the license this will be the only Gandalf we'll likely see, so I bought it. I was happy with the price because I compared it to the DiD one, which I thought was overpriced and only made it because they didn't have to pay likeness rights, and what the hell, I thought, I like magicians, wizards and the like, even if it doesn't look spot on. Now we have one that's spot on and still cheaper than what I remember DiD's being. The price has been stated. Put your money down or shop elsewhere.

I guess it all comes down to what your used to, what your perspective is, and how much you can afford. The only way prices go down is when competition is fierce, but when your main competitor is in cahoots with you.......whacko the chooks.
 
When I don't like the figure I say it's too much, but look at Gandalf. He looks good. Good enough for me. I don't like price rises either, but they never go down. Why do prices go up? Why have Sideshow always charged so little for their wonderful figures? It's questions like these that never get answered.

Times change. Sideshow used to have one price for all figures. Somewhere along the way they decided that each line would carry it's own weight. This policy now dictates that if you want the line to continue, this is the price you will pay. No guarantees though. That's business. People are loving it that Sideshow have developed their new body in consultation with Hot Toys. Everyone says Hot Toys are too expensive, which they are. Maybe Hot Toys have given Sideshow some consultation as to pricing. Yay to collaboration.

If I want a figure, any figure, I make a judgment on whether I want that character, if it looks like that character, if the costume looks good, if the paint is well done and lastly what the price is. If I want it bad enough I will pay the price. With Gandalf I looked at Toy Biz Gandalf and thought to myself, seeing as Toy Biz has the license this will be the only Gandalf we'll likely see, so I bought it. I was happy with the price because I compared it to the DiD one, which I thought was overpriced and only made it because they didn't have to pay likeness rights, and what the hell, I thought, I like magicians, wizards and the like, even if it doesn't look spot on. Now we have one that's spot on and still cheaper than what I remember DiD's being. The price has been stated. Put your money down or shop elsewhere.

I guess it all comes down to what your used to, what your perspective is, and how much you can afford. The only way prices go down is when competition is fierce, but when your main competitor is in cahoots with you.......whacko the chooks.


What he said! Well... all except that last few words... I don't have a clue what that means, so I better not endorse it! :rotfl
 
Maybe you're making the scalping comment in jest, but I think thats a pretty bold statement, w/really no backing on your part. Do you know what it costs to make each part of this? Do you know the cost of factory production for each figure?

Yes it was in jest, and of course I don't know the production costs. But WHY isn't Sideshow sharing that information? There is quite a few people here baffled by the price hike on Gandalf and we aren't getting answers. I just can't logically see how an extra layer of grey fabric = $20 more than Aragorn ($5 factored as inflation costs).

Indy has a TON of accessories, two headsculpts, multiple hands, AND a new body. I can see where his cost is. Indy is clearly a much better value.

I am truely excited to get Gandalf and I have been looking forward to him, but I just can't figure out why he is costing as much as Indy.
 
I am truely excited to get Gandalf and I have been looking forward to him, but I just can't figure out why he is costing as much as Indy.

Doesn't seem to be their style to do that. I will agree I had a bit of sticker shock seeing $90, I didn't expect that. But at the same time I can respect the craftsmanship and can spend the money feeling confident I'll never see a better one.

The same reasons I never bought the DiD or Toybiz versions. You can pretty easily get the DiD one for around $50 or less... but I wouldn't want to display him.
 
Doesn't seem to be their style to do that. I will agree I had a bit of sticker shock seeing $90, I didn't expect that. But at the same time I can respect the craftsmanship and can spend the money feeling confident I'll never see a better one.

The same reasons I never bought the DiD or Toybiz versions. You can pretty easily get the DiD one for around $50 or less... but I wouldn't want to display him.

I can understand where you are coming from, but let me bring this up:

Which Gandal's outfit is more intricate? GtW or GtG? I'd say Gandalf the White. Now looking at the PF, he is pretty much an average value for a PF, whereas GtG is one of the most expensive 12" figures produced by Sideshow and his outfit looks to be fairly plain. Same license. Same character(sorta). Differenet formats. Difference price ranges within those respected formats.
 
Yes it was in jest, and of course I don't know the production costs. But WHY isn't Sideshow sharing that information? There is quite a few people here baffled by the price hike on Gandalf and we aren't getting answers. I just can't logically see how an extra layer of grey fabric = $20 more than Aragorn ($5 factored as inflation costs).

Indy has a TON of accessories, two headsculpts, multiple hands, AND a new body. I can see where his cost is. Indy is clearly a much better value.

I am truely excited to get Gandalf and I have been looking forward to him, but I just can't figure out why he is costing as much as Indy.

Why do you feel so strong that Sideshow owes you an explanation? They a PRIVATE company. You are just a consumer, not a share holder and you dont sit on a board where Sideshow must gives a reason for everything they do.

They owe you nothing, period.
 
I actually have no idea? I too would probably guess GTW, but I don't know how PF's and 1/6 differ in their price scaling. Although if they do release GTW in 1/6 I don't care what he costs... I'm not buying :lol
 
Maybe Sir Ian, has a higher rights rates.

Whacko the chooks is just a down under expression. I'm not sure what it means either. :lol One of those terms that gets used for a few things, like, nothing you can do about it, or what can you do? nothing you can do, or it's crazy but that's the way it is or ahhh forged aboud id, I don't know. :lol
 
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Why do you feel so strong that Sideshow owes you an explanation? They a PRIVATE company. You are just a consumer, not a share holder and you dont sit on a board where Sideshow must gives a reason for everything they do.

They owe you nothing, period.

I'm just trying to get a sense of value here. Indy and Gandalf cost the same, but Indy seems to be a much better value. Why? I'm just going off of past LotR figures to gage Gandalf's value and it is too high. If he had the new body, I could buy that excuse. But since is is still on the Buck, his price seems way too high for what we are getting. Granted it is a fantastic figure, but unless we say something, prices can get out of hand. That is what the ebay boycott is all about right?

The only problem with Sideshow is if you boycott them, you just miss out on the figure period. :eek:
 
Why do you feel so strong that Sideshow owes you an explanation? They a PRIVATE company. You are just a consumer, not a share holder and you dont sit on a board where Sideshow must gives a reason for everything they do.

They owe you nothing, period.

As I've said before, they don't owe anybody anything. But it might be in their best interest to explain the price increase if it would make people feel better. It's really a PR issue.
 
Maybe Sir Ian, has a higher rights rates.

I would assume the actor's likenesses are part of the LotR license since we haven't gotten the "so and so don't want figures of themselves" like we do with some lines (Highlander comes to mind). Plus I don't think any of the Weta Gandalf items were any more expensive then the rest (for size, pose, etc).
 
Looks can be deceiving. The GtG costume is as intricate as any, particularly because they decided to use a pleated patter for the inner robe, and to stitch any kind of embroidery can be enourmously expensive, no matter how simple the fabric. From the tayloring point of view, embroidery is the most costly and time-consuming aspect of costume-making. If they had to create a unique pattern for the costume of every figure, I'm shocked this figure is as cheap as it is. That is a hugely expensive process. Having dealt with the process a lot, it's easy for me to see that as being the cause of his cost.

To say his costume is simple is, franky, incorrect. Big robes are NOT easy, as so many here believe. They are a massive challange to create so that they fall right and hang well, and they are hard to get right. Plus he has two robes to deal with. Costuming is almost certainly the reason for his cost. Those who say he's wearing "simple robes" have, unfortunately, been deceived into thinking that those are easy to create. Not true at all. Just the cost of embroidery is enourmous, and if they took the time and cost to include such a detail, then this figure is totally worth the cost!
 
As I've said before, they don't owe anybody anything. But it might be in their best interest to explain the price increase if it would make people feel better. It's really a PR issue.

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We aren't mindless drones. We deserve to be informed where our money is being put to. Remeber, Sideshow still has to earn our money.
 
Looks can be deceiving. The GtG costume is as intricate as any, particularly because they decided to use a pleated patter for the inner robe, and to stitch any kind of embroidery can be enourmously expensive, no matter how simple the fabric. From the tayloring point of view, embroidery is the most costly and time-consuming aspect of costume-making. If they had to create a unique pattern for the costume of every figure, I'm shocked this figure is as cheap as it is. That is a hugely expensive process. Having dealt with the process a lot, it's easy for me to see that as being the cause of his cost.

To say his costume is simple is, franky, incorrect. Big robes are NOT easy, as so many here believe. They are a massive challange to create so that they fall right and hang well, and they are hard to get right. Plus he has two robes to deal with. Costuming is almost certainly the reason for his cost. Those who say he's wearing "simple robes" have, unfortunately, been deceived into thinking that those are easy to create. Not true at all. Just the cost of embroidery is enourmous, and if they took the time and cost to include such a detail, then this figure is totally worth the cost!


Well then perhaps their problem is they are NOT showing us the embroidery. The big "overcoat" robes are hiding everything. A few "Balrog Battle" poses might help here. Part of perceived value, is SEEING what we are getting, not covering it up!
 
Well, the big overcoat is in and of itself a marvel. I was trying to create one earlier for a (now abandoned) custom, and it's a monster to create! The simple square design is absolutely terrible to sew since all it wants to do it stick out in all the wrong places. This figure is a tailoring wonder. I'm totally sold!
 
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